Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

bumper234 · 13-08-2014 03:30PM

Add another few innocent lives lost to the Israeli death machine

http://news.sky.com/story/1318010/journalist-killed-in-gaza-missile-blast

An Italian journalist was among five people killed when an unexploded missile detonated in northern Gaza.

The blast, in Beit Lahiya, happened as bomb squad officers attempted to dismantle the device on Wednesday.

Mr.Micro · 13-08-2014 03:37PM

WakeUp wrote: »

Liberman calls for spurning of UN human rights probe:

"Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman said on Wednesday that Israel should not cooperate with the UN Human Rights Council probe into the conflict in Gaza, and threatened the lives of top Hamas leaders if the terror group doesn’t return the bodies of two IDF soldiers who were killed in the fighting."

"Speaking while on a tour of southern Israel, the hard-line minister decried the investigative panel to be led by Prof. William Schabas, and urged that Israel not participate in its activities to avoid giving it any form of approval."
http://www.timesofisrael.com/liberman-calls-for-spurning-of-un-human-rights-probe/

the weasel. Apartheid Israeli government really are a "law" unto themselves. the excuse makers. if they have nothing to hide then cooperate with the world. unless...

Does Israel recognize anything legitimate? Then again, that would mean rules, laws and other things, that should hinder it's murder campaign.

BlaasForRafa · 13-08-2014 03:44PM

bumper234 wrote: »

Add another few innocent lives lost to the Israeli death machine

http://news.sky.com/story/1318010/journalist-killed-in-gaza-missile-blast

You mean Hamas recklessly tried to dismantle a dud missile without taking proper safety precautions. Any responsible bomb disposal experts would have put up a cordon around their activity to minimise casualties in case something went wrong but Hamas don't give a crap about "collateral damage" so they let a reporter, his cameraman and fixer watch while they work on a missile. Crazy.

Rayne Wooney · 13-08-2014 03:47PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You mean Hamas recklessly tried to dismantle a dud missile without taking proper safety precautions. Any responsible bomb disposal experts would have put up a cordon around their activity to minimise casualties in case something went wrong but Hamas don't give a crap about "collateral damage" so they let a reporter, his cameraman and fixer watch while they work on a missile. Crazy.

They must have missed the annual Hamas training day for bomb disposal expertise

BlaasForRafa · 13-08-2014 03:48PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Now that you mention it, I've yet to see any of the pro-Israel people condemn the actions of Kim Jong-un

Huh? Kim Jong-un has nothing to do with this subject. Oh except for supplying weapons to Hamas and training them in how to build better tunnels that is.

Little CuChulainn · 13-08-2014 03:48PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You mean Hamas recklessly tried to dismantle a dud missile without taking proper safety precautions. Any responsible bomb disposal experts would have put up a cordon around their activity to minimise casualties in case something went wrong but Hamas don't give a crap about "collateral damage" so they let a reporter, his cameraman and fixer watch while they work on a missile. Crazy.

Yeah they should have just left it there and hoped it didn't go off. i wonder what Palestinian college they got their bomb disposal degree in?

Herb Powell · 13-08-2014 03:51PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You mean Hamas recklessly tried to dismantle a dud missile without taking proper safety precautions. Any responsible bomb disposal experts would have put up a cordon around their activity to minimise casualties in case something went wrong but Hamas don't give a crap about "collateral damage" so they let a reporter, his cameraman and fixer watch while they work on a missile. Crazy.

The IDF, on the other hand, being moral and responsible, just lob actual viable missiles into civillian areas.

Please.

Little CuChulainn · 13-08-2014 03:51PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Huh? Kim Jong-un has nothing to do with this subject. Oh except for supplying weapons to Hamas and training them in how to build better tunnels that is.

Isis have nothing to do with it either. Yet somehow they keep getting brought up as some kind of evidence that Pro Palestine is pro terrorism. By that same logic I am equating pro-Israel to pro North Korea.

ElChe32 · 13-08-2014 03:54PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Huh? Kim Jong-un has nothing to do with this subject. Oh except for supplying weapons to Hamas and training them in how to build better tunnels that is.

The Jews that used tunnels for food and weapons in the Warsaw ghettos were described as heroes standing up to their oppressors. How do they differ from Palestinians today and their use of tunnels?

end of the road · 13-08-2014 04:05PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You mean Hamas recklessly tried to dismantle a dud missile without taking proper safety precautions. Any responsible bomb disposal experts would have put up a cordon around their activity to minimise casualties in case something went wrong but Hamas don't give a crap about "collateral damage" so they let a reporter, his cameraman and fixer watch while they work on a missile. Crazy.

these weren't hamas, this was during the IDF rape and murder campain

Santa Cruz · 13-08-2014 04:06PM

Health and Safety innit?

end of the road · 13-08-2014 04:10PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Does Israel recognize anything legitimate? Then again, that would mean rules, laws and other things, that should hinder it's murder campaign.

but but, israel is special, because people from the religion of the country were murdered in mass many years ago, of course disabled, gay, and anyone who didn't fit the idea of perfection were also murdered yet the israely isis like governments will never realize it wasn't just jews who were killed

chicken foot · 13-08-2014 04:14PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You mean Hamas recklessly tried to dismantle a dud missile without taking proper safety precautions. Any responsible bomb disposal experts would have put up a cordon around their activity to minimise casualties in case something went wrong but Hamas don't give a crap about "collateral damage" so they let a reporter, his cameraman and fixer watch while they work on a missile. Crazy.

LOL sure of course they should have called the Bomb Disposal Team, arent they just around the corner near the Government buildings, right next to army headquar....oh wait, sorry, this is Palestine we are talking about, you know, that tiny little over populated strip with absolutely feck all to call their own and even less to call their own since the Moral Army that is the IDF blew the place to bits over a month long bombardment that killed thousands and rendered hundreds of thousands homeless!! These people have NOTHING! Why can you not get that into your head??

That is the closest modern day equiviliant I have heard yet to the famous "let them eat cake!"

bumper234 · 13-08-2014 04:15PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Huh? Kim Jong-un has nothing to do with this subject. Oh except for supplying weapons to Hamas and training them in how to build better tunnels that is.

I think if auld Kim was spotted walking down Gaza main street it would'a made the news.

Dan_Solo · 13-08-2014 04:17PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

If you don't understand the mechanisms of warfare and the legal framework surrounding it, I can't help you.

Fishing boat breaks blockade, naval forces intercept, fire warning shots, fishing boat goes home, nobody killed. That's the way it's supposed to work.

Well hammered back where it came from by others at this stage, but there are no legal mechanisms for enforcing an illegal blockade. There is no possible way "it's supposed to work".

Dan_Solo · 13-08-2014 04:20PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Any responsible bomb disposal experts would have put up a cordon around their activity to minimise casualties

Oh, like the way the IDF ban all reporters from being anywhere near their operations, and will shoot at them if the don't comply, "for their own safety"?

BlaasForRafa · 13-08-2014 04:23PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Yeah they should have just left it there and hoped it didn't go off. i wonder what Palestinian college they got their bomb disposal degree in?

I didn't say that but don't let the facts get in the way of your bias. Hamas operatives are well trained in how to put together bombs and rockets, there's no reason to think that a number of them haven't been trained in bomb disposal techniques, most likely by Iran, Syria or their other allies. Some of you lot seem to have very strange ideas about Hamas, like they are just some kind of enthusiastic amateurs or something. Hamas operatives in some cases train for years, they seem to have reasonable expertise in various areas yet some of you lot like to portray them as plucky losers having a go, they shouldn't be underestimated.

But they should have taken precautions to make sure that no-one outside of the bomb disposal team got injured but they simply don't care if non-Hamas people are killed.

Dan_Solo · 13-08-2014 04:40PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I didn't say that but don't let the facts get in the way of your bias. Hamas operatives are well trained in how to put together bombs and rockets, there's no reason to think that a number of them haven't been trained in bomb disposal techniques, most likely by Iran, Syria or their other allies. Some of you lot seem to have very strange ideas about Hamas, like they are just some kind of enthusiastic amateurs or something. Hamas operatives in some cases train for years, they seem to have reasonable expertise in various areas yet some of you lot like to portray them as plucky losers having a go, they shouldn't be underestimated.

Yes, compared to Israel with their free US hardware and ammunition resupplies and their illegal nuclear arsenal, Hamas and the AK47s and home made rockets are really a force to be reckoned with. No wonder everybody's cheering for the baby killing IDF underdogs.

end of the road · 13-08-2014 04:48PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I didn't say that but don't let the facts get in the way of your bias. Hamas operatives are well trained in how to put together bombs and rockets, there's no reason to think that a number of them haven't been trained in bomb disposal techniques, most likely by Iran, Syria or their other allies. Some of you lot seem to have very strange ideas about Hamas, like they are just some kind of enthusiastic amateurs or something. Hamas operatives in some cases train for years, they seem to have reasonable expertise in various areas yet some of you lot like to portray them as plucky losers having a go, they shouldn't be underestimated.

But they should have taken precautions to make sure that no-one outside of the bomb disposal team got injured but they simply don't care if non-Hamas people are killed.

just like the IDF don't care about civilians, even some of their own who might be the "rong" type of jew

Dan_Solo · 13-08-2014 04:52PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

The blockade may be unfair, it may be excessive, it may be a political liability.... but it's legal and has been for centuries.

Laughable.
You've descended from deliberate misdirection to utter lies.

whatstherush · 13-08-2014 04:55PM

Don't know if anyone posted this yet, it looks pretty real to me and pretty damning, if its IDF soliders in Gaza. Maybe our resident army dude MM can verify from uniforms weaponry etc... on the zoom in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUibXSgILv0

Edit Google maps showing Al Khalil in Hebron, in the West bank, not Gaza as I previously thought

Dan_Solo · 13-08-2014 05:03PM

whatstherush wrote: »

Don't know if anyone posted this yet, it looks pretty real to me and pretty damning, if its IDF soliders in Gaza. Maybe our resident army dude MM can verify from uniforms weaponry etc... on the zoom in.

No doubt he will also tell us why it is justified and legal under international law.

Dan_Solo · 13-08-2014 05:06PM

whatstherush wrote: »

Edit Google maps showing Al Khalil in Hebron, in the West bank, not Gaza as I previously thought

Hang on, the pro-Zionist have been waffling on about Israel loving peace and how wonderful things would be if Hamas would just stop their pesky defending "their land" from Israeli invasion.

Gringo180 · 13-08-2014 05:15PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Fishing boat breaks blockade, naval forces intercept, fire warning shots, fishing boat goes home, nobody killed. That's the way it's supposed to work.

"Ayyash said Israeli naval forces had been preventing fishermen from fishing in the area, even within the "authorized fishing zone."

So how did it break the blockade when they were fishing in an authorized zone?

My name is URL · 13-08-2014 05:39PM

Just seen this on Reddit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2dcevu/israel_to_allow_gay_jews_to_immigrate_with/

Israel To Allow Gay Jews To Immigrate With Non-Jewish Same-Sex Spouses

It's been touted as a sign of how tolerant and progressive Israel is, and all the comments that point out how it's actually just as backward as not allowing gay people to immigrate are being downvoted into oblivion.

I mean they won't allow gay jewish couples into Israel ffs! They also don't allow for Jewish people to marry non-Jewish people inside of Israel

How anyone can claim that it's a secular, tolerant and progressive society is beyond me. They allow their mad beliefs dictate their laws just as much as their neighbors do.

Dan_Solo · 13-08-2014 05:42PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It's been touted as a sign of how tolerant and progressive Israel is, and all the comments that point out how it's actually just as backward as not allowing gay people to immigrate are being downvoted into oblivion.

Although their diplomatic crew coming out with ****e like saying anybody anti-Zionist has "problems with their sexual identity" doesn't say a whole heap about their LGBT credentials does it.

blackwhite · 13-08-2014 05:49PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Just seen this on Reddit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2dcevu/israel_to_allow_gay_jews_to_immigrate_with/

It's been touted as a sign of how tolerant and progressive Israel is, and all the comments that point out how it's actually just as backward as not allowing gay people to immigrate are being downvoted into oblivion.

I mean they won't allow gay jewish couples into Israel ffs! They also don't allow for Jewish people to marry non-Jewish people inside of Israel

How anyone can claim that it's a secular, tolerant and progressive society is beyond me. They allow their mad beliefs dictate their laws just as much as their neighbors do.

What exactly does this have to do with the Israeli attacks on Palestine?

Anyway, I think you've completely misinterpreted the story.

In a directive publicized Tuesday, Israeli Interior Minister Gideon Saar told immigration authorities not to differentiate between married gay and straight couples.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/12/israel-gay-jews-immigration-_n_5671435.html

Israel has previously had a policy whereby a non-Jewish person could immigrate to Israel if they were married to a Jewish person who was also immigrating. However, in the past they only extended this right to straight married couples.

They have now changed this policy so that gay/lesbian married couples are now entitled to immigrate to Israel if one of the couple is Jewish.

Dan_Solo · 13-08-2014 05:52PM

blackwhite wrote: »

What exactly does this have to do with the Israeli attacks on Palestine?

Because Israel's supposed "Western-ness" has been used repeatedly in this thread to attempt to ascribe some sort of moral superiority compared to Palestine which is supposed to make us side with them for some reason.

blackwhite wrote: »

They have now changed this policy so that gay/lesbian married couples are now entitled to immigrate to Israel if one of the couple is Jewish.

Phew. Now they're only racist and not homophobic. Progress, eh?

end of the road · 13-08-2014 06:07PM

blackwhite wrote: »

What exactly does this have to do with the Israeli attacks on Palestine?

Anyway, I think you've completely misinterpreted the story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/12/israel-gay-jews-immigration-_n_5671435.html

Israel has previously had a policy whereby a non-Jewish person could immigrate to Israel if they were married to a Jewish person who was also immigrating. However, in the past they only extended this right to straight married couples.

They have now changed this policy so that gay/lesbian married couples are now entitled to immigrate to Israel if one of the couple is Jewish.

how lovely of them, their government and military is still no better then isis

My name is URL · 13-08-2014 06:20PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Because Israel's supposed "Western-ness" has been used repeatedly in this thread to attempt to ascribe some sort of moral superiority compared to Palestine which is supposed to make us side with them for some reason.

Yeah.. pretty much that. When you hear those defending and justifying Israeli actions in Palestine by pointing out how backward Palestinians are; and claiming that Israel is a bastion of personal freedoms, equal human rights and democracy.. it should always be pointed out that it's bull**** of the highest order.

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