Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

LuckyLloyd · 06-09-2014 12:37PM

kfallon wrote: »

I think the new international Breaks are a good thing, staggering the games from Wed thru to following Tues. The problem we all had was that the domestic leagues would finish on the Sunday and there would be no football on TV til the following Friday. Nothing again til Tues after. It's just boring, at least now there are games on most days (but not today ) to keep us occupied and give us our football 'fix'

Totally agree, great change by UEFA

Utopia Parkway · 06-09-2014 12:43PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

What are they? When I say conspiracy I'm talking about people mentioning that the Arsenal players didn't have to play the full 90.

Hodgson said last year he wanted to test Sturridge's "resolve" when he was carrying a slight knock on England duty. Think he played him in the following game and promptly made the injury worse.

At least that's my vague recollection of it.

Will I Amnt · 06-09-2014 12:50PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Hodgson said last year he wanted to test Sturridge's "resolve" when he was carrying a slight knock on England duty. Think he played him in the following game and promptly made the injury worse.

At least that's my vague recollection of it.

Was he carrying an injury into the Norway game?

NukaCola · 06-09-2014 01:04PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

What are they? When I say conspiracy I'm talking about people mentioning that the Arsenal players didn't have to play the full 90.

Who said that the Arsenal players did not have to play the full 90?

daingeanrob · 06-09-2014 01:06PM

not sure if old news, but apparently we did bid for shaquiri in the summer

http://www.setanta.com/ie/shaqiri-liverpool-wanted-to-sign-me/

Will I Amnt · 06-09-2014 01:11PM

NukaCola wrote: »

Who said that the Arsenal players did not have to play the full 90?

It was mentioned earlier that the Liverpool players were left on and the Arsenal players taken off early. Someone else said something about it being a "coincidence" that it's the Liverpool players who get overworked.
All seems a bit tinfoil hat stuff to me.

Fescue · 06-09-2014 01:19PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

It was mentioned earlier that the Liverpool players were left on and the Arsenal players taken off early. Someone else said something about it being a "coincidence" that it's the Liverpool players who get overworked.
All seems a bit tinfoil hat stuff to me.

Hodgson's attempt to "test his resove" is probably at the heart of a lot of this.

The fact is Sturridge is injury prone. I'm sure Liverpool are better at managing that than England, which is only natural as they work with him full time.

The signing of Balotelli was hugely significant.

It will be interesting to see Liverpool playing with Balotelli up top.

NukaCola · 06-09-2014 01:23PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

It was mentioned earlier that the Liverpool players were left on and the Arsenal players taken off early. Someone else said something about it being a "coincidence" that it's the Liverpool players who get overworked.
All seems a bit tinfoil hat stuff to me.

I said

NukaCola wrote: »

Obviously not Hodgsons fault but he did play him for 89 mins in a meaningless friendly as well as playing Sterling and Henderson for the full game. Whereas the Arsenal players involved were both taken off at around the hour mark.

Not saying he's taken care of certain clubs players better or anything like that but i do think we have a legitimate reason to have a moan.

I was trying to point out that taking important players off at half time and around the hour mark seems sensible in meaningless friendlys. I realise Hodgson probably wanted to see more of the Liverpool players involved but i dont think its moaning for no reason. No conspiracy theory was implied

Soft Falling Rain · 06-09-2014 01:24PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Did he run him into the ground? Or did he just play him a full 90 minutes like they train for and are employed to do?
When Rodgers is playing him on a Wednesday night and the following Saturday will you be complaining about him?
It's crazy the amount of blame being slung Hodgson's way here, even bordering on conspiracy with some people.

If it happens in a competitive game so be it, but why needlessly take that risk in a game that means nothing? Simply because the England manager doesn't have to worry about the immediate aftermath.

NukaCola · 06-09-2014 01:24PM

Fescue wrote: »

It will be interesting to see Liverpool playing with Balotelli up top.

Heads will be kicked

Will I Amnt · 06-09-2014 01:34PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

If it happens in a competitive game so be it, but why needlessly take that risk in a game that means nothing? Simply because the England manager doesn't have to worry about the immediate aftermath.

Robin van Persie would probably be considered more injury prone than Sturridge, he was taken off with a few minutes to go the other night too. It's part and parcel of football, the international managers want to see their players in their teams as much as the clubs do. If Sturridge didn't feel up to playing the full game he could have signalled to the bench that he needed to come off or mentioned before the game he could only do so many minutes. He would not have been forced against his will to play for so long. I just think it's bizarre to pin all the blame on Hodgson, no doubt a lot of it has to do with his history with Liverpool.

MD1990 · 06-09-2014 01:45PM

The reason the Liverpool players were not took off vs Norway is simple. They are England's best players & even though it was only a friendly they needed a win for confidence ahead of there qualifler.

Soft Falling Rain · 06-09-2014 01:46PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Robin van Persie would probably be considered more injury prone than Sturridge, he was taken off with a few minutes to go the other night too. It's part and parcel of football, the international managers want to see their players in their teams as much as the clubs do. If Sturridge didn't feel up to playing the full game he could have signalled to the bench that he needed to come off or mentioned before the game he could only do so many minutes. He would not have been forced against his will to play for so long. I just think it's bizarre to pin all the blame on Hodgson, no doubt a lot of it has to do with his history with Liverpool.

Most players need the decision taken out of their hands because quite simply they don't like to admit to weakness. Especially in the case of players like Sturridge who have been given the honour of leading the line for their country, he doesn't want to lose that and will play on regardless of niggles he might feel.

That's what the coach is there for though, to make those calls for him and manage him correctly.

The irony, btw, is not lost on me here when Utd fans were crying last season about Moyes' training sessions destroying RVP's season.

Iused2likebusts · 06-09-2014 01:54PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Robin van Persie would probably be considered more injury prone than Sturridge, he was taken off with a few minutes to go the other night too. It's part and parcel of football, the international managers want to see their players in their teams as much as the clubs do. If Sturridge didn't feel up to playing the full game he could have signalled to the bench that he needed to come off or mentioned before the game he could only do so many minutes. He would not have been forced against his will to play for so long. I just think it's bizarre to pin all the blame on Hodgson, no doubt a lot of it has to do with his history with Liverpool.

Sturridge has played 90 mins in all 3 games. RVP is working his way back to fitness after an extended world cup break and was probably welcome of the longer run out.

slingerz · 06-09-2014 02:03PM

Lucky Borini stayed ain't it!!

Fescue · 06-09-2014 02:08PM

slingerz wrote: »

Lucky Borini stayed ain't it!!

Don't see him making the bench in the next number of games.

8-10 · 06-09-2014 02:34PM

Fescue wrote: »

Don't see him making the bench in the next number of games.

Agree with this. I think I'm against the majority in this forum, I don't want Borini starting. Lambert should be up front with Balo now. We've enough supporting attacking midfielders if we switch to 1 up front, either of those strikers could play with 2 attackers in support. (Sterling, Markovic, Coutinho, Lallana mainly)

Time will tell but I don't see Borini making much of an impact this season.

Will I Amnt · 06-09-2014 02:44PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

The irony, btw, is not lost on me here when Utd fans were crying last season about Moyes' training sessions destroying RVP's season.

There were some drama queens moaning about it based on an article by some Dutch journo, there was nothing concrete in those rumours, coincidentally he has levelled similar accusations at van Gaal already IIRC, most likely both were BS. I think this situation kind of mirrors that in a way. There's always a fall guy, Moyes for United fans and Hodgson for Liverpool fans.

Will I Amnt · 06-09-2014 02:50PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Sturridge has played 90 mins in all 3 games. RVP is working his way back to fitness after an extended world cup break and was probably welcome of the longer run out.

It was a friendly and from the bits I seen, not very exerting for anybody. Will you expect Sturridge to miss a Champions League or important league game if there's only a few days between them?
It's easy to criticise after an injury is picked up, if he scored a hat-trick and came through unscathed there wouldn't be a mention of the minutes he had to play.

Augmerson · 06-09-2014 03:04PM

Is there no Man U thread Will? :pac::p

Iused2likebusts · 06-09-2014 03:16PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

It was a friendly and from the bits I seen, not very exerting for anybody. Will you expect Sturridge to miss a Champions League or important league game if there's only a few days between them?
It's easy to criticise after an injury is picked up, if he scored a hat-trick and came through unscathed there wouldn't be a mention of the minutes he had to play.

I haven't criticised anybody just pointing out that RVP needed the run out more than Sturridge. Hodgson has suffered here as well as he has lost arguably his best striker for their toughest group game. Maybe next time Hodgson might consider that Sturridge is quite injury prone and that way both club and country will benefit.

Will I Amnt · 06-09-2014 03:22PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I haven't criticised anybody just pointing out that RVP needed the run out more than Sturridge. Hodgson has suffered here as well as he has lost arguably his best striker for their toughest group game. Maybe next time Hodgson might consider that Sturridge is quite injury prone and that way both club and country will benefit.

I wasn't inferring you did, it was just a general point that it's easy for people to criticise something when the worst case scenario plays out.

Will I Amnt · 06-09-2014 03:23PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Is there no Man U thread Will? :pac::p

You know well there is, you post stupid things in it all the time...

willowthewisp · 06-09-2014 03:26PM

Fescue wrote: »

Don't see him making the bench in the next number of games.

Disagree, he will make at least the bench before this month is out, ain't no doubt about that baby!

Pending injuries of course.

x43r0 · 06-09-2014 03:41PM

kfallon wrote: »

Everyone hates the International breaks during the season but yet I think the majority would agree that the World Cup is the greatest football tournament in the world

*ahem*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjuRBSBaER8

Augmerson · 06-09-2014 03:43PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

You know well there is, you post stupid things in it all the time...

No, really I don't. That was a joke. I'm sure you understand the concept.

ush · 06-09-2014 03:49PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

There were some drama queens moaning about it based on an article by some Dutch journo,

He was a fitness coach.

Will I Amnt · 06-09-2014 03:56PM

ush wrote: »

He was a fitness coach.

Yeah, you're right, I wasn't 100% sure on it. Point still stands either way, he was not involved in Moyes' or van Gaal's training sessions, it's all conjecture.

Kess73 · 06-09-2014 04:30PM

Mod Post: Just a reminder to keep things affable, folks.

Kirby · 06-09-2014 04:33PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Mod Post: Just a reminder to keep things affable, folks.

What are you talking about Kess? This was a perfectly cromulent discussion.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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