Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

GSPfan · 12-08-2014 03:55PM

At this stage the possibility of Rojo and remote possibility of Vidal with Shaw and Herrera would have to be classed as a good Summer if it all comes together.

IF.

smurfs5 · 12-08-2014 03:55PM

Anyone heard anything on new additions to the coaching staff? Phil Neville (BBC) and Paul Scholes (ITV & BT Sport) have either left or been ditched so has LVG already appointed enough backroom staff or are there positions to fill? It's unlikely but a return for Rene Meulensteen to fill Neville's role perhaps?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 12-08-2014 03:55PM

Don't know much about Rojo but have faith in LVG's judgement. One step in the right direction if this one comes off, thankfully!

Will I Amnt · 12-08-2014 03:56PM

I believe it's a done deal simply because I haven't heard a stitch about it until now.

Can't wait to hear the inevitable excuses from the ITKs :pac:

MagicIRL · 12-08-2014 03:58PM

So this Rojo lad, it's come out of the blue like Herrera?

TheDoc · 12-08-2014 03:58PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

What happened with Rossi should be a cautionary tale when it comes to leaning out some of our best young talent. Always think they're far better being nurtured at OT and given some game time with United rather than go elsewhere where your not in charge of what they're doing.

Have to say always wonder why we farm our players out to lower standards.

we have such a great youth system and setup as the club would have you believe, should we not insist on players going to either Premier league clubs, or top division sides arounds europe.

I can only assume being part of a first team setup regularly "anywhere" is actually better developement then keeping them at the club working with our coaches.

Which raises the questions do we only concern ourselves with players who have outragously obvious talent, and that we arn't too bothered working with our youth players once they reach 17,18,19. They either have clear unique quality attributes, or they are going elsewhere.

I get the sense big clubs send players out on loan in the hope they just magically turn into superstars.

It's such a weird system.

12-08-2014 03:59PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

A few minutes ago you thought he was a lb and never seen him at cb but your not convinced he is good enough. You have never seen him play a game at cb so i am not sure how you can be convinced he is not good enough.

Yes and that's why I stated thereafter I only watched him in the WC. I know **** all about so I stand corrected. An opinion on what he's like would be nice. No need to get your panties in a twist.

Backstreet Moyes · 12-08-2014 04:01PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Have to say always wonder why we farm our players out to lower standards.

we have such a great youth system and setup as the club would have you believe, should we not insist on players going to either Premier league clubs, or top division sides arounds europe.

I can only assume being part of a first team setup regularly "anywhere" is actually better developement then keeping them at the club working with our coaches.

Which raises the questions do we only concern ourselves with players who have outragously obvious talent, and that we arn't too bothered working with our youth players once they reach 17,18,19. They either have clear unique quality attributes, or they are going elsewhere.

I get the sense big clubs send players out on loan in the hope they just magically turn into superstars.

It's such a weird system.

Big clubs send out players on loan because first team football is what helps players develop. It's hard for young players to get games at big clubs unless they are a special talent at a very young age.

bmcc10 · 12-08-2014 04:06PM

Sporting fans rate him very highly as a CB, Few complaints about his discipline though saying he'll be brilliant for a while then go and do something stupid or get sent off then go back to been brilliant and so on, From the world cup he seemed like a fairly aggressive and tough player while playing at LB, i thought he'd a good tournament overall, At the price there saying you'd have to be happier than if we'd signed Vermalen.

DM_7 · 12-08-2014 04:07PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Finding the right thing to do with young players is very tough and very important. Van Gaal has a proven track record of bringing through young talent which is something i think is very important.

Wilson, Lingard, Janjuaz, Zaha, Keane and Powell i really have high hopes for over the next year or two.

Wilson looks like a lad who is still growing physically and would probably be better off at Carrington. I think he needed help/encouragement off the field as well last season from Giggs, lordgoat or Mitch may have mentioned it

You are right, its different needs for different players though.

Backstreet Moyes · 12-08-2014 04:07PM

If this Rojo deal get's done in a day or two out of the blue it will delight me. Not because he is world class, but it proves the press know nothing about our dealings. It would also give me belief we will bring in a few more signings.

UnitedIrishman · 12-08-2014 04:09PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Big clubs send out players on loan because first team football is what helps players develop. It's hard for young players to get games at big clubs unless they are a special talent at a very young age.

Issue here is though that if they are an exceptional talent then they will be close to the first team squad anyways.

Rarely if ever do young players who are not exceptional go on loan, get significantly better and come back into a top four side.

Backstreet Moyes · 12-08-2014 04:09PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Yes and that's why I stated thereafter I only watched him in the WC. I know **** all about so I stand corrected. An opinion on what he's like would be nice. No need to get your panties in a twist.

Ye my bad been one of those days i know little about him myself. The news of a player close to signing should have me in good humor.

bmcc10 · 12-08-2014 04:10PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

If this Rojo deal get's done in a day or two out of the blue it will delight me. Not because he is world class, but it proves the press know nothing about our dealings. It would also give me belief we will bring in a few more signings.

And the ITK's on here.

s8n · 12-08-2014 04:10PM

Any chance of sending Anderson back to Portugal as part of the deal ?

v3ttel · 12-08-2014 04:14PM

I'd be happy to see us sign Marcos Rojo. We badly need a CB, he's a good age, left footed, can cover at LB/LWB, very aggressive. He reminds me a bit of Gabriel Heinze.

I think he's a better option than an injury prone 29 year old, Vermaelen.

12-08-2014 04:15PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Ye my bad been one of those days i know little about him myself. The news of a player close to signing should have me in good humor.

No worries

I really do love the under the radar dealings.
Let's hope di maria or Vidal get done like this too.

Montroseee · 12-08-2014 04:15PM

I can't believe there are people on here saying he was poor in the WC, don't see how you could come to that conclusion based on his performances.

Backstreet Moyes · 12-08-2014 04:15PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Issue here is though that if they are an exceptional talent then they will be close to the first team squad anyways.

Rarely if ever do young players who are not exceptional go on loan, get significantly better and come back into a top four side.

Yes of course it is tough. At United i can only think of Wellbeck and Evans who have gone on loan, done well and be involved in the first team.

Then you look at the likes of Jones at 17 looked a superstar and should have gone on loan. If he had got a good loan he would be a big player for United by now imo.

MagicMarker · 12-08-2014 04:16PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Yes of course it is tough. At United i can only think of Wellbeck and Evans who have gone on loan, done well and be involved in the first team..

Cleverley.

bmcc10 · 12-08-2014 04:16PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

No worries
I really do love the under the radar dealings.
Let's hope di maria or Vidal get done like this too.

Where just signing Rojo to help fellow South Americans settle in.

Will I Amnt · 12-08-2014 04:17PM

So if this goes through, of the 3 signings made, 2 have given up Champions League football to join United and depending on who you believe, the other chose United over a team with Champions League football...

MagicIRL · 12-08-2014 04:17PM

Can anyone point me to where this news is coming from?

beno619 · 12-08-2014 04:18PM

Where have the local doom mongers gone ?

If Rojo goes through it proves papers don't have a clue about what's going on inside the club and who our targets are, by extension us fans don't have a clue.

In LVG we trust !

12-08-2014 04:19PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Can anyone point me to where this news is coming from?

SSN

Maximus Alexander · 12-08-2014 04:20PM

beno619 wrote: »

If Rojo goes through it proves papers don't have a clue about what's going on inside the club and who our targets are, by extension us fans don't have a clue.

I'd have thought that the papers being filled with bullsh*t stories all summer that never come to fruition already proves this.

Billy86 · 12-08-2014 04:21PM

It will be interesting if we sign him but I'm not over the moon about it (not necessarily down on it either). It helps that he can play at LB or CB, but I honestly have not seen much of him at CB and was quite unimpressed by him at LB during the WC. He wasn't awful or anything, solid enough defensively and I guess it makes sense as he was a CB playing FB, but particularly going forward he was very uninspiring for my mind.

I would prefer Blind, a CB and a CM while clearing out some guys like Anderson Young and Fellaini, but if Blind meant the end of our CM work I guess this option might be favourable.

Quandary · 12-08-2014 04:21PM

Rojo would be a very useful addition to the team. Decent cover for LB and CB. Lets hope the deal gets pushed through quickly so we can move on to getting that other CM.

Herrera, New CM, Shaw, Rojo - that would have us in a good position heading into the new season. If the other CM turned out to be Vidal it would be a great transfer window.

Fingers crossed we get our business done now.

Rayne Wooney · 12-08-2014 04:22PM

"Far from Rojo's biggest fan. As I said, not good enough for a top club, in my opinion, neither as a left-back or centre-back."

"Marcos Rojo is far better(or less of a risk) as a full-back than centre-back. He don't seem to understand how to mark or position himself."

From a Portuguese football journalist Jan Hagen who watched a lot of him

In LVG we trust then.

Adamcp898 · 12-08-2014 04:22PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Can anyone point me to where this news is coming from?

M!Ck^ wrote: »

SSN

Hoping the ''Sky Sources'' isn't just the Daily Express article that was written saying the same thing though.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

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