Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

Will I Amnt · 02-09-2014 12:05PM

Panthro wrote: »

Jaysus, Some amount a micky swinging going on in here!:D

Not really. It's funny how mediocre Falcao has gotten since yesterday though.

02-09-2014 12:08PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Not really. It's funny how mediocre Falcao has gotten since yesterday though.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Oranage2 · 02-09-2014 12:09PM

Isn't falcao like 30 odd, wasn't there documents saying he was lying about his age?

smileyj1987 · 02-09-2014 12:10PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Not really. It's funny how mediocre Falcao has gotten since yesterday though.

Football fans are like that . They want to believe they have the best striker or players in the league . Arsenal fans will tell you Sanchez is a better player . Chelsea fans will say Diego Costa is better . Liverpool fans will say Sturrigde or Ballotelli is better and Manchester city fans will say aguero , dzeko or jovetic is better . It's just simple tribalism is all .

Ulysses Gaze · 02-09-2014 12:10PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Isn't falcao like 30 odd, wasn't there documents saying he was lying about his age?

Was that not Eto'o? I thought that was Mourinho just pulling the piss...

Harry Palmr · 02-09-2014 12:13PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Did Monaco own 100% of Falcao? He got a lot of criticism for joining them last season but I doubt he had much say in the deal with the complicated third party ownership deal.

http://www.therichest.com/sports/soccer-sports/selling-your-soul-radamel-falcao-controlled-by-third-party-ownership/

In 2009, Radamel Falcao left South America to play for Portuguese team Porto FC in a deal brokered by private firm Doyen Sports Investments, who purchased 55% of his economic rights by financing a large chunk of his transfer fee to Porto. Doyen operates by purchasing portions of registration and economic rights of individual players. After Falcao gained exposure to European audiences from his time at Porto, Doyen decided it was time for the next step. Atlético Madrid were in need of a clinical striker, but had debts hovering around €500 million ($684 million USD). In august of 2011, Doyen stepped in and agreed to finance 55% of Falcao’s €40 million transfer fee in exchange for 55% of his registration rights, meaning Atlético only had to pay Porto €18 million.

As third part ownership is illegal in England either he is now free of it (though not sure how) or it's not an issue for loans, but will become an issue next summer if Utd want to buy him.

Agent Coulson · 02-09-2014 12:13PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Isn't falcao like 30 odd, wasn't there documents saying he was lying about his age?

AS Monaco striker Radamel Falcao has ended recent speculation about his real age, after releasing his birth certificate that proves he is 27-years-old.

From a while back
http://www.givemesport.com/362932-falcaos-real-age-confirmed-after-release-of-birth-certificate

Harry Palmr · 02-09-2014 12:14PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Isn't falcao like 30 odd, wasn't there documents saying he was lying about his age?

He's officially 29 next month so makes no odds if he really is 30!

Benzino · 02-09-2014 12:14PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Here's a question - why did Falcao end up at a side not playing Champions League football?

Once it became obvious Monaco were looking to take him off the wage bill at the very least, Real Madrid looked like the most obvious (and nuts) destination followed by PSG (if they shifted a couple). Then Liverpool made enquiries and were rebuffed by the player (though I really doubt LFC would make a rod for their backs with his 350k a week loan), and City entered the fray. Negredo is sold and then he pops up at Utd a team not playing CL football and certainly not guaranteed to be doing so next season.

So why did Real pass and get Utd loanee Hernandez instead, why did City not get fully involved (and why did they sell Negredo so leaving themselves short?)?

Falcao and Di Maria are a bit like the Suarez situation in my opinion. The reason Liverpool got Suarez is because somebody else was in for him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody else was in for Di Maria once PSG couldn't get around the FFP rule (RM were never gonna sell to Barca).

Falcao and RM have been talked about all summer, but there was never any strong link there and does smack of the agent trying to generate interest instead of their been genuine interest. No way Arsenal would pay his wages, or Liverpool for that matter. City likely backed out due to FFP considering his wage demands. Sure Utd are not in CL, but Falcao doesn't seem bothered by that, and really he seems more interested in money (nothing wrong with that).

Di Maria and Falcao are excellent signings for Utd, they have purchased 2 of the best players in the world in their respective positions. The money involved doesn't matter, they can easily afford it. Sure it doesn't address their problems, but world class players like these don't come available too often.

I'd happily Di Maria and Falcao over any 2 of Liverpool's new signings, you'd be mad not to imo.

02-09-2014 12:15PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Football fans are like that . They want to believe they have the best striker or players in the league . Arsenal fans will tell you Sanchez is a better player . Chelsea fans will say Diego Costa is better . Liverpool fans will say Sturrigde or Ballotelli is better and Manchester city fans will say aguero , dzeko or jovetic is better . It's just simple tribalism is all .

That's it. Funny people getting upset about it!

Falcao isn't premiership proven though. He might not be up to the tempo of the best league in the world

ASOT · 02-09-2014 12:16PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

http://www.therichest.com/sports/soccer-sports/selling-your-soul-radamel-falcao-controlled-by-third-party-ownership/

As third part ownership is illegal in England either he is now free of it (though not sure how) or it's not an issue for loans, but will become an issue next summer if Utd want to buy him.

Monaco signed him outright so hes not part owned by anyone anymore!

grumpymunster · 02-09-2014 12:16PM

Falcao is a top class player and I would have thought most clubs in the world would love him. But if it is true he was insisting on the same take home pay as he was getting at Monaco then there are very few who could afford him United being one of the very few of course.

As for injuries when we bought Casiraghi a good few years back he had a good record regarding injuries still a few games a bit of bad luck and that was his career over. Sadly injuries happen don't think Falcao any better or worse than most.

smileyj1987 · 02-09-2014 12:19PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

That's it. Funny people getting upset about it!

Falcao isn't premiership proven though. He might not be up to the tempo of the best league in the world

But then it was great business by man utd to take him on loan for a season to see is he up to it . I wouldn't imagine the year in France did a lot for him . This could be the player also saying I want to play in a proper league aswell .

greendom · 02-09-2014 12:23PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

But then it was great business by man utd to take him on loan for a season to see is he up to it . I wouldn't imagine the year in France did a lot for him . This could be the player also saying I want to play in a proper league aswell .

my understanding is that it's only a loan deal from a financial point of view. It is a permanent signing but the first year is considered a loan.

Lucas Hood · 02-09-2014 12:26PM

Just on this whole not proven in x league point , apparently fans of Spanish Italian & German leagues never use this point when talking about new signings. It's just an English thing that probably came from sky.

02-09-2014 12:29PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Just on this while not proven in x league point , apparently fans of Spanish Italian & German leagues never use this point when talking about new signings. It's just an English thing that probably came from sky.

Bundesliga proven!

SherlockWatson · 02-09-2014 12:30PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Just on this while not proven in x league point , apparently fans of Spanish Italian & German leagues never use this point when talking about new signings. It's just an English thing that probably came from sky.

Well the PL would probably be regarded as a more physical league when the others place more importance on technical skill etc?

Will I Amnt · 02-09-2014 12:30PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Football fans are like that . They want to believe they have the best striker or players in the league . Arsenal fans will tell you Sanchez is a better player . Chelsea fans will say Diego Costa is better . Liverpool fans will say Sturrigde or Ballotelli is better and Manchester city fans will say aguero , dzeko or jovetic is better . It's just simple tribalism is all .

Saying other players are better is one thing but saying he's unwanted, old, one knock away from a long term injury, lost his pace etc. is just picking faults for the sake of making it look like bad business.

Oh and tell rarnes I'm not upset about it, just making counter arguments and refuting points made by others, it's how a message board works. He must spend all his day laughing at people on here, everything is funny to him.

Ed Winchester · 02-09-2014 12:34PM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Well the PL would probably be regarded as a more physical league when the others place more importance on technical skill etc?

Is this not really a bit of an old cliche now at this stage. Every single team in the league has a large portion of foreign players in their starting XI every week.

ThunbergsAreGo · 02-09-2014 12:37PM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Di Maria > Sanchez and its not even that close.

Missed the words "one of" did we?

Harry Palmr · 02-09-2014 12:50PM

Smithwicks Man · 02-09-2014 12:51PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Just on this whole not proven in x league point , apparently fans of Spanish Italian & German leagues never use this point when talking about new signings. It's just an English thing that probably came from sky.

It's a load of nonsense that Sky get their pundits to say every chance they get so as to make the PL out to be better than it is. Haven't considered it the best league in the world for a while now.

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Well the PL would probably be regarded as a more physical league when the others place more importance on technical skill etc?

Premiership - Physical
La Liga - Technical
Serie A - Tactical
Bundesliga - Mixed

That was always the way it was predominantly but from what I watch of them all and read about it's more that on average, the PL and Bundesliga have a higher tempo. The Serie A has a lower tempo but the teams are tactically sounder and La Liga is a mix with generally higher quality than the other 3.

SherlockWatson · 02-09-2014 12:52PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Its good to see United at the top of a table again.

Panthro · 02-09-2014 12:52PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Well hello Chelsea!:D
It's been a while not seeing those figures in the red.

JerCotter7 · 02-09-2014 12:53PM

This thread became very bitter over night. We need the transfer window open again.

Smithwicks Man · 02-09-2014 12:53PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I wasn't aware the Di Maria transfer could rise to €90m :eek:

CSF · 02-09-2014 12:53PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

What? His role was to give Falcao freedom, to take all the attention away from Falcao to allow him to thrive, to occupy defenders. I suspect Falcao would be the first to tell you how good Costa was in that role. Of course Falcao moved on, Costa became the main man, the rest is history.

I really didn't think he was great, I watch Atletico every week, and he frustrated the hell out of me. Then last season he stepped it up big time.

Marty McFly · 02-09-2014 12:56PM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Di Maria > Sanchez and its not even that close.

:pac: time will tell but I'm betting Sanchez will prove the better signing he's got off to a great start.

CSF · 02-09-2014 12:58PM

Ed Winchester wrote: »

Is this not really a bit of an old cliche now at this stage. Every single team in the league has a large portion of foreign players in their starting XI every week.

Absolutely not. Those foreign players pretty much all end up having to adapt or perish. The game in England is a very different animal to that in Spain or France, I don't see how that fits into a Falcao discussion though since he seems to have all the tools to adapt to the English game seamlessly.

Lukker- · 02-09-2014 01:00PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It was a steep learning curve but Chelsea got pretty good at this whole transfer business.

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