Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

Will I Amnt · 14-08-2014 10:40AM

RasTa wrote: »

They aren't paid by what they know, they are paid based on how fictional they can deliver an article. All creative writing.

I don't think anything Jamie Jackson has said so far has came true.

They're paid to supply stories. If there's none they won't turn around and say "sorry, no news today"

RasTa · 14-08-2014 10:42AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

They're clearly just paid based on how many people want to read what they write. How true or not it is doesn't come in to it.

Will I Amnt wrote: »

They're paid to supply stories. If there's none they won't turn around and say "sorry, no news today"

That's pretty much what I said. Just creative writing who's topic is football.

Maximus Alexander · 14-08-2014 10:43AM

RasTa wrote: »

That's pretty much what I said. Just creative writing who's topic is football.

Yeah I wasn't contradicting you, but +1 posts are frowned upon.

Mitch Connor · 14-08-2014 10:44AM

the cynicism and dismissal of every football journalist is hilarious.

homerjay2005 · 14-08-2014 10:46AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

They're clearly just paid based on how many people want to read what they write. How true or not it is doesn't come in to it.

i 100% disagree here. i have a very good friend who is a journalist (rasta will confirm this as would many other posters who know me) and ive been out with him on nights out when he gets info on certain things that are happening, ive been out with him when he had to go home and rewrite an article he had already submitted as he got new info, which changed the entire piece, etc etc .

they are paid for quality, if they write s*ite they wont last long. they write on what they are told. a club for example will have 10-20 targets every summer, but may only be able to land two or three. maybe 8-10 of those will make the media, but just because some of them dont happen, doesnt mean the sources were lying. then add into the make up, that you have agents looking for contracts or wage rises causing trouble, but its not just the press that get led astray here, its chairmans, boards and entire clubs.

and based on this, its why i tend to take what the proper reports out there in good faith. (ie those who dont work for the sun, tribalB*llix and those ilk.).

of course you have the spoofers who cover their arses with everything, but as i said you can spot them and ignore quickly.

bucketybuck · 14-08-2014 10:47AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

cost £30million apparently so he would want to be good. but it begs the question, is he 3rd choice (after Hummels and Vermaelen) or if he isnt, why have we only started to act now on him and not since May when it was clear we needed at least 2 top class defenders.

Hey, this isn't championship manager mate, you can't just bid on two players at the same time.

Giggsy11 · 14-08-2014 10:48AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

anybody able to give an honest assessment of Benatia?

cost £30million apparently so he would want to be good. but it begs the question, is he 3rd choice (after Hummels and Vermaelen) or if he isnt, why have we only started to act now on him and not since May when it was clear we needed at least 2 top class defenders.

IMO Benatia is just awesome signing. He is better suited to us than Hummels. Also I don't think he is 3rd choice, just that he is out of our reach maybe as City were trying to sign him but failed to complete it.

Corvo · 14-08-2014 10:50AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

the cynicism and dismissal of every football journalist is hilarious.

I do think Miguel Delaney is a spoofer however, leaves his articles wide open for most possibilities

homerjay2005 · 14-08-2014 10:51AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

the cynicism and dismissal of every football journalist is hilarious.

its something that has really taken over this place in the last 12 months. it pretty much is -

journalist writes a good story about the club = he is great.
journalist writes a story that portrays incompetence = he is a **** and a spoofer.

Maximus Alexander · 14-08-2014 10:52AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i 100% disagree here. i have a very good friend who is a journalist (rasta will confirm this as would many other posters who know me) and ive been our with him on nights out when he gets info on certain things that are happening, ive been out with him when he had to go home and rewrite an article he had already submitted as he got new info, which changed the entire piece, etc etc .

they are paid for quality, if they write s*ite they wont last long. they write on what they are told. a club for example will have 10-20 targets every summer, but may only be able to land two or three. maybe 8-10 of those will make the media, but just because some of them dont happen, doesnt mean the sources were lying. then add into the make up, that you have agents looking for contracts or wage rises causing trouble, but its not just the press that get led astray here, its chairmans, boards and entire clubs.

and based on this, its why i tend to take what the proper reports out there in good faith. (ie those who dont work for the sun, tribalB*llix and those ilk.

of course you have the spoofers who cover their arses with everything, but as i said you can spot them and ignore quickly.

What I said doesn't in any way contradict this. If your articles are crap, you won't get paid. If people are reading them, you'll keep your job, regardless of whether or not there's any truth to them.

I'm not saying sports journalists never have the inside scoop, of course they do, because that's how you write interesting articles. But when they don't have a scoop, they still have a column to write, so they start making assumptions and piecing together a plausible story based on guesswork, which is pretty much no better than what we all do on here day in, day out.

So while it's worth keeping abreast of the news and having an idea what is happening out there, you also have to remain pretty cynical because a decent portion of the time, they have little to no exclusive knowledge. That's why I have a serious problem with people saying "x said his secret source said y, so the club have f*cked up" for example.

Mitch Connor · 14-08-2014 10:53AM

Corvo wrote: »

I do think Miguel Delaney is a spoofer however, leaves his articles wide open for most possibilities

So you think United have 1 or 2 targets - as opposed to a number of targets. fair enough, you think United are even worse ran than I do.

NTMK · 14-08-2014 10:54AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

anybody able to give an honest assessment of Benatia?

cost £30million apparently so he would want to be good. but it begs the question, is he 3rd choice (after Hummels and Vermaelen) or if he isnt, why have we only started to act now on him and not since May when it was clear we needed at least 2 top class defenders.

Ive never seen him play but the roma fan i work with likes him (but he also liked lamela:pac:)

he moved to roma for 13mill with 2 players so his fee lasts season was 16-18mill at most

I cant answer what our priorities are it can be 1 or 2 defenders depending on how you look at our formation being ie 433, we need 1 imo or 532 we need 2.

Imo we were looking at 4-3-3 if we can get a suitable player in mid but the 5-3-2 is needed for injuries

bangkok · 14-08-2014 10:54AM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Don't care about money at this stage. Question is would Nani or Chico improve our first 11 and would Vidal improve our first 11

On another note i think our big problem now and has been for years is that Manchester doesn't seem to be an attractive enough proposition when pitted against the cities of Madrid, Munich, Barcelona or dare i say it London.

We more often than not get drawn into a long drawn out transfer as the player drags his heels hoping that the other clubs step in. Plenty of cases where we appeared to have the deal done only for it to change at the 11th hour.

At the end of the day these players are millionaires at the top level very young and lifestyle is as important to them as the club they play for. A young lad in Argentina or Spain doesn't grow up one day hoping to play for Man Utd unfortunately

probably not but the same young lad doesn't want to play for Chelsea arsenal or Liverpool either, just the way it is, they grew up in a hotter country, their native language is probably Spanish and lets face it, Madrid and Barcelona are probably the biggest 2 teams on the planet

RasTa · 14-08-2014 10:55AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its something that has really taken over this place in the last 12 months. it pretty much is -

journalist writes a good story about the club = he is great.
journalist writes a story that portrays incompetence = he is a **** and a spoofer.

Not really in fairness, just disagree that they know something we don't and they get paid by what they know. I can't even think of a good story about the club written by a journalist.

Maximus Alexander · 14-08-2014 10:55AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its something that has really taken over this place in the last 12 months. it pretty much is -

journalist writes a good story about the club = he is great.
journalist writes a story that portrays incompetence = he is a **** and a spoofer.

It's not though, these sorts of discussions have been happening here and elsewhere for years. And the second part of your post could easily be turned around and directed right back at you.

homerjay2005 · 14-08-2014 10:56AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Hey, this isn't championship manager mate, you can't just bid on two players at the same time.

eh? of course you can, though it appears that at United we cant - that needs to change in the next two weeks tho.

Mitch Connor · 14-08-2014 10:57AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its something that has really taken over this place in the last 12 months. it pretty much is -

journalist writes a good story about the club = he is great.
journalist writes a story that portrays incompetence = he is a **** and a spoofer.

Also - the simple fact is Miguel writes very few transfer related stories. He general does opinion and research pieces, or match reports. So the idea that he writes fictional stuff he made up just doesn't sit with me - why would he bother his hole to do so when he is already getting paid for the other stuff.

If he was pumping out transfer stuff every day your argument would have weight (I would still disagree as Miguel is not someone I have know to lie in such a way, in the years I knew him) - but as his transfer stuff is fairly irregular I just don't see why he would irregularly chose to lie.

homerjay2005 · 14-08-2014 11:01AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

And the second part of your post could easily be turned around and directed right back at you.

in what way? i dont have many (if any) problems with the press (which is what we are talking about here) apart from what i have said apart the likes of Sun and co writers.

if you are suggesting that i only believe the negative stories about the club, then most of whats been written last year or so hasnt exactly been positive has it?

im quite happy to believe for example that we were genuinely interested in the likes of Kroos and it was LVG that pulled the deal, as opposed to the club f*cking it up.

now of course it could be lies, but i dont really blame the club for it, LVG perhaps just didnt think he would fit in (not saying we would have got him by the way).

The Moldy Gowl · 14-08-2014 11:04AM

Hey, remember that time we signed a midfielder.

That was fun, we should do it again sometime.

Your Airbag · 14-08-2014 11:04AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its something that has really taken over this place in the last 12 months. it pretty much is -

journalist writes a good story about the club = he is great.
journalist writes a story that portrays incompetence = he is a **** and a spoofer.

Not at all.

Hom many journos reported about Shaw/Herrera getting done that quickly? Nothing was reported around the time it happened.

Instead they were running their usual clutching at straws for any target available. Cesc, Kroos, Sneijder etc etc

98% of transfer articles are complete guess work and fabrication, people realise this and that ESPN article is no exceptions.

Its funny you try to accuse people of reading into articles in their favor when everything negative reported is a "look i was right about Woodward, he is a joker" scenario.

Cookiemunster · 14-08-2014 11:04AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its something that has really taken over this place in the last 12 months. it pretty much is -

journalist writes a good story about the club = he is great.
journalist writes a story that portrays incompetence = he is a **** and a spoofer.

My main issue with Delaneys article is his claims of sources telling him all these stories. Why are these sources not giving anything to the Manchester based journos but telling London based Delaney everything?

Copper_pipe · 14-08-2014 11:05AM

Just seen my posts from last night... Many apologies

NTMK · 14-08-2014 11:05AM

I dont think Delaney is a spoofer at at as had been said above and im not one of the "Doom Merchants" on here

Delaney is a solid journo with a decent source of info but **** hits the fan sometimes (Thiago) and it can make a journo look like a spoofer.

Cookiemunster · 14-08-2014 11:06AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Hey, remember that time we signed a midfielder.

That was fun, we should do it again sometime.

Yeah I remember it like it was only 6 weeks ago.

Coat22 · 14-08-2014 11:07AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Hey, remember that time we signed a midfielder.

That was fun, we should do it again sometime.

No it wasn't - it was Kleberson / Djemba Djemba / Anderson and it was crap (but fun at the time as we all thought they were "the next Roy Keane")
:cool:

Blatter · 14-08-2014 11:09AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I disagree about Miguel, he does, imo and the opinion of others I would trust, have a good line at United.

Certain posters keep on saying this, but what exactly has Delaney called for people to believe this? And when I say called, I'm talking about providing genuinely insightful information that we hadn't already seen somewhere else.

On the other hand, there's been plenty of occasions where we can befairly sure he's been talking complete sh*te.

The concept of blind faith has been thrown around here recently. It certainly lends itself to Delaney fans imo.

Your Airbag · 14-08-2014 11:09AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

My main issue with Delaneys article is his claims of sources telling him all these stories. Why are these sources not giving anything to the Manchester based journos but telling London based Delaney everything?

Exactly. There are some journos who have built a complete mythical ITK repuation for themselves and gulible people lap it up.

Look at Ogden this summer, he has been cringe worthy. His constant reporting of excluives from his insiders at OT have been nothing better than anyone else.

Nobody knows whats happening until it happens or its decided they should be let know.

ESPN reporting LVG is unhappy is laughable. Did they meet on the tram to OT this morning or something?

Coat22 · 14-08-2014 11:10AM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Just seen my posts from last night... Many apologies

Good lad Young Pipe – no harm in going after some drunk leaving cert rumpy – would do it myself but their dads are probably mates of mine

SherlockWatson · 14-08-2014 11:19AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its something that has really taken over this place in the last 12 months. it pretty much is -

journalist writes a good story about the club = he is great.
journalist writes a story that portrays incompetence = he is a **** and a spoofer.

More like,

Journalist writes a story you agree with - He's great.

Journalist writes a story you disagree with - He's shìt.

Copper_pipe · 14-08-2014 11:20AM

Coat22 wrote: »

Good lad Young Pipe – no harm in going after some drunk leaving cert rumpy – would do it myself but their dads are probably mates of mine

BallyBunion is a great spot!

I see Sky sports have mentioned Vidal on their transfer touchscreen thingy, its on!

Also Vidal has tweeted in English, which he never does.

Young pipe lives in hope

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