Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

26-08-2014 08:22AM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Di Maria is an outstanding player and nobody with a brain is denying that but some United fans are in fantasy mode thinking the lad is going to solve their problems alone. He won't have a chance to display his brilliance with the state of the team he has to play in at present. Signing Vidal which is a big pipe dream will help him out but he's in for a rough winter as it stands.

Who exactly has said he is going to solve our problems on his own?

What's going on in this thread is all of a sudden Utd have managed to get the player practically every other rival said we wouldn't get and now that we have the toys are out of the pram.

Di Maria is world class but nobody expects him to sort out the problems on his own. There's another week in the window and I think this is going to kick our transfer business into overdrive.

Players love money, who would have thought :rolleyes:, but regardless it's an impressive feat to get this signing done considering we don't have CL football and the player who won it for Madrid last year is willing to give that up.

glued · 26-08-2014 08:24AM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Yeah but they aren't similar players, quite the opposite actually. Vidal and Ramires are similar players. Di Maria is a winger who was f*cked into center mid due to being second fiddle to Bale and Ronaldo on the wings. He's a natural world class winger who can play at center mid, Ramires would be a very average winger.

That's a complete lie. Di Maria was always a CM. He played there for Benfica. When he started at RM they used him as a winger because of his pace but then he moved back into his natural position.

This is a guy who was MOTM in the UCL last year when both Bale and Ronaldo, as you allude to, went missing. Di Maria is a top class player and a great signing.

Will I Amnt · 26-08-2014 08:24AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Who exactly has said he is going to solve our problems on his own?

Nobody has said that. Some people invent these statements in their own head and then argue against them. Very strange stuff altogether.

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 08:38AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Just because a player is "second fiddle" doesn't instantly mean they are not phenomenal players. Exceptions even in the last year Ozil, Kroos, Mata, Sanchez and now Di Maria will all have moved. It's ridiculous

Ancelotti wanted to keep Di Maria, other teams including Barcelona and PSG wanted to buy him, the Madrid hierarchy decided to spend £64 million on a player who had a good World Cup and Ancelotti needs no winky nudge from them to realise that if Perez decides to buy a player for 64 million then he wants to see him playing , now you have a situation where Bale, Ronaldo and James must play regardless, where does Di Maria fit in then? He is undoubtably better than James, he was excellent last season in a midfield 3, James was the flavour of the year, a worthy Galactico

All hugely talented players but for the fee Man Utd are paying I dont think the player should be someone who was third fiddle and has essentially been cast off because of the arrival of another player. For that kind of money you should be getting the best of the best rather than the best of the rest.

Why is he undoubtedly better than James? Real Madrid don't seem to think so.

glued · 26-08-2014 08:42AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

All hugely talented players but for the fee Man Utd are paying I dont think the player should be someone who was third fiddle and has essentially been cast off because of the arrival of another player. For that kind of money you should be getting the best of the best rather than the best of the rest.

Why is he undoubtedly better than James? Real Madrid don't seem to think so.

You know an agruement is absolute rubbish when someone resorts to lying to try and prove a point.

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 08:42AM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

I don't get your logic here Andersonisgod, you'd be the right at the forefront of the argument if people tried to claim that Iniesta and Busquets would be poor value signings given they're at lower billing than Messi and Xavi (and rightly so).

United are clearly getting squeezed here because of their poor negotiating position, but just because Di Maria was only the third most influential player in a team that won the Champions League, doesn't in itself make him a poor value signing.

The argument gets complicated if you bring players like Xavi, Busquets and defenders into it because then you are arguing how much is a great defender worth in relation to a great attacker and the answer will inevitably be less.

He's a hugely talented player that should improve their side. However I don't believe it is value for money, value for that kind of money is Ronaldo, value is Bale, value is Suarez, value is Neymar. Value isn't 59.9 million pounds for Angel Di Maria when the likes of Ozil and Sanchez have moved to England for quite a bit less.

Will I Amnt · 26-08-2014 08:49AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

The argument gets complicated if you bring players like Xavi, Busquets and defenders into it because then you are arguing how much is a great defender worth in relation to a great attacker and the answer will inevitably be less.

He's a hugely talented player that should improve their side. However I don't believe it is value for money, value for that kind of money is Ronaldo, value is Bale, value is Suarez, value is Neymar. Value isn't 59.9 million pounds for Angel Di Maria when the likes of Ozil and Sanchez have moved to England for quite a bit less.

Bale hasn't been £85m good for Madrid. Özil hasn't been £40m good for Arsenal, far from it in fact. Value remains to be seen in both cases. Neymar has certainly not been anywhere near value for money yet, whichever fee you believe to be true.

26-08-2014 08:55AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

All hugely talented players but for the fee Man Utd are paying I dont think the player should be someone who was third fiddle and has essentially been cast off because of the arrival of another player. For that kind of money you should be getting the best of the best rather than the best of the rest.

Why is he undoubtedly better than James? Real Madrid don't seem to think so.

No what happened there was Perez got a horn when James was highlighted because of his performances in the World Cup and said 'I want' like he was in a sweet shop.

All he cares about is the latest and greatest when in fact there getting rid of the player who practically drives the team and it's is a big mistake my Madrid. New players can sell shirts and that's his angle.

Exactly what has James done to prove that he has outperformed Di Maria in the last four years? The potential for James is there but he is no way on the same level as Di Maria yet. I could nearly guarantee you hardly anybody in here heard of him before the WC.

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 09:03AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

No what happened there was Perez got a horn when he was highlighted because of his performances in the World Cup and said 'I want' like he was in a sweet shop.

All he cares about is the latest and greatest when in fact there getting rid of the player who practically drives the team and it's is a big mistake my Madrid. New players can sell shirts and that's his angle.

Exactly what has James done to prove that he has outperformed Di Maria in the last four years? The potential for James is there but he is no way on the same level as Di Maria yet. I can guarantee you hardly anybody in here heard of him before the WC.

Why 4 years? Di Maria is a bit older so that obviously favours him. Whatever about Perez but there's no other way of saying it, Di Maria is a Real Madrid cast off. That sounds bad, but Sanchez, Ozil, Higuain, Fabregas are all cast offs from the two biggest clubs in the world, nobody is saying that they aren't terrifically gifted players, I am simply saying that Di Maria belongs in the same category as those players and yet he costs so much more than them (more than twice Fabregas and nobody can tell ne he is twice as good as Fabregas). Thus I don't agree at all that he is, as I've seen Man Utd fans claim, value for money. I also have my doubts about his ability to be the star man at a big club but that's a different argument.

tupac_healy · 26-08-2014 09:10AM

Imagine the arguments if we were a club that had genuine problems!

How this man is not welcomed to OT with open arms by every single Utd fan is beyond me....

The train of thought on this thread is idiotic at times, people moan about Ed being out of his depth and we need a big name that he 'apparently' can't sign... Put a line through that one... Moan over

I gotta say, any genuine Utd fan out there would be over the moon with the window, Shaw, Herrera, Rojo and Di Maria with no sign of the train stopping...

Guess it's true, can't please everyone!

Liam McPoyle · 26-08-2014 09:16AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Why 4 years? Di Maria is a bit older so that obviously favours him. Whatever about Perez but there's no other way of saying it, Di Maria is a Real Madrid cast off. That sounds bad, but Sanchez, Ozil, Higuain, Fabregas are all cast offs from the two biggest clubs in the world, nobody is saying that they aren't terrifically gifted players, I am simply saying that Di Maria belongs in the same category as those players and yet he costs so much more than them (more than twice Fabregas and nobody can tell ne he is twice as good as Fabregas). Thus I don't agree at all that he is, as I've seen Man Utd fans claim, value for money. I also have my doubts about his ability to be the star man at a big club but that's a different argument.

I've not seen a single United fan claim DiMaria is value for money, in fact all the comments I've seen are that although he is a very talented player, we are paying over the odds for him.

I believe only the most blinkered fans would say we are getting him at a good price.

I'd be interested if you could find even one quote on here that suggested otherwise tbh.

RasTa · 26-08-2014 09:20AM

Some cast off..

Ancelotti, speaking at a press conference, said on the former Benfica winger: 'Di Maria has said goodbye. We thanked him for everything he has done for the club.
'We tried everything possible to keep Di Maria, but he has decided something else. Good luck to him.'

26-08-2014 09:21AM

Business Cat wrote: »

I've not seen a single United fan claim DiMaria is value for money, in fact all the comments I've seen are that although he is a very talented player, we are paying over the odds for him.

I believe only the most blinkered fans would say we are getting him at a good price.

I'd be interested if you could find even one quote on here that suggested otherwise tbh.

This.

And add the claims he is making about Man Utd fans saying he is going to solve all our problems :rolleyes:

Kirby · 26-08-2014 09:33AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

The potential for James is there but he is no way on the same level as Di Maria yet. I could nearly guarantee you hardly anybody in here heard of him before the WC.

That's a ridiculous statement. He went to Monaco for 60 million quid for Christ's sake. This isn't some kid Real Madrid have picked up from obscurity.

Most casual fans on the street would have known who he was, never mind sad saps like us who talk on football forums all day.

Don't project. If you didn't know who he was, that's fine. The rest of us did.

Lucas Hood · 26-08-2014 09:37AM

Kirby wrote: »

That's a ridiculous statement. He went to Monaco for 60 million quid for Christ's sake. This isn't some kid Real Madrid have picked up from obscurity.

Most casual fans on the street would have known who he was, never mind sad saps like us who talk on football forums all day.

Don't project. If you didn't know who he was, that's fine. The rest of us did.

€45m.

Kirby · 26-08-2014 09:40AM

Sure whats a few million here or there to moneybags Monaco?

MagicIRL · 26-08-2014 09:43AM

With Di Maria signed it's imperative that United sign both Vidal and someone like Blind. Without steel in the midfield, Herrera will have to help defend and thus he can't bring the ball forward like he should be. If that's the case than playing a front three of Suarez, Messi and Neymar won't help United score goals and win. The key is in the DM being sorted out and Tom Cleverely being barred from the training ground and first team altogether.

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 09:53AM

Business Cat wrote: »

I've not seen a single United fan claim DiMaria is value for money, in fact all the comments I've seen are that although he is a very talented player, we are paying over the odds for him.

I believe only the most blinkered fans would say we are getting him at a good price.

I'd be interested if you could find even one quote on here that suggested otherwise tbh.

I could search here abd I feel I could find one though the comment comes from hearing it in person and reading it elsewhere.

Pyjamarama · 26-08-2014 09:56AM

I don't get this "nobody had heard of James before the World Cup" stuff. If you follow European football at all you'd have defo heard of him. It's not like he went to Monaco for peanuts and he had an amazing year there.

26-08-2014 10:05AM

Kirby wrote: »

That's a ridiculous statement. He went to Monaco for 60 million quid for Christ's sake. This isn't some kid Real Madrid have picked up from obscurity.

Most casual fans on the street would have known who he was, never mind sad saps like us who talk on football forums all day.

Don't project. If you didn't know who he was, that's fine. The rest of us did.

As you see the worlds 'nearly' and 'hardly' were in the statement.
Not sure when I stated that I didn't know who he was.

Don't project. And assume everybody else knows who he was.

Will I Amnt · 26-08-2014 10:07AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I could search here abd I feel I could find one though the comment comes from hearing it in person and reading it elsewhere.

That old chestnut :rolleyes:
Maybe you're talking to too many idiots or reading the YouTube comment section.

Really annoys me when people back up their points with "people I've met"
It gives you cart blanche to say whatever you want.

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 10:20AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

That old chestnut :rolleyes:
Maybe you're talking to too many idiots or reading the YouTube comment section.

Really annoys me when people back up their points with "people I've met"
It gives you cart blanche to say whatever you want.

Actually Facebook for your information and from Man Utd fans who go to OT at least a couple of times a season but that's neither here nor there and essentially this is just muddying the crystal clear waters of my actual point, that being that this is a dramatic overspend on a player who is not in the Messi/Ronaldo/Neymar/Bale/Suarez bracket of footballers.

MagicIRL · 26-08-2014 10:32AM

Anderson, are you just sore because Di Maria single handily destroyed Barca in the last classico of the 13/14 season?

Mikeyt086 · 26-08-2014 10:45AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Anderson, are you just sore because Di Maria single handily destroyed Barca in the last classico of the 13/14 season?

Ah can we not do this?

I remember a time when the transfer thread was used to post transfer updates.

Liam McPoyle · 26-08-2014 10:48AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Actually Facebook for your information and from Man Utd fans who go to OT at least a couple of times a season but that's neither here nor there and essentially this is just muddying the crystal clear waters of my actual point, that being that this is a dramatic overspend on a player who is not in the Messi/Ronaldo/Neymar/Bale/Suarez bracket of footballers.

All of those are in the £70,000,000 + bracket, £75,000,000 depending on what you read.

The most common report is that we are paying just shy of £60,000,000 for DiMaria.

This is in a world that a headless chicken like Luiz and a waning star like Torres go for £50,000,000 and an Andy Carroll goes for £35,000,000.

It is my opinion that we are over paying for DiMaria, probably £5,000,000 to £10,000,000 over his actual worth but the fact remains we are getting a genuine world class player, at the peak of his powers, so paying that lil bit of United tax is fine by me.

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 11:13AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Anderson, are you just sore because Di Maria single handily destroyed Barca in the last classico of the 13/14 season?

Not at all, in fact I've always spoken highly of him as a player (ironically some of those who weren't so generous with their praise towards him are now joyously tooting his horn) my two qualms are simple and entirely reasonable. Value, in particular in relation to similar deals, and my doubts about his ability to be the star player for a big club.

sky88 · 26-08-2014 11:21AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Actually Facebook for your information and from Man Utd fans who go to OT at least a couple of times a season but that's neither here nor there and essentially this is just muddying the crystal clear waters of my actual point, that being that this is a dramatic overspend on a player who is not in the Messi/Ronaldo/Neymar/Bale/Suarez bracket of footballers.

Well Neymar is not in the same bracket as messi, ronaldo,bale and suarez and has not justified his huge transfer price.

I actually think that very few players justify there price tag and every team is overspending on players as it seems to be footballs nature now

Corholio · 26-08-2014 01:00PM

tupac_healy wrote: »

Imagine the arguments if we were a club that had genuine problems!

How this man is not welcomed to OT with open arms by every single Utd fan is beyond me....

The train of thought on this thread is idiotic at times, people moan about Ed being out of his depth and we need a big name that he 'apparently' can't sign... Put a line through that one... Moan over

I gotta say, any genuine Utd fan out there would be over the moon with the window, Shaw, Herrera, Rojo and Di Maria with no sign of the train stopping...

Guess it's true, can't please everyone!

Why use the word 'genuine' there? If they didnt agree with you, they weren't genuine. I dont know whats incredibly exciting about Shaw, Herrera and Rojo to be honest, Di Maria is the only one worthy of getting excited about. Paid way over the odds for Herrera and Shaw, and Rojo isnt the top quality United need IMO.

CSF · 26-08-2014 01:28PM

Quazzie wrote: »

'lacks balance' seems to be the go to buzzword of the week for people who want to contradict someone but don't know enough to explain why.

This is one of the stupidest posts I've seen on this forum and shows a serious lack of understanding of how football works and why good teams are good.

tupac_healy · 26-08-2014 01:38PM

Corholio wrote: »

Why use the word 'genuine' there? If they didnt agree with you, they weren't genuine. I dont know whats incredibly exciting about Shaw, Herrera and Rojo to be honest, Di Maria is the only one worthy of getting excited about. Paid way over the odds for Herrera and Shaw, and Rojo isnt the top quality United need IMO.

I used that term because its the genuine fans that will appreciate the groundwork that has been laid this summer... Yes we have issues but we've brought in very promising young talent to the club, it's a project under LVG and its because your not excited about this is the reason I chose that word.....

Now obviously you don't have to share that opinion, or even like it but that's how I feel....

Been following Utd a long long time now and these sort of players are the kind we need to push the club forward

Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

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