Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

gafferino · 21-09-2014 10:51AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Do you think we'll score 100 goals in the league again this season? Because we're well on our way to conceding 50 again.

No...given we don't have Suarez, given that was the first time we have ever done that and iirc only the 3rd team to ever do that, I don't think we will score 100 goals again.

#sackthemanager

Guy:Incognito · 21-09-2014 11:02AM

gafferino wrote: »

No...given we don't have Suarez, given that was the first time we have ever done that and iirc only the 3rd team to ever do that, I don't think we will score 100 goals again.

#sackthemanager

No one is saying they should be sacking rogers , but realistically, with the drop in goals scored(actually either way because conceding 50 goals isn't going to win you a league outside of a hail mary shot like last season where you score 100+) , conceding 50 just isn't acceptable.It needs addressing and January is too far away for buying a player to be the answer. By that stage the season could be completely written off on all fronts.

rob316 · 21-09-2014 11:11AM

I shudder at the thought of what ronaldo and Co will do to us with our defence. Ugly.

djPSB · 21-09-2014 11:14AM

Would there be any point in moving Gerrard back as a CB?

NabyLadistheman · 21-09-2014 11:15AM

I blame Borini. Square the ball to Moreno & it's 2 each ten minutes into the second half after playing appalingly

djPSB · 21-09-2014 11:15AM

rob316 wrote: »

I shudder at the thought of what ronaldo and Co will do to us with our defence. Ugly.

We'll probably concede less against Madrid than West Ham because we'll actually defend.

Soft Falling Rain · 21-09-2014 11:16AM

rob316 wrote: »

I shudder at the thought of what ronaldo and Co will do to us with our defence. Ugly.

Someone will see red in that game pretty quickly I fear if the concentration levels don't improve dramatically.

NabyLadistheman · 21-09-2014 11:16AM

djPSB wrote: »

Would there be any point in moving Gerrard back as a CB?

Maybe we could try him in goals!

T-K-O · 21-09-2014 11:17AM

rob316 wrote: »

I shudder at the thought of what ronaldo and Co will do to us with our defence. Ugly.

Sterling, Sturridge and co will have lots of chances in that game.

Yesterday was awful but with guys coming back it's not like we don't have options. The underlining problem (sadly) is Gerrard.

I don't want him dropped but he needs to be rested, IMO he's still very important to the team but he looked tired yesterday.

1 game a week for SG going forward , over to you BR

DVDM93 · 21-09-2014 11:20AM

Suarezistheman wrote: »

I blame Borini. Square the ball to Moreno & it's 2 each ten minutes into the second half after playing appalingly

Greedy Greedy
Fabio Borni

Greedy on the pitch, greedy off it :P

rossie1977 · 21-09-2014 11:22AM

CSF wrote: »

Realistically Rodgers future isn't something you should be considering as anything other than a given at this moment of time. He's 5 games since the most impressive season from Liverpool in my living memory.

rafa got liverpool to second on 86 points in 2009 (more points than they achieved last year) and he was gone a year later

club owners have already set their stall out. spurs have sacked 3 managers in just over a year for failing to reach the champions league, spurs nearly got 70 points last year and sherwood still lost his job. if liverpool finish 5th or lower i see no way rodgers is still in a job come september.

DVDM93 · 21-09-2014 11:24AM

Whatever about managing how to use Gerrard, can we please NEVER EVER EVER NOT EVEN ONCE EVEN IF WE HAVE TO BRING BACK CHARLIE ADAM NEVER EVER EVER AGAIN PLEASE !!!NEVER!!! start Lucas again. He had a one hit wonder with the song 'Let Her Go' but he is an absolute Passenger.

It would be of my honest opinion to sadly say that Lucas is finished.

Soft Falling Rain · 21-09-2014 11:24AM

I can accept strikers being greedy, they all have to be. But when you take on an impossible shot over a much better alternative that sh1t doesn't fly. Suarez used to rightfully bowl out Sturridge over the same thing.

Iused2likebusts · 21-09-2014 11:27AM

It seems I'm a lot calmer than most with sturridge back there will be a huge difference we miss his pace to stretch teams and create space. On the signings I'm pleased with Mario moreno and lallana. Teams are now man marking Gerrard so rodgers needs to find another way of getting the attack started which I'm sure he will.

Benimar · 21-09-2014 11:29AM

kfallon wrote: »

And Moreno, the left back, did?
It was because of him being so far forward that the gap between Sakho and Loveren was so big you could drive a bus thru it.
There were others at fault too alright but it was moronic to be practically our furthest player forward when trying to hold on to a 1-0 win.

Again, that could be more down to BR than Moreno but a bit of cop on is required too.

The gap between Lovren and Sakho would be the one Gerrard should have been closing.

We will never know if Moreno was told to push on. If not he shares the blame, but no matter what the instructions the DM is supposed to cover, and he didn't.

What surprised me towards the end was how out of position Gerrard was (inside West Hams half) while Henderson was dropping deep, essentially playing the DM role.

The Gerrard experiment at DM hasn't worked. There's plenty of blame to go round but we have conceded 35 goals in the 22 games he's played there. You can blame the keepers and defenders all you like, Gerrard has to take some of the blame.

Also, on a general point, why is it not possible for some people to take criticism of Gerrard for what it is, rather than see it as fans having a 'meltdown'.

Anyone who thinks Gerrard has been playing well has been watching a different player to me.

gafferino · 21-09-2014 11:30AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

No one is saying they should be sacking rogers , but realistically, with the drop in goals scored(actually either way because conceding 50 goals isn't going to win you a league outside of a hail mary shot like last season where you score 100+) , conceding 50 just isn't acceptable.It needs addressing and January is too far away for buying a player to be the answer. By that stage the season could be completely written off on all fronts.

Of course it needs addressing. No doubt there and Rodgers comments yesterday were pretty scathing..... And rightly so. There's plenty of people in here ready with the knives out don't worry.

Guy:Incognito · 21-09-2014 11:31AM

Benimar wrote: »

We will never know if Moreno was told to push on. If not he shares the blame, but no matter what the instructions the DM is supposed to cover, and he didn't..

But we'll give him the benefit and hang Gerrard? How do you know Gerrard wasn't told to push?

Benimar wrote: »

The Gerrard experiment at DM hasn't worked. There's plenty of blame to go round but we have conceded 35 goals in the 22 games he's played there. You can blame the keepers and defenders all you like, Gerrard has to take some of the blame.

.

Give him some of the blame, that's fine. The whole team shares it. The 3 goals yesterday were simple enough defensive errors, by the defenders. Mingolet shouldn't be getting caught by that cross either. Even if it went to the player free at the back post like it was meant to it was sailing over his head.

Gbear · 21-09-2014 11:45AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

But we'll give him the benefit and hang Gerrard? How do you know Gerrard wasn't told to push?

Whether or not he was, Amalfitano strolled past him about 5 seconds before he scored the goal.

If he can't track back in the 90th minute then he shouldn't still be on the pitch.

Guy:Incognito · 21-09-2014 11:53AM

Gbear wrote: »

Whether or not he was, Amalfitano strolled past him about 5 seconds before he scored the goal.

If he can't track back in the 90th minute then he shouldn't still be on the pitch.

No body runs by Gerrard. The player that wins the ball passes it forward and ends up still behind Gerrard when the goal is scored. The player tha receives it had a couple of players around him, so not Gerrards man either.

The goalscorer (Abalo) comes from a wide left position up from the bottom of the screen about 40 yards from Gerrard.

Either way, if not for Mingolets rush of blood imo there isn't a goal to discuss.

Gbear · 21-09-2014 12:03PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

No body runs by Gerrard. The player that wins the ball passes it forward and ends up still behind Gerrard when the goal is scored. The player tha receives it had a couple of players around him, so not Gerrards man either.

The goalscorer (Abalo) comes from a wide left position up from the bottom of the screen about 40 yards from Gerrard.

My bad, I thought you were talking about the West Ham game.

Gerrard had vacated the centre of the pitch and as he was making his way back towards goal, Amalfitano strolls past him. He doesn't track the run and Downing can slide the ball to him fairly easily.

Mind you, it was a clever finish, to squeeze it through before Skrtel could block him and before Mignolet could set himself.

Benimar · 21-09-2014 12:05PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

But we'll give him the benefit and hang Gerrard? How do you know Gerrard wasn't told to push?

Give him some of the blame, that's fine. The whole team shares it. The 3 goals yesterday were simple enough defensive errors, by the defenders. Mingolet shouldn't be getting caught by that cross either. Even if it went to the player free at the back post like it was meant to it was sailing over his head.

Because DMs usually aren't asked to push, while full backs often are. I also didn't 'hang Gerrard', if anything I said Moreno should share the blame, but Gerrard can't avoid all blame.

My post is all about giving him some of the blame, my issue is with those who pass the share that belongs to him onto others.

If the players name was Paddy Murphy and not Steven Gerrard his level of performance in his current role would have everyone on here wanting him dropped.

He has been a great player for Liverpool, but he shouldn't be in the team if he is being 'accommodated' which I believe he is being.

Kerrigooney · 21-09-2014 12:14PM

Thought I'd sleep on it to calm down...hasn't worked. Yesterday was a disgrace that once the team was revealed practically everyone saw coming. Except Rodgers. Baffling.

Gerrard is never gonna be dropped for next weeks game against Everton but if he starts on Tues then serious questions need to be asked.

Also...I'm not one to jump on players too quickly,they need time to adapt etc. but I'm done with Mignolet...he's getting worse not better. That doesn't mean we weren't right to sell Reina either...he'd gone to **** as well. I'm not a huge fan of Valdes but I'd prefer anyone to Mignolet at this stage.

None of our defenders look good. Not 1 of them. Very worrying. I'm not talking about their organization either,although that's shocking a lot of the time,it's the fact all of them look capable of making stupid mistakes at any time.

I said last week I wasn't panicking yet but yesterday was very worrying and if Everton beat us next week there'll be a **** storm and rightfully so.

Guy:Incognito · 21-09-2014 12:17PM

Gbear wrote: »

Mind you, it was a clever finish, to squeeze it through before Skrtel could block him and before Mignolet could set himself.

No body was expecting the header from Sakho , that's what started it. If Gerrard had have done that he'd have been lambasted.

He could have done better but he made the choice to try cut the through ball out out and missed.
It was bad defending from Skrtel. Watch it. The ball is picked up in the centre circle, miles from goal. Theres no threat through the middle because there are players there. Skrtel is furthest back with his back to goal so he can see everything. As soon as The player is level with Gerrard the only option for Downing is to slide it through so Skrtel needs to be on his toes. Its never going through the middle to where he is so hes essentially redundant there anyway.

At that stage it was 3 at the back iirc so Skrtel is far too central for someone whos 2 other centre halves are to the left of him. The 3 centre halves are all on the left hand side of the pitch with no cover on the right.

Mr Alan · 21-09-2014 12:19PM

A loss to Everton next week & the pressure will really start to mount

Vicxas · 21-09-2014 12:20PM

Internet is blaming Gerrard.

Who are we blaming now.

T-K-O · 21-09-2014 12:22PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Internet is blaming Gerrard.

Who are we blaming now.

Transfer policy.

We need to implement a new galacticos policy

Guy:Incognito · 21-09-2014 12:25PM

Benimar wrote: »

Because DMs usually aren't asked to push, while full backs often are. I also didn't 'hang Gerrard', if anything I said Moreno should share the blame, but Gerrard can't avoid all blame.

My post is all about giving him some of the blame, my issue is with those who pass the share that belongs to him onto others.

If the players name was Paddy Murphy and not Steven Gerrard his level of performance in his current role would have everyone on here wanting him dropped.

He has been a great player for Liverpool, but he shouldn't be in the team if he is being 'accommodated' which I believe he is being.

The Ludogorets goal is the type of incident that passes off 2 or 3 times a match without comment because the player ends up running it off in to the corner or taking a silly shot that goes no where. The turning point in that one was Mingolet. Theres plenty of outfield cover and the striker is being pushed out to the corner of the box where it needs to be that shot of the season type that curls a huge amount to have any hope of going in. Keeper comes out though and sells himself leaving the goal gaping.

Crash Bang Wall · 21-09-2014 12:26PM

3 mins left, chasing the game.
Sakho had to keep the ball in play, problem was there was no LFC player in the middle of the field, and no sign of anyone bursting a gut to get back either.

We deserved nothing out of that game. Comedy Central at the back, and the keeper is truly awful at present. If Gerrard is doing this playmaker role he needs some sort of protection, with Hendo Allen Can or Lucas tasked with the job of sitting in front of the back 4 and Gerrard to make the play 10 yards further forward

Guy:Incognito · 21-09-2014 12:26PM

T-K-O wrote: »

Transfer policy.

We need to implement a new galacticos policy

Cheeky bid for that Uruguayan lad Barce signed maybe? I hear he can be volatile so maybe he'll **** up and Rogers can be the man to tame him.:)

YouTookMyName · 21-09-2014 12:32PM

It's the fúckin midfields fault.

Lucas-Allen-Henderson.

The midfield 3.

Keep pressing ala spurs last season, By delaying quick progress of the opposition attack, by preventing penetration behind the midfield line, by allowing the defensive line to remain compact and in communication, by tracking runs into the area and negating marking dilemmas for the centrebacks, by offering cover to pressuring fullbacks. It's really that simple.

Matuidi + Cabaye + Pogba = The Mamadou Sakho That Eats Diego Costa for Lunch (with some cinnamon-sprinkled David Silva on the side)

Wanyama + Schneiderlin + Lallana = The Dejan Lovren That Ensured Southampton Was the Only Traditionally "Small" Club to Have a Positive Goal Differential Last Season

Sahko + lovern are good players, we know this. Just this system is making them look like cúnts.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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