Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

batistuta9 · 25-08-2014 11:24PM

west brom signed silvestre varela on a season loan, their 10th signing.
Albion have also signed Brown Ideye, Sebastien Pocognoli, Jason Davidson, Joleon Lescott, Georgios Samaras, Cristian Gamboa, Chris Baird, Craig Gardner and Andre Wisdom.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9438599/transfer-news-west-brom-sign-porto-winger-silvestre-varela-on-loan

Chancer3001 · 25-08-2014 11:30PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

So much being written about Di Maria, I will simply add that it is telling that Man Utd are paying such a hefty price for a player that is essentially 3rd fiddle to Ronaldo and Bale (4th if you count James). He's a hugely talented player but at no stage has he ever been the star around which Real Madrid or Argentina have been built and for the kind of money Man Utd are paying for him you would imagine he should be the main man for either his current club or country. As I said before, I'm not at all convinced he is better than Sanchez, yet according to his fee he is, and significantly so.

Since di Maria moved to Spain only messi has more assists than him in the entire league. That would indeed make him a main man.

Also, he is going to play with mata. He will do fletchers job, just do it properly. Box to box with talent.

He's pretty similar to Ramires , but better.ramires sometimes gets played on the wing too

Talib Fiasco · 25-08-2014 11:35PM

Di Maria a similar player to Ramires? B*tch please...

Aenaes · 25-08-2014 11:35PM

Comparing Di Maria with Sanchez according to their transfer fees is seriously flawed. Barcelona let Sanchez go for a smaller sum than they could have gotten and Real Madrid are hardballing Manchester United to a certain extent.

batistuta9 · 25-08-2014 11:38PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Di Maria a similar player to Ramires? B*tch please...

can't beat the guy writing Hames though :pac:

25-08-2014 11:47PM

Unreal downplaying of di maria. It's cringy to the Max

KERSPLAT! · 25-08-2014 11:51PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Unreal downplaying of di maria. It's cringy to the Max

Meh, United fans bigging him up, rival fans playing him down

kevinroche3333 · 25-08-2014 11:53PM

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Meh, United fans bigging him up, rival fans playing him down

Top quality player for sure that all teams would like to have, but 60million pounds?! Nobody can convince me its value for money

Dempsey · 25-08-2014 11:56PM

This argument happened with ozil last season. Ozil hasnt set the heather on fire in the EPL and I think the same will happen Di Maria. He will be bullied out of matches

Chancer3001 · 25-08-2014 11:56PM

Similar player to Ramires, BUT BETTER is what i wrote.

Some peoples indignation blinding them clearly.

Crann na Beatha · 25-08-2014 11:58PM

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Talib Fiasco · 26-08-2014 12:00AM

Di Maria is an outstanding player and nobody with a brain is denying that but some United fans are in fantasy mode thinking the lad is going to solve their problems alone. He won't have a chance to display his brilliance with the state of the team he has to play in at present. Signing Vidal which is a big pipe dream will help him out but he's in for a rough winter as it stands.

Christy Browne · 26-08-2014 12:00AM

The downplaying of Di Maria really is hilarious

Smithwicks Man · 26-08-2014 12:05AM

Phoenix wrote: »

Torres to AC Milan rumours

Far too many for my liking

Seems to be a case of Milan want Torres on loan with Chelsea paying some of his wages (at least half). Chelsea would rather sell outright but may agree to a loan. Torres doesn't want a loan and only wants to go on a permanent transfer.

Can't see Milan signing him on a permanent transfer as his wages are far too high.

Talib Fiasco · 26-08-2014 12:05AM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Similar player to Ramires, BUT BETTER is what i wrote.

Some peoples indignation blinding them clearly.

Yeah but they aren't similar players, quite the opposite actually. Vidal and Ramires are similar players. Di Maria is a winger who was f*cked into center mid due to being second fiddle to Bale and Ronaldo on the wings. He's a natural world class winger who can play at center mid, Ramires would be a very average winger.

Utopia Parkway · 26-08-2014 12:07AM

Dempsey wrote: »

This argument happened with ozil last season. Ozil hasnt set the heather on fire in the EPL and I think the same will happen Di Maria. He will be bullied out of matches

Ozil had even more assists than Di Maria in La Liga and he's hardly set the world alright at Arsenal. Not yet anyway.

That doesn't mean Di Maria will or won't succeed as every player is different. Some adapt and some never do.

Frankie Lee · 26-08-2014 12:14AM

batistuta9 wrote: »

west brom signed silvestre varela on a season loan, their 10th signing.
Albion have also signed Brown Ideye, Sebastien Pocognoli, Jason Davidson, Joleon Lescott, Georgios Samaras, Cristian Gamboa, Chris Baird, Craig Gardner and Andre Wisdom.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9438599/transfer-news-west-brom-sign-porto-winger-silvestre-varela-on-loan

Not a bad signing for them. He was class a few years back.

Talib Fiasco · 26-08-2014 12:14AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Unreal downplaying of di maria. It's cringy to the Max

In all bloody fairness downplaying a player happens every day on this forum, happening as we speak in the match thread tonight... It's a natural thing to do whether it be honest opinion, educated guess or slight jealousy which is a different topic altogether...point being it's always going to happen.

Now tracking an aeroplane containing a future player and taking pride on being the one to update people on it's location and what have you is what I'd deem 'cringy to the max'.

But na as you were.

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 12:41AM

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Since di Maria moved to Spain only messi has more assists than him in the entire league. That would indeed make him a main man.

Also, he is going to play with mata. He will do fletchers job, just do it properly. Box to box with talent.

He's pretty similar to Ramires , but better.ramires sometimes gets played on the wing too

There's a huge difference between being "a main man" and the main man, I'd go as far as to say he's never risen above third fiddle at Real Madrid.

Also Barcelona got a pretty accurate amount in today's market for the quality of Sanchez. Real Madrid are getting above and beyond from, s frankly desperate, Man Utd side.

Andersonisgod · 26-08-2014 12:44AM

Christy Browne wrote: »

The downplaying of Di Maria really is hilarious

I'm not seeing how it is downplaying? Has he ever received higher billing than Ronaldo? No. Has he ever received higher billing than Bale? No. For much of his time at Madrid he was overshadowed by Ozil, now James has basically taken his place in the squad. You can say "it's unfair to compare him to these players" yet his price puts him directly in the same bracket as those players and the likes of Suarez and Neymar.

Will I Amnt · 26-08-2014 12:47AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I'm not seeing how it is downplaying? Has he ever received higher billing than Ronaldo? No. Has he ever received higher billing than Bale? No. For much of his time at Madrid he was overshadowed by Ozil, now James has basically taken his place in the squad. You can say "it's unfair to compare him to these players" yet his price puts him directly in the same bracket as those players and the likes of Suarez and Neymar.

He's as close to the price of Torres and David Luiz as Bale and Ronaldo. Why not compare him to them?

KERSPLAT! · 26-08-2014 12:49AM

Apparently Di Maria is done, £59.7 rising to £63.9. Stepping up the chase for Vidal too according to SSN and BBC. Vidal would help them immensely going forward and defending

Christy Browne · 26-08-2014 01:18AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I'm not seeing how it is downplaying? Has he ever received higher billing than Ronaldo? No. Has he ever received higher billing than Bale? No. For much of his time at Madrid he was overshadowed by Ozil, now James has basically taken his place in the squad. You can say "it's unfair to compare him to these players" yet his price puts him directly in the same bracket as those players and the likes of Suarez and Neymar.

Di Maria is better than James. James has potential, but at the moment he isn't even on Di Maria's level

Rayne Wooney · 26-08-2014 01:22AM

Just because a player is "second fiddle" doesn't instantly mean they are not phenomenal players. Exceptions even in the last year Ozil, Kroos, Mata, Sanchez and now Di Maria will all have moved. It's ridiculous

Ancelotti wanted to keep Di Maria, other teams including Barcelona and PSG wanted to buy him, the Madrid hierarchy decided to spend £64 million on a player who had a good World Cup and Ancelotti needs no winky nudge from them to realise that if Perez decides to buy a player for 64 million then he wants to see him playing , now you have a situation where Bale, Ronaldo and James must play regardless, where does Di Maria fit in then? He is undoubtably better than James, he was excellent last season in a midfield 3, James was the flavour of the year, a worthy Galactico

kryogen · 26-08-2014 01:49AM

Gavlor wrote: »

Samuel Eto'o due to have a medical at everton!

Would be a great signing even if they only get a season out of him

Yeah, cause he was great for Chelsea, a year younger.

Amirani · 26-08-2014 01:51AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I'm not seeing how it is downplaying? Has he ever received higher billing than Ronaldo? No. Has he ever received higher billing than Bale? No. For much of his time at Madrid he was overshadowed by Ozil, now James has basically taken his place in the squad. You can say "it's unfair to compare him to these players" yet his price puts him directly in the same bracket as those players and the likes of Suarez and Neymar.

I don't get your logic here Andersonisgod, you'd be the right at the forefront of the argument if people tried to claim that Iniesta and Busquets would be poor value signings given they're at lower billing than Messi and Xavi (and rightly so).

United are clearly getting squeezed here because of their poor negotiating position, but just because Di Maria was only the third most influential player in a team that won the Champions League, doesn't in itself make him a poor value signing.

Smithwicks Man · 26-08-2014 02:07AM

kryogen wrote: »

Yeah, cause he was great for Chelsea, a year younger.

9 goals and 4 assists in 1304 Premier League minutes last season = A goal/assist every 100 minutes, which is brilliant for a bit-part player.

He wasn't fantastic but he was far from useless as well.

Gavlor · 26-08-2014 08:03AM

kryogen wrote: »

Yeah, cause he was great for Chelsea, a year younger.

As far as evertons current options go, he's a good back up to lukaku. Guaranteed to score goals and no transfer fee. Hopefully he won't be on a ridiculous wage and if not then it's a nice bit of business.

Mikeyt086 · 26-08-2014 08:14AM

No United fan with a brain is claiming Di Maria will solve all the problems. That is a fictional opinion I have only seen rival fans bring up and criticize.

Also, I wasn't aware the transfer window closed for United a week before everyone else. There has been nothing to suggest United's business is done, yet signing Di Maria when we need to sign other players is another stick being used to beat the club with.

The entire debate reeks of July: "United can't sign Di Maria, he's class." August: "Di Maria isn't that good..." and the scrambling for reasons why this isn't a serious transfer coup are what some see as cringey.

There really should be a separate transfers thread, and a separate 'transfer discussion/my dad could beat up your dad thread'.

Chancer3001 · 26-08-2014 08:14AM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Yeah but they aren't similar players, quite the opposite actually. Vidal and Ramires are similar players. Di Maria is a winger who was f*cked into center mid due to being second fiddle to Bale and Ronaldo on the wings. He's a natural world class winger who can play at center mid, Ramires would be a very average winger.

Completely wrong. Di Maria was a centre mid who ended up on the wing, then ended up back in centre mid again last season. He was man of the match in the champions league final, playing centre mid behind the BBC attack

Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

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