Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

Adamcp898 · 16-08-2014 03:39PM

I suppose the important thing is to remember that today won't be all for nothing if it means that it kicks the club up the arse and forces them to sign quality players.

It was foolish for people to believe that just because we played a few pre-season games well, that a team not used to playing a new system looked uncomfortable playing it in a competitive game, particularly with several players playing out of position. It's for that reason that it's unfair to level any criticism at the likes of Young because they've never played their before and teams were always going to look to exploit their weaknesses for it. And for all the proclamations of Darren Fletcher's new found ability, he was very poor and it was disappointing to see Herrera get taken off instead of him with the game to chase.

A quality CM and CB are now a must with cover required in the full back/wing back positions. If we have a similar amount of injuries going into next weekend we could also see 352 shelved.

Nailz · 16-08-2014 03:40PM

MANUTD99 wrote: »

Give me a break trying to defend the nonsense that has gone on again this transfer window.

Jesus, where did I go around trying to defend this abysmal transfer window?

Way to totally read into my post the wrong way, the point was straight forward; being all doom and gloom after the first day of the season is beyond stupid, simple as.

Edit: Same goes for this post.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Posts like this are incredibly myopic. This isn't just a bad day at the office, a poor performance from a quality group of players. The result isn't even important, whats important is that it showed once again all the problems that we knew existed, it reinforced all the serious issues that were obvious to even the most blinkered fans.

Posts like those above almost suggest that this group of players are going to waltz out next time and play like the champions of old. They simply aren't, they can't, this squad failed all last season and they are just going to fail again, major changes were needed and unfortunately they are still needed.

bucketybuck · 16-08-2014 03:41PM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

I suppose the important thing is to remember that today won't be all for nothing if it means that it kicks the club up the arse and forces them to sign quality players.

I'm concerned that the club needs that kick up the arse, its been incredibly obvious that we needed quality players for a very long time now.

Hank Scorpio · 16-08-2014 03:42PM

Just looking at the squad now makes me feel sad, around 20 top class players. Such a decline, its incredible

Adamcp898 · 16-08-2014 03:45PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I'm concerned that the club needs that kick up the arse, its been incredibly obvious that we needed quality players for a very long time now.

Yep, it would be disappointing to think that it is actually needed, but at least today's performance didn't paper over any cracks. We looked weak in every area that, by out squad list alone, we should be weak in and so noone can be under any illusions now as to what's needed.

MANUTD99 · 16-08-2014 03:45PM

Nailz wrote: »

Jesus, where did I go around trying to defend this abysmal transfer window?

Way to totally read into my post the wrong way, the point was straight forward; being all doom and gloom after the first day of the season is beyond stupid, simple as.

Yeah my bad, I read your post the wrong way. The point I was trying to make is we have no where near the squad we had in 2007/8 so making reference to then and now is silly when you compare the squads

DM_7 · 16-08-2014 03:47PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Posts like this are incredibly myopic. This isn't just a bad day at the office, a poor performance from a quality group of players. The result isn't even important, whats important is that it showed once again all the problems that we knew existed, it reinforced all the serious issues that were obvious to even the most blinkered fans.

Posts like those above almost suggest that this group of players are going to waltz out next time and play like the champions of old. They simply aren't, they can't, this squad failed all last season and they are just going to fail again, major changes were needed and unfortunately they are still needed.

Maybe I read those posts wrong. I don't think they said it will be fine and the need for changes don't exist. A result like today possible even if United bought 3 or 4 more players as it is going to take time to get used to Van Gaal an what he wants, its what he calls a "process". I think that is more what those posts are getting at than refuting suggestions that change is needed ????

Larry Wildman · 16-08-2014 03:48PM

David De Gea
Wayne Rooney
Robin Van Persie
Juan Mata

They are the only players we have that would get have a chance of getting into the great United sides of the last 20 years. It's an indictment of the club. The "it's only the first game of the season" stuff is deluded. We are no longer a top class team. There is only one way to deal with that - Buy quality players. The squad is sh1te relative to where it needs to be in terms of quality.

RobertKK · 16-08-2014 03:49PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Posts like this are incredibly myopic. This isn't just a bad day at the office, a poor performance from a quality group of players. The result isn't even important, whats important is that it showed once again all the problems that we knew existed, it reinforced all the serious issues that were obvious to even the most blinkered fans.

Posts like those above almost suggest that this group of players are going to waltz out next time and play like the champions of old. They simply aren't, they can't, this squad failed all last season and they are just going to fail again, major changes were needed and unfortunately they are still needed.

No, the opening game is always during the summer transfer season. It was after their first game that Arsenal signed Ozil, and he along with Ramsey in particular with Giroud took Arsenal to the top.

United and Van Gaal will be all out to sign at least three players in my opinion.
Today was good in that regard, if you wanted a match to lose and really expose the weaknesses, it is better in the first match rather than winning 4-1 and thinking, good start and a false hope.
Today we saw the reality, the transfer window is open for a little over two weeks and United have major work to do - they need to sign proven quality.

It would have been far better if the players had already been signed but it is better get this result now than after September 2nd when we would be stuck with what we have.
Having hope for the season ahead shouldn't be dashed based on one match.
All we can do is wait and see what happens and then be really concerned if nothing happens or the wrong quality of player is signed.

Lord TSC · 16-08-2014 03:54PM

please don't post in game gifs. Same as Vine, they have to go

Nailz · 16-08-2014 03:54PM

MANUTD99 wrote: »

Yeah my bad, I read your post the wrong way. The point I was trying to make is we have no where near the squad we had in 2007/8 so making reference to then and now is silly when you compare the squads

That's grand, but I wasn't attempting to make such a comparison, I think that should go without saying that with the obvious exception of Carrick, Rooney and Nani that squad was simply much better than every other area of our current team.

But in the relative circumstances, without European football this season and with (hopefully) enough time to add 2 or 3 good players we can have a relatively good season even still. Everybody getting down on the season when it has only just begun gets on my nerves.

The reality is, we won't actually have any real idea about how this season is going to go until after the transfer window has closed and after we know if the new players (if any) will be able to make an adequate transition into the squad for the current season.

Neeson · 16-08-2014 03:56PM

It is important to remember that these things happen in cycles. Liverpool had a poor period after the 80's. It's the same here. Could be a few bad years but fortunes change as the years go on.

Chagan · 16-08-2014 03:56PM

In better news, we're out of the relegation zone. See, it's not all bad.

dor843088 · 16-08-2014 03:57PM

Modern business/football is about reacting quickly and decisively to situations and obstacles that occur. Utd are a joke in this regard and deserve nothing this season . The squad has been disintegrating for years . Biggest club in the world ? We are more like a smal club with loads of cash . Just calling it how I see it.

Adamocovic · 16-08-2014 03:57PM

Chagan wrote: »

In better news, we're out of the relegation zone. See, it's not all bad.

Every step counts

beno619 · 16-08-2014 03:58PM

TBF we were missing a hell of a lot of first team defenders, saying that I think LVG had a shocker for reasons already outlined.

Put Shaw, Rafa and a top class midfielder in the side and today would have turned out differently.

Adamcp898 · 16-08-2014 04:03PM

beno619 wrote: »

TBF we were missing a hell of a lot of first team defenders, saying that I think LVG had a shocker for reasons already outlined.

Put Shaw, Rafa and a top class midfielder in the side and today would have turned out differently.

Don't think anyone would dispute this.

I think though that you don't get to use injuries as an excuse when you haven't bothered your hole to put a contingency plan in place for when they happen i.e. sign some cover.

Lord TSC · 16-08-2014 04:12PM

Wayne Rooney: "Our season starts next week".

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Aug/wayne-rooney-the-season-starts-next-week.aspx

Good guy Wayne, giving every other team a week's headstart....

The Moldy Gowl · 16-08-2014 04:17PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Wayne Rooney: "Our season starts next week".

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Aug/wayne-rooney-the-season-starts-next-week.aspx

Good guy Wayne, giving every other team a week's headstart....

Today was just a tactical loss.

That's all.

Nailz · 16-08-2014 04:19PM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Don't think anyone would dispute this.

I think though that you don't get to use injuries as an excuse when you haven't bothered your hole to put a contingency plan in place for when they happen i.e. sign some cover.

Exactly, the fact that we had to go with Jesse Lingard at RWB from the start shows that we are lacking massively. We have no defensive squad players. I love seeing the young guys like Blackett, Lingard and Keane getting games and I'm particularly fond of Blackett, but a club like United should never HAVE to rely on them and throw them in at the deep end.

We were missing our best defender today in Jonny Evans, and he was also out injured for long periods last season too, with injuries being an inevitability, I think we need at least 2 defenders before the end of the transfer window. A left-sided player like Rojo who can play as part of the back 3 or on the wing, and a purely central defender of first team quality.

If it came down to us only signing 2 players in this window, I'd prefer them both be defenders than bringing in a midfielder, our priories should lie there for the time being.

Chagan · 16-08-2014 04:20PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Wayne Rooney: "Our season starts next week".

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Aug/wayne-rooney-the-season-starts-next-week.aspx

Good guy Wayne, giving every other team a week's headstart....

Good idea, sure we only need around 40 points to stay up anyway. Might as well forget about the first 20 games and go on a few commercial tours around Asia instead. I don't know about everyone else but I want revenge against the Singha All Star XI.

J. Marston · 16-08-2014 04:20PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

please don't post in game gifs. Same as Vine, they have to go

Wow, that's a load of balls. I know you have to enforce it, but still, it's crap that there's going to be no more goal/skill/random funny moment gifs in the thread anymore.

Combine that with the fact that Kate Upton gifs are also frowned upon in here and this has become a very grey, cleavage-less corner of the internet

.

*Picture snipped*

Viva la revolución!

*runs away*

Mister Robinson · 16-08-2014 04:21PM

United beat Swansea on the opening day last year and went on to have a bad season.

Maybe losing today means we will have the opposite effect :P

If Lingard had stayed on it could have been different result. He was determined to show LVG why he should play and it was sad to see him get injured even if it was a precaution to take him off.

I thought young was at his usual again. Getting paid so much to mis control and hand ball and also foul throw balls is sunday league stuff. Not much from him going forward.

Blackett looked composed on the ball today, same as in pre-season. A bit nervy at the end but Swansea put some pressure on.

Quite disappointed that United didn't carry on their pre-season form today but I think they will pick up and kick on. A bit of time needed and would be great if one or two more signings came in to help.

bucketybuck · 16-08-2014 04:22PM

Nailz wrote: »

If it came down to us only signing 2 players in this window, I'd prefer them both be defenders than bringing in a midfielder, our priories should lie their for the time being.

Sign all the defenders you want, but if we don't sign a proper midfielder you may get used to more displays like today.

16-08-2014 04:23PM

Actually yeah, that foul throw when United were turning the screw pissed me off to no end.

JRant · 16-08-2014 04:23PM

beno619 wrote: »

TBF we were missing a hell of a lot of first team defenders, saying that I think LVG had a shocker for reasons already outlined.

Put Shaw, Rafa and a top class midfielder in the side and today would have turned out differently.

Defenders aren't the problem though.

Both of Swansea's goals came from midfielders arriving into our box unmarked. The midfield didn't do its job.

Our attack was blunt because we couldn't transition the ball from back to front quickly enough. Again it's the midfield not doing its job.

ericzeking · 16-08-2014 04:28PM

There ain't no quick fix lads...even if we spend 100m quid this week on this magic number of 3 players that everyone is on about, the new regime is still going to need time.

Can we not rejoice at the performance of Tyler Blackett? Every cloud and all that...you would swear there were no positives. Even if he maybe got one or 2 sub's wrong (in hindsight) at least LVG showed that he will be flexible and dynamic on the sideline.

I think at the start of this 'process' as it was mentioned above as to what LVG calls it, sometimes you have to look beyond the bare scoreline.

billyhead · 16-08-2014 04:28PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

David De Gea
Wayne Rooney
Robin Van Persie
Juan Mata

They are the only players we have that would get have a chance of getting into the great United sides of the last 20 years. It's an indictment of the club. The "it's only the first game of the season" stuff is deluded. We are no longer a top class team. There is only one way to deal with that - Buy quality players. The squad is sh1te relative to where it needs to be in terms of quality.

Exactly. We need World class players now. No more buying players of average quality. Forget about your Blinds, your Rojos and your De Jongs etc. We need Vidals, Hummels and Di Maria type quality but unfortunately we have left it too late to get these type of players in. Look at Chelsea. They got their business done early and signed genuine potential world class talent. The next 2 weeks are vital otherwise we could miss that 4th spot again. T

Lucas Hood · 16-08-2014 04:29PM

I thought Tyler Blackett done well but giving the ball back to them straight away let them take a quick free kick in the build up to their second goal was stupid.

He won't be doing that again anyway.

Nailz · 16-08-2014 04:30PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Sign all the defenders you want, but if we don't sign a proper midfielder you may get used to more displays like today.

I'd be happy to see Fellaini and Herrera start every game up until January to be honest. Our main problem today in midfield lies with Fletcher and Mata, I don't think Fletcher is up to it so drop him to the bench and give Mata a kick up the arse, he's better than he was today.

Fellaini is good enough to swing a good job under LVG until we bring in a decent box-to-box midfielder like Strootman or Vidal, although I'd rather see them right ****ing now as opposed to having to wait. All of our good offensive work would otherwise be undone if we don't sign at least 2 defenders though, particularly given our injuries and our reliance on inexperienced players. That's were we should get out priorities right.

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