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Beef in Crisis

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  • #572
    Abfg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 ✭Abfg


    Damo810 wrote: »
    So where has the threat of levies stopped the IFA doing something? Are they not the only ones protesting across the country?

    How do you suggest they collect levies? Should everyone just pay a flat rate or do you think everyone should be at it for free?

    It's a total conflict of interest, how can they mount a proper campaign against Larry when he is supplying a main source of income to the organisation.


  • #573
    Damo810
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Damo810


    Abfg wrote: »
    It's a total conflict of interest, how can they mount a proper campaign against Larry when he is supplying a main source of income to the organisation.

    Such a conflict of interest, yet you cannot show an instance where it has stopped them doing something...

    What do you mean by 'proper campaign'? What would your course of action be against Goodman and co.


  • #574
    on the river
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭on the river


    Abfg wrote: »
    It's a total conflict of interest, how can they mount a proper campaign against Larry when he is supplying a main source of income to the organisation.

    I agree it's all or nothing.
    Big and small farmers must support each other against the factories. Otherwise a civil conflict will erupt within farming circles which will weaken farming lobby groups


  • #575
    Abfg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 ✭Abfg


    Damo810 wrote: »
    Such a conflict of interest, yet you cannot show an instance where it has stopped them doing something...

    What do you mean by 'proper campaign'? What would your course of action be against Goodman and co.

    "Stop them doing something" what planet have you been on the last few years your obviously not trying to farm in the west of Ireland. The majority of farmers over here are living below the poverty line!!!!
    The first step is to take their hands out of Larry's pocket!!!!!!!Farmers wont unite behind the setup the way it is!!!!!!!!!!


  • #576
    Damo810
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Damo810


    Abfg wrote: »
    "Stop them doing something" what planet have you been on the last few years your obviously not trying to farm in the west of Ireland. The majority of farmers over here are living below the poverty line!!!!
    The first step is to take their hands out of Larry's pocket!!!!!!!Farmers wont unite behind the setup the way it is!!!!!!!!!!

    Actually I'm from Mayo. Farmers won't unite behind anything, thats the reason we're in this dam mess. The fact their levies are collected from factories isn't the reason they own't agree on simple bloody things.

    you haven't answered any of my questions though.


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  • #577
    Abfg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 ✭Abfg


    As mentioned earlier in this thread" you can't win a fight without taking some pain. " it's time for the IFA to take the pain!!!!
    It's time for you to answer the question should they be taking money off Larry. yes or no please !!!!!


  • #578
    Damo810
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Damo810


    Abfg wrote: »
    As mentioned earlier in this thread" you can't win a fight without taking some pain. " it's time for the IFA to take the pain!!!!
    It's time for you to answer the question should they be taking money off Larry. yes or no please !!!!!

    So you just don't bother to answer any of my questions, but I should answer yours?

    You seem to think the IFA could operate with any funding, say what? I have no problem with the factories collecting the levy which comes from farmers, not Larry Goodman as you seem to think, as long as it doesn't influence the IFA's decisions, which by you avoidance of my questions, it obviously hasn't.


  • #579
    on the river
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭on the river


    Abfg wrote: »
    As mentioned earlier in this thread" you can't win a fight without taking some pain. " it's time for the IFA to take the pain!!!!
    It's time for you to answer the question should they be taking money off Larry. yes or no please !!!!!

    NO NO NO.
    It's past time the farmers in the west took a stand.
    It's time for the larrys of this world to unite behind a common purpose.
    It's time that farmer got a fair price for their livestock.
    It's time factories genuinely discussed openly these problems and draw up a fair agreement.


  • #580
    on the river
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭on the river


    Abfg wrote: »
    "Stop them doing something" what planet have you been on the last few years your obviously not trying to farm in the west of Ireland. The majority of farmers over here are living below the poverty line!!!!
    The first step is to take their hands out of Larry's pocket!!!!!!!Farmers wont unite behind the setup the way it is!!!!!!!!!!

    The set up the way it is!!! Is getting us no where.
    The bottom line still stands if the big farmer is happy then the IFA our happy

    I think the amount of funding farmers pay in to the IFA through levies and membership is total waste especially presently .


  • #581
    Damo810
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Damo810


    on the river wrote: »
    NO NO NO.
    It's past time the farmers in the west took a stand.
    It's time for the larrys of this world to unite behind a common purpose.
    It's time that farmer got a fair price for their livestock.
    It's time factories genuinely discussed openly these problems and draw up a fair agreement.

    Only way we will ever get anything near a fair agreement is if we stand together and play them at their own game.

    It's a pity all the uproar about the IFA and factories in here and outside of here isn't being put into action directly towards getting a better beef price :rolleyes:


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  • #582
    on the river
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭on the river


    Damo810 wrote: »
    Only way we will ever get anything near a fair agreement is if we stand together and play them at their own game.

    It's a pity all the uproar about the IFA and factories in here and outside of here isn't being put into action directly towards getting a better beef price :rolleyes:

    Look everyone wants a fair price for their produce.
    As things stand many small farmers are barely breaking even.
    Presently the time of rearing a animal does not justify the cost added to poor prices.


  • #583
    Abfg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 ✭Abfg


    You seem to think the IFA could operate with any funding, say what? I have no problem with the factories collecting the levy which comes from farmers, not Larry Goodman as you seem to think, as long as it doesn't influence the IFA's decisions, which by you avoidance of my questions, it obviously hasn't.

    That is exactly the problem all your worried about is funding the organisation and f##k the farmer that they are supposed to be representing. No wonder your membership is falling off a cliff.


  • #584
    Roundbale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭Roundbale


    Damo810 wrote: »
    So you just don't bother to answer any of my questions, but I should answer yours?

    You seem to think the IFA could operate with any funding, say what? I have no problem with the factories collecting the levy which comes from farmers, not Larry Goodman as you seem to think, as long as it doesn't influence the IFA's decisions, which by you avoidance of my questions, it obviously hasn't.

    It has. Happened about ten years ago that the Larry stopped collecting the levy for them, due to protests. After a few weeks they crawled on their bellies to collect it again and protest was over.


  • #585
    Damo810
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Damo810


    Roundbale wrote: »
    It has. Happened about ten years ago that the Larry stopped collecting the levy for them, due to protests. After a few weeks they crawled on their bellies to collect it again and protest was over.

    They were threatened with a 500K a day fine...


  • #586
    Damo810
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Damo810


    Abfg wrote: »
    You seem to think the IFA could operate with any funding, say what? I have no problem with the factories collecting the levy which comes from farmers, not Larry Goodman as you seem to think, as long as it doesn't influence the IFA's decisions, which by you avoidance of my questions, it obviously hasn't.

    That is exactly the problem all your worried about is funding the organisation and f##k the farmer that they are supposed to be representing. No wonder your membership is falling off a cliff.

    Where have I said that? I said they cannot run without the funding, nowhere have I said **** the farmer, they are the only ones trying to do something for the farmers yet all you do is criticise, criticise, criticise. Nothing will change with an attitude like that.

    As for your last sentence, "No wonder your membership is falling off a cliff" I'm not affiliated with the IFA, you seem to be confusing me with Rangler..

    Now please, go back and answer the questions put to you..


  • #587
    Damo810
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Damo810


    on the river wrote: »
    Look everyone wants a fair price for their produce.
    As things stand many small farmers are barely breaking even.
    Presently the time of rearing a animal does not justify the cost added to poor prices.

    Of course, I completely agree, for the last number of years I've always said to those in charge here to push numbers, build up stock value, be productive etc, this year, in all honesty I'd have to say the opposite, keep as little stock as you can, collect your payments and financially you'll be better off, less worries. It's a crying shame and that is why things must change.

    I agree with your post, I just think we need to stick together or we'll continue to get rode by Larry and co..


  • #588
    Abfg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 ✭Abfg


    Roundbale wrote: »
    It has. Happened about ten years ago that the Larry stopped collecting the levy for them, due to protests. After a few weeks they crawled on their bellies to collect it again and protest was over.

    Just as I said at the start they will never take their hand out of Larry's pocket and stand with the farmers, they have'nt the balls!!! Some shower of clowns to be representing anyone!!!!


  • #589
    theaceofspies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭theaceofspies


    Abfg wrote: »
    Just as I said at the start they will never take their hand out of Larry's pocket and stand with the farmers, they have'nt the balls!!! Some shower of clowns to be representing anyone!!!!

    The IFA are collecting some money on levies if the beef kill is at the 'max'. Anyone have access to their annual reports? would love to know what all the levies are been spent on


  • #590
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    If there's any crowd worse than the Black and Tans lads it the feckin IFA!


  • #591
    theaceofspies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭theaceofspies


    Willfarman wrote: »
    If there's any crowd worse than the Black and Tans lads it the feckin IFA!

    Oh theres goes a red herring:pac:. Thought it was a very reasonable question considering the IFA presents itself as the largest farming organisation in a country that has manifested Harvert 2020 'going forward'. Maybe someone is afraid they'll get found out?????? There seems to be a lot of pigeon shooters out there when it comes to asking intelligent questions as to what is really going on behind the scenes in Irish agriculture.


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  • #592
    sandydan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭sandydan


    Damo810 wrote: »
    They were threatened with a 500K a day fine...
    who took the court action based on farmers trying to get a basic price at time and labelled it as trying to establish a beef price cartel and activly trying to promote anti-competitive practices ,imo the competition authority based on IFA encouraging farmers to blockade factories ,orders carried out by the courts ,with heaps of pr supplied by factories.
    my opinion as already stated is its a PR battle and at minute its 50/50, but factories are getting worst of pr so imo some badly thought out plan might backfire to our detriment and lads tearing each other apart is really the pits


  • #593
    Abfg
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 ✭Abfg


    Willfarman wrote: »
    If there's any crowd worse than the Black and Tans lads it the feckin IFA!

    At least we knew what the black and tans were here to do!!!!!!


  • #594
    Username John
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,237 ✭✭✭Username John


    Willfarman wrote: »
    If there's any crowd worse than the Black and Tans lads it the feckin IFA!
    Abfg wrote: »
    At least we knew what the black and tans were here to do!!!!!!

    Tis easy to know ye have little hardship if they are the comparisons ye are making...
    FFS...


  • #595
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    Just a thought,

    Would a big protest/rally at this years ploughing match be any good???

    Thousands of people over three days, plenty of cameras and non farming people to.

    Plenty of farmers go to it so it should be easy to get support & educate people as to what is happening.

    If we can't organise sumthing there, well we couldn't get a ride in a Hure house.


  • #596
    Base price
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,769 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Mad4simmental wrote: »
    Just a thought,

    Would a big protest/rally at this years ploughing match be any good???

    Thousands of people over three days, plenty of cameras and non farming people to.

    Plenty of farmers go to it so it should be easy to get support & educate people as to what is happening.

    If we can't organise sumthing there, well we couldn't get a ride in a Hure house.
    Sounds like a good idea to me. I presume that the NPA would not have an issue with it.


  • #597
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Mad4simmental wrote: »
    Just a thought,

    Would a big protest/rally at this years ploughing match be any good???

    Thousands of people over three days, plenty of cameras and non farming people to.

    Plenty of farmers go to it so it should be easy to get support & educate people as to what is happening.

    If we can't organise sumthing there, well we couldn't get a ride in a Hure house.


    I think whelan2 hit the nail on the head...it is a simple supply and demand issue....something like 90% of beef is exported...therefore the factories can kinda do what they want to a certain extent....it all depends a huge extent on goodwill from factories to pay a good price and by the type of capatilism preferred/promoted in Ireland...it is inevitable they will screw people who have no other but to sell tere animals to them....by buying the cheapest meat possible from abroad and forcing irish prices down to that level


    whelan2 wrote: »
    the big problem is an over supply of beef, 37 pages into this thread and no one has addressed this. Until the numbers of beef cattle are lowered there will still be the same problem.... no use blaming factories, farming orgainisations or government....


  • #598
    rushvalley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭rushvalley


    While the recent protests are helping us and I hope they achieve results is having a handful of tractors worth 30/40k each at a protest about beef farmers a bit hypocritical?

    Just a thought I had, not having a go at anyone


  • #599
    Roundbale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 57 ✭✭Roundbale


    Damo810 wrote: »
    They were threatened with a 500K a day fine...

    He was a lovely Judge alright.


  • #600
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    I think whelan2 hit the nail on the head...it is a simple supply and demand issue....something like 90% of beef is exported...therefore the factories can kinda do what they want to a certain extentl

    Completely agree with you, but we should be getting a bigger slice of the pie.


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  • #601
    sandydan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭sandydan


    rushvalley wrote: »
    While the recent protests are helping us and I hope they achieve results is having a handful of tractors worth 30/40k each at a protest about beef farmers a bit hypocritical?

    Just a thought I had, not having a go at anyone

    an individual critical of farmers remarked on that in shop yesterday,someone retorted they were there to show bank managers they were not being misused.


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