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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #3542
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    porsche959 wrote: »
    If these Arab & Islamic states, with exception of Iran, are so peace loving and genuinely want a peaceful solution for Israel and Palestine, then can someone explain to me why it is that in the Arab lands that surround Israe, which are seemingly 600 times its size in land area, but somehow they can't find any room for Palestinian refugees?

    There could be a number of reasons. For example, if they open their borders and take in all the Palestinians then Israel will complete their occupation with much less hassle and become a much more formidable state. What's to stop them turning their attention on one of their neighbours when they decide they want more? Also, Israel consider Palestinians to be terrorists so any country that takes in refugees would effectively be harboring terrorists from the point of view of Israel and they could justify turning their homicidal attention to someone else.


  • #3543
    Phonehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭Phonehead


    porsche959 wrote: »
    If these Arab & Islamic states, with exception of Iran, are so peace loving and genuinely want a peaceful solution for Israel and Palestine, then can someone explain to me why it is that in the Arab lands that surround Israe, which are seemingly 600 times its size in land area, but somehow they can't find any room for Palestinian refugees?

    Is this the most idiotic statement we've had on this subject?


  • #3544
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Can you clarify, do you favour the destruction of the state of Israel.
    You accused me of this too and failed utterly to provide a quote from me to back this up when requested.
    I guess it's on the "questions to ignore as I've been rumbled" list now too.


  • #3545
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Is there a point? I'm just going to be accused of being a Zionofascist whatever I say.
    No, I guess there's no point you defining the borders of Israel as you never know when they're going to steal some more do you?


  • #3546
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    porsche959 wrote: »
    If these Arab & Islamic states, with exception of Iran, are so peace loving and genuinely want a peaceful solution for Israel and Palestine, then can someone explain to me why it is that in the Arab lands that surround Israe, which are seemingly 600 times its size in land area, but somehow they can't find any room for Palestinian refugees?
    The countries that the racist state of Israel has adopted citizens from through the racist right of return often have plenty of room too.
    Why don't they just f**k off and stay there then?


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  • #3547
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    The countries that the racist state of Israel has adopted citizens from through the racist right of return often have plenty of room too.
    Why don't they just f**k off and stay there then?

    Good idea


    How many yanks have entered Israel and moved into illegal settlements? Maybe murica will take the displaced Palestinians and give them some of that freedom that they are always preaching about and forcing on countries.


  • #3548
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    porsche959 wrote: »
    If these Arab & Islamic states, with exception of Iran, are so peace loving and genuinely want a peaceful solution for Israel and Palestine, then can someone explain to me why it is that in the Arab lands that surround Israe, which are seemingly 600 times its size in land area, but somehow they can't find any room for Palestinian refugees?


    Maybe if you did some research before you asked that question, you'd be better off, and that's ignoring the moral quandary raised by facilitating ethnic cleansing.

    Could you give me an example of somebody being beheaded in the occupied territories?

    Also, could you get back to me on this post please?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...postcount=3372


  • #3549
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    From Amnesty International

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/mounting-evidence-deliberate-attacks-gaza-health-workers-israeli-army-2014-08-07


    Just read some of that link...
    “We were on our way back to Nasser hospital, driving with the lights and sirens on as always. The ambulance was clearly marked as such. The doctor, nurse and I were all wearing medical uniforms. When we reached the Islamic University I heard an explosion right next to us and the front and back windows of the car fell out. As I was turning another missile hit next to us, and then a third one. When the fourth missile hit, I lost control and we crashed, so we ran out of the car and found shelter in a building. Then there were two more missiles fired and some people were injured.”

    What kind of psychos fire at, misidentify or don't know that an ambulance is an ambulance? Nothing is safe in Gaza, everything is a 'legitimate' target when those Zionist stormtroopers place their crosshairs on you. I was chatting to a former colleague this morning and she's heading back out to the Al-Shifa Hospital in two weeks. This will be her third time out there and she's a real hero imo. But I will be worried sick about her.


  • #3550
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    If Bibi didn't know for sure he/Israel was guilty he would not need the US help

    http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Help-Israel-avoid-war-crimes-charges-Netanyahu-urges-US-lawmakers-370352

    http://nypost.com/2014/08/06/netanyahu-asks-us-to-help-israel-avoid-war-crime-charges/

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/7/netanyahu-asks-us-help-israel-avoid-war-crime/

    "Netanyahu asked the delegation to help Israel stay out of the International Criminal Court, where its attacks on Gaza could come under scrutiny"

    the weasel. if you have nothing to hide no case to answer then cooperate. unless...


  • #3551
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Nodin wrote: »
    Could you give me an example of somebody being beheaded in the occupied territories?

    No, I can't. I am not aware of any such examples and never said there were.

    The post by OldHippie commented in vague terms on "the region". I assumed he meant the entire region. There have most certainly been beheadings in the Middle East.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Also, could you get back to me on this post please?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...postcount=3372

    Your question to me as to whether the BBC are lying?

    On this issue, no idea whether they are or not. I don't view an organsiation that covered up child abusers in its ranks, and then threw journalistic standards out the window and libelled a retired politician in an attempt to deflect attention from its own failures, as the peak of all wisdom.


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  • #3552
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Your question to me as to whether the BBC are lying?

    On this issue, no idea whether they are or not. I don't view an organsiation that covered up child abusers in its ranks, and then threw journalistic standards out the window and libelled a retired politician in an attempt to deflect attention from its own failures, as the peak of all wisdom.
    Another farcical post.
    So if it isn't an IDF press release it's a lie?


  • #3553
    NotASheeple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭NotASheeple


    porsche959 wrote: »

    Your question to me as to whether the BBC are lying?

    On this issue, no idea whether they are or not. I don't view an organsiation that covered up child abusers in its ranks, and then threw journalistic standards out the window and libelled a retired politician in an attempt to deflect attention from its own failures, as the peak of all wisdom.

    The same BBC The was widely criticised for not allowing a Gaza aid appeal to go ahead in 2009. Yes, they're no friend of the Palestinians.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jan/24/bbc-gaza-palestine-aid-appeal

    Anyway, that's all you got after a marathon wait?


  • #3554
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Re freeing Gaza, I agree. Free Gaza from Hamas.

    Most Hamas rockets landed in Gaza.

    https://twitter.com/afagerbakke/status/497427304277348352/photo/1


  • #3555
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    NotASheeple wrote: »
    The same BBC The was widely criticised for not allowing a Gaza aid appeal to go ahead in 2009. Yes, they're no friend of the Palestinians.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jan/24/bbc-gaza-palestine-aid-appeal

    Anyway, that's all you got after a marathon wait?

    Marathon wait? Lol. Sorry but my life doesn't revolve around posting answers to, mostly ridiculous and/or leading questions put to me in this thread.


  • #3556
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Re freeing Gaza, I agree. Free Gaza from Hamas.

    Most Hamas rockets landed in Gaza.

    https://twitter.com/afagerbakke/status/497427304277348352/photo/1

    Then why the fluck is Israel ranting on and on about thousands of rockets scaring them ?


  • #3557
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Re freeing Gaza, I agree. Free Gaza from Hamas.

    Most Hamas rockets landed in Gaza.

    https://twitter.com/afagerbakke/status/497427304277348352/photo/1

    Ah yes, justification for the slaughter of nearly 400 innocent children in only a couple of weeks. Were Hamas not doing a good enough job for you? All this from a state that claims to be "civilised" and "the only democratic state in the middle east".

    Well that's a new twitter link from you. At least it's not one from the 'Ireland loves Israel' idiots.


  • #3558
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Re freeing Gaza, I agree. Free Gaza from Hamas.
    You seem to have forgotten that those democracy lovin' guys the USA and Israel tried to do exactly that when they funded a Fatah coup attempt against the fairly elected Hamas government in Gaza.
    And failed.


  • #3559
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Re freeing Gaza, I agree. Free Gaza from Hamas.

    Most Hamas rockets landed in Gaza.

    https://twitter.com/afagerbakke/status/497427304277348352/photo/1
    Hang on, the BBC is an unreliable source of information but some arsey twitter feed is?
    4 rlz?


  • #3560
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    porsche959 wrote: »


    Your question to me as to whether the BBC are lying?

    On this issue, no idea whether they are or not. I don't view an organsiation that covered up child abusers in its ranks, and then threw journalistic standards out the window and libelled a retired politician in an attempt to deflect attention from its own failures, as the peak of all wisdom.


    So do you or do you not accept that Israel used human shields as part of official policy?


  • #3561
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Nodin wrote: »
    So do you or do you not accept that Israel used human shields as part of official policy?

    I don't know. I will research the matter and form an opinion on it.


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  • #3562
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Hang on, the BBC is an unreliable source of information but some arsey twitter feed is?
    4 rlz?

    That cuts both ways, someone posted a link from the notoriously Jew hating site rense.com and not a single one of you had a problem with it until I pointed it out.


  • #3563
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    porsche959 wrote: »
    I don't know. I will research the matter and form an opinion on it.

    Not enough evidence posted here for you to form an opinion? :rolleyes:


  • #3564
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Channel 4 News is carrying claims that the IDF were given direct orders/permission to fire on unarmed civilians, which constitutes a war crime


  • #3565
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    porsche959 wrote: »
    I don't know. I will research the matter and form an opinion on it.

    Let me help you get started.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11807152
    Two Israeli soldiers convicted of using a Palestinian child as a human shield during an offensive in Gaza in 2009 have received suspended sentences and been demoted.

    The soldiers had forced the nine-year-old boy to open suspected booby-trapped bags at gunpoint.


  • #3566
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    porsche959 wrote: »
    That cuts both ways, someone posted a link from the notoriously Jew hating site rense.com and not a single one of you had a problem with it until I pointed it out.

    Who everyone admits to never hearing of until that day and a claim that you have yet to.prove despite being asked for evidence of your allegations MANY times.


  • #3567
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Who everyone admits to never hearing of until that day and a claim that you have yet to.prove despite being asked for evidence of your allegations MANY times.

    That is false.


  • #3568
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    porsche959 wrote: »
    That is false.

    What is?


  • #3569
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    dav3 wrote: »
    Let me help you get started.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11807152

    So here we have an article which states that two Israeli soldiers were found to be engaged in this activity and were sanctioned and demoted.

    And you are using this article in an attempt to prove that this was official sanctioned policy approved at the highest level?

    What, quite frankly, is the matter with you?


  • #3570
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    bumper234 wrote: »
    What is?

    Your assertion that I did not provide proof Rense.com is a Jew-hating site is false.


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  • #3571
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    porsche959 wrote: »
    That cuts both ways, someone posted a link from the notoriously Jew hating site rense.com and not a single one of you had a problem with it until I pointed it out.
    Nobody had a problem with it because the same facts are available, and were provided, from a shed load of other sources.
    So you can opt to deny a fact purely on the grounds that one of the multitude of sources quoting it may be something or other?


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