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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #4172
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Palestine solidarity protestors target smart bomb manufacturer in Fife



    PNN/Solidarity

    Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign has called for a halt to the manufacturing of components for Israeli bombs in Scotland. The US owned Raytheon plant in Glenrothes produces guidance electronics for the Paveway II bomb which has been used to kill innocent women, men and children in Gaza.

    A demonstration on Saturday 16 August at 3pm in the Fife town is expected to be attended by thousands of protestors from across Scotland. The revelation about the company’s involvement in the horrendous massacre in Gaza came in press reports last weekend and follows calls from the Scottish government for an immediate arms embargo on Israel. The company boasts that they “can take a dumb bomb and turn it into a smart bomb”.

    http://english.pnn.ps/index.php/nonviolence/7987-palestine-solidarity-protestors-target-smart-bomb-manufacturer-in-fife

    Mainstream medias silence on the protests is deafening


  • #4173
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Well either israel got a bad batch of smart bombs, havent a clue how to operate them, or are deliberately targeting innocent civilians. I know where i'd put my money.


  • #4174
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    shedweller wrote: »
    Well either israel got a bad batch of smart bombs, havent a clue how to operate them, or are deliberately targeting innocent civilians. I know where i'd put my money.

    The fourth option seems most likely to me, which is that they are targeting what they think are militants without giving civilians a second thought.
    Not saying "There are a hundred innocent people there, let's kill them", but saying "there might be a target down there somewhere, let's just keep firing and hope we hit him. Collateral doesn't matter."

    Contempt rather than hatred, which in my view is actually worse. Hatred is an emotion which requires some level of empathy, contempt is a complete lack of emotion towards a person.


  • #4175
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    shedweller wrote: »
    Well either israel got a bad batch of smart bombs, havent a clue how to operate them, or are deliberately targeting innocent civilians. I know where i'd put my money.

    Would you trust a racist genocidist with a bomb made in Scotland?


  • #4176
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    hju6 wrote: »
    Would you trust a racist genocidist with a bomb made in Scotland?
    I wouldnt trust a racist genocidist with a bomb, full stop. Where its made hardly makes a difference.


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  • #4177
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    hju6 wrote: »
    Would you trust a racist genocidist with a bomb made in Scotland?

    I'll rephrase

    Would you trust an IDF with a bomb made in
    ?


  • #4178
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    hju6 wrote: »
    I'll rephrase

    Would you trust an IDF with a bomb made in
    ?
    No.


  • #4179
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    What I don't get about the "anti-Zionist equals anti-Semite" ****e that Zionists and their apologists keep rolling out is that at this stage it seems they really are trying to convince people that they do hate Jews. As the shadow of WWII and the holocaust fades from the collective consciousness, the original sin guilt card is a pretty weak one to play.


  • #4180
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    I thought I would share this with those people who are interested and haven't seen it before.



    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/listen-love-time-genocide-performed-haidar-eid



    In this video, the Palestinian intellectual and activist Haidar Eid, in Gaza, performs “Love in the Time of Genocide,” adapted from a poem by the late Egyptian poet Abdul Rahim Mansour.
    The words are unadorned, but Eid’s performance is haunting, set against images from Israel’s most recent massacre in Gaza:
    Between contractions and pain
    We will be reborn
    Between contractions and pain
    Wisdom will be born
    The song of freedom will be born
    All that has passed and gone
    Is still being born in your eyes
    At the end of the video are these words from Eid himself:
    The Palestinian people, and Gazans in particular, have been living an unending massacre since 1948. We can no longer negotiate about improving the conditions of oppression; it is either the full menu of rights, or nothing. And that means the end of occupation, apartheid and colonialism.




  • #4181
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    What I don't get about the "anti-Zionist equals anti-Semite" ****e that Zionists and their apologists keep rolling out is that at this stage it seems they really are trying to convince people that they do hate Jews. As the shadow of WWII and the holocaust fades from the collective consciousness, the original sin guilt card is a pretty weak one to play.

    Wow, that's consice


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  • #4182
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    1 word, Rothshild! Unfortunately, they have huge sway when it comes to these issues. Crazy, I know.:(


  • #4183
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    A Young American Jewish woman asks her peer group some tough questions. Unfortunately they weren't up to the task.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLDE4mRwfSQ#t=515


  • #4184
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    1 word, Rothshild! Unfortunately, they have huge sway when it comes to these issues. Crazy, I know.:(

    1 Word - Bullshit.


  • #4185
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    What I don't get about the "anti-Zionist equals anti-Semite" ****e that Zionists and their apologists keep rolling out is that at this stage it seems they really are trying to convince people that they do hate Jews. As the shadow of WWII and the holocaust fades from the collective consciousness, the original sin guilt card is a pretty weak one to play.
    And yet it works so well for so many. Strength in numbers yes? Thats the uphill battle and the zionists know this all too well.


  • #4186
    Playboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Essential viewing on the origins of the latest conflict and the historical context.

    Sorry if posted already

    http://youtu.be/UEpn68BZIOY


  • #4187
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    1 word, Rothshild! Unfortunately, they have huge sway when it comes to these issues. Crazy, I know.:(

    *shakeshead*


  • #4188
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    1 word, Rothshild! Unfortunately, they have huge sway when it comes to these issues. Crazy, I know.:(

    Crazy you say? You know we have a special forum for that kind of crazy.....:pac:


  • #4189
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    A Palestinian man and his Jewish bride-to-be are facing hostile protests in the Israeli town of Rishon Letzion after Israel's high court refused their application to ban demonstrations outside their wedding reception.

    Mahmoud Mansour, 26, a Palestinian from Jaffa, has had to hire dozens of security guards after an anti-Arab group, Lehava, published details of his wedding reception online and called for Israelis to come and picket the wedding hall.

    The group, which campaigns against assimilation between Jews and Arabs in Israel, is angry that Mansour's bride-to-be, Moral Malka, 23, is Jewish, although local media reported that she has already converted to Islam and the couple have had an Islamic wedding.

    Lehava, which campaigns under the slogan of 'saving the daughters of Israel', was revealed to have links with the Israeli government in a 2011 investigation by Haaretz, receiving up to $175,000 per year from the state, over half of its operational budget.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/17/israeli-court-protesters-picket-palestinian-jewish-wedding

    Charming. Stated funded bigots.


  • #4190
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Nodin wrote: »
    Lehava, which campaigns under the slogan of 'saving the daughters of Israel', was revealed to have links with the Israeli government in a 2011 investigation by Haaretz, receiving up to $175,000 per year from the state, over half of its operational budget.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/17/israeli-court-protesters-picket-palestinian-jewish-wedding

    Charming. Stated funded bigots.

    A pillar, a bastion Israel, a shining light of democracy and tolerance in the Middle East.


  • #4191
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    A pillar, a bastion Israel, a shining light of democracy and tolerance in the Middle East.


    Absolutely. Any suggestion that the light source is burning Palestinian property, olive groves etc is clearly pro-terrorist propaganda.


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  • #4192
    FifaPlaya
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭FifaPlaya


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    A pillar, a bastion Israel, a shining light of democracy and tolerance in the Middle East.

    Lol


  • #4193
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Israel, the Westboro Baptist Church of the Middle East


  • #4194
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    So it turns out that the IDF actually were incompetent when it comes to shooting.

    http://www.imemc.org/article/68870?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PalestineNews+%28Palestine+News%29
    A report by the Israeli military on Sunday August 17th found that during the Israeli invasion of Gaza that began on July 8th, fifteen different incidents of ‘friendly fire’ occurred, killing 5 soldiers and wounding 23.

    And in other news

    Thousands block the unloading of Israeli ship in the USA.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/17/israeli-ship-remains-at-sea-thousands-protesters-gather?CMP=twt_gu

    Israeli ship remains at sea as thousands of protesters gather in Oakland


  • #4195
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So it turns out that the IDF actually were incompetent when it comes to shooting.

    http://www.imemc.org/article/68870?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PalestineNews+%28Palestine+News%29



    And in other news

    Thousands block the unloading of Israeli ship in the USA.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/17/israeli-ship-remains-at-sea-thousands-protesters-gather?CMP=twt_gu

    Blockage of that ship is heartening.


  • #4196
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Nodin wrote: »
    Blockage of that ship is heartening.
    They look like anti semites to me....


  • #4197
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    shedweller wrote: »
    They look like anti semites to me....

    And probably homosexual, provo supporting,blind,ignorant,hate filled anti semites.


  • #4198
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    shedweller wrote: »
    They look like anti semites to me....

    How so? The word "Jewish" appears absolutely nowhere in the article.


  • #4199
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    How so? The word "Jewish" appears absolutely nowhere in the article.
    Sorry, i was being sarcastic!


  • #4200
    FifaPlaya
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭FifaPlaya


    shedweller wrote: »
    They look like anti semites to me....

    U know hating arabs or ethiopians is anti semetic cus theyre semites and a lot of palestinians are descended from jews who stayed in the roman palestine


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  • #4201
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    shedweller wrote: »
    Sorry, i was being sarcastic!

    Haha I'm notoriously bad at detecting sarcasm over the internet ;) The use of the ;) :pac: and :rolleyes: smileys helps considerably :p


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