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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #3002
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    As I said, the only side who are indiscriminate in their tactics is Hamas.

    By the way, since we can agree that Hamas's tactics are indiscriminate, why are you not offended by that?

    You seem angry and claim that Israel's tactics are indiscriminate, but what about Hamas's openly indiscriminate rockets? Is Hamas allowed to be indiscriminate because their rockets are rubbish?

    Two words:
    My Hole!


  • #3003
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,691 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Every single rocket from Hamas is indiscriminately used to kill innocent men, women and children. Israel is dealing with a nihilistic enemy in a densely packed urban areas that uses its people to defend its weapon - they can try to discriminately target areas, which I believe they are doing, but there will always be casualties. The alternative for Israel, however, is to not fire at all and allow Hamas to continue firing rockets at its population.

    Ideally Hamas would realise that its rockets are incredibly useless wastes of money that could better spent after building an economy in Gaza. But if they fire rockets, they will receive retaliation.

    It is tragic that innocent lives have been lost in Gaza and there have been some truly heartbreaking incidents. But please, articulate for me how a nation should respond to rockets being fired in a manner that won't result in any collateral damage whatsoever? It's very, very, very difficult.

    What I want is for both sides to leave each other alone - no more settlement building from Israel and no more rockets from Hamas.
    weapons which have no effect apart from the places which israel refuse to protect even though it has stolen the land, against an army who murders people who have no where what so ever to go

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #3004
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    As I said, the only side who are indiscriminate in their tactics is Hamas.

    By the way, since we can agree that Hamas's tactics are indiscriminate, why are you not offended by that?

    You seem angry and claim that Israel's tactics are indiscriminate, but what about Hamas's openly indiscriminate rockets? Is Hamas allowed to be indiscriminate because their rockets are rubbish?
    You appear to be claiming Israel's weapons are as inaccurate as Hamas'.
    Nope, Israel kills children 100% deliberately.


  • #3005
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Nodin wrote: »
    The human shields thing again?

    You might read this.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91520657&postcount=78

    It was ruled illegal, eh? So Israel isn't doing it but Hamas are? Cheers, Nodin.


  • #3006
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Interesting story in The Week. Public opinion has been changing over here in the past 10 days.

    http://theweek.com/article/index/265798/the-3-big-lies-supporting-israels-war-in-gaza

    Interesting article and also provides a link to another account of the reasons behind the breakdown of the 'peace negotiations'.


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  • #3007
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    As I said, the only side who are indiscriminate in their tactics is Hamas.

    ,...................


    You're taking the piss there, tbh.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91525813&postcount=1142


  • #3008
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,691 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    I thought Hamas wanted to wipe Israel and the Jews off the face of the earth, and if they had the means, that's exactly what they would do.

    same as the israely government and IDF so.
    fedor.2. wrote: »
    How evil is it to use human shields.

    considering there is no evidence of it happening, its a pointless question to ask.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #3009
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    How evil is it to hold almost 2 million captive and then be surprised that the military wing of their elected government try to resist.:rolleyes:

    I don't see any rockets being fired at Egypt? :confused:

    Good point on 'try' to resist. Their tactics don't work. The rockets don't work, the tunnels don't work. What are they doing at this point if not endangering the lives of their civilians by continuing to provoke Israel, when they have zero tactical advantage? Why not stop building the tunnels, stop firing the rockets and use that Qatari benefactor money for their civilians?


  • #3010
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Because their intentions is to pop up in Israel and kill civilians. You know, as they've been attempting to do for the past few weeks.

    Are you honestly saying that's a better usage for 800 tons of concrete for the people who elected Hamas?
    Aaaand we're back to collective punishment. So how can anything be "terrorism" if civilians are to be held responsible for their government's actions?


  • #3011
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Nodin wrote: »
    You're taking the piss there, tbh.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91525813&postcount=1142

    Am I talking to you or you from 31 July? Do you catalogue your favourite posts, some kind of 'Nodin's Greatest Hits'? That's so cute.


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  • #3012
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,691 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    They make excellent tunnels too. No civilians allowed inside during bombing raids though; that would be careless.
    yes these "terror tunnels" which no evidence of exists either

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #3013
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    It was ruled illegal, eh? So Israel isn't doing it but Hamas are? Cheers, Nodin.


    It was ruled illegal after being standard practice for decades. It still occurs unofficially. The Hamas use of human shields is alleged.


  • #3014
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    I don't see any rockets being fired at Egypt? :confused:

    Good point on 'try' to resist. Their tactics don't work. The rockets don't work, the tunnels don't work. What are they doing at this point if not endangering the lives of their civilians by continuing to provoke Israel, when they have zero tactical advantage? Why not stop building the tunnels, stop firing the rockets and use that Qatari benefactor money for their civilians?

    They did a minute ago, according to you, they were killing "thousands". I'd love to see the stats on these "thousands".

    It's like a great, big, circle jerk tbh. Round and round we go, where it ends, no-one knows..


  • #3015
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Am I talking to you or you from 31 July? Do you catalogue your favourite posts, some kind of 'Nodin's Greatest Hits'? That's so cute.

    Would you care to respond to the content?


  • #3016
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    end of the road wrote: »
    same as the israely government and IDF so.



    considering there is no evidence of it happening, its a pointless question to ask.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20140805-exclusive-video-hamas-rocket-launching-pad-near-gaza-homes-un-building/

    Whoops.


  • #3017
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Still the pro-Israeli posters try to derail threads and deflect attention away from the war crimes being committed by Israel.

    We've seen it all before. What page are you on now lads?

    http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fmedia%2F70%2Ftip_report.pdf&date=2009-08-06

    Hamas are bad, let's move on.

    Let's talk about the genocide and war crimes being committed by Israel and the psychopathic savages in charge of the country and how we can stop them.


  • #3018
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    I don't see any rockets being fired at Egypt? :confused:

    Good point on 'try' to resist. Their tactics don't work. The rockets don't work, the tunnels don't work. What are they doing at this point if not endangering the lives of their civilians by continuing to provoke Israel, when they have zero tactical advantage? Why not stop building the tunnels, stop firing the rockets and use that Qatari benefactor money for their civilians?
    "Provoke"? Israel has a stated aim of stealing all Palestinian land. They don't need to be "provoked".


  • #3019
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    end of the road wrote: »
    weapons which have no effect apart from the places which israel refuse to protect even though it has stolen the land, against an army who murders people who have no where what so ever to go

    That's grand, then? Just let them keep firing indiscriminately into Israel? So Hamas *is* allowed indiscriminately target civilians?

    And some of you talk about war crimes :D


  • #3020
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    So what's the boards verdict on won this round, Israel or Hamas ?


  • #3021
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    That's grand, then? Just let them keep firing indiscriminately into Israel? So Hamas *is* allowed indiscriminately target civilians?

    And some of you talk about war crimes :D
    Hang on, if all those tunnels are for is (yawn) "terrorism", why do most of them go to Egypt?


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  • #3022
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    end of the road wrote: »
    yes these "terror tunnels" which no evidence of exists either

    Haha, what are you talking about? Are you honestly saying that the tunnels do not exist; that Hamas did not use them during this conflict?


  • #3023
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    They did a minute ago, according to you, they were killing "thousands". I'd love to see the stats on these "thousands".

    It's like a great, big, circle jerk tbh. Round and round we go, where it ends, no-one knows..

    I never said that?


  • #3024
    comongethappy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    end of the road wrote: »
    yes these "terror tunnels" which no evidence of exists either


    http://youtu.be/r_KOOitlXuY

    Courtesy of your noble friends at HAMAS.


  • #3025
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Haha, what are you talking about? Are you honestly saying that the tunnels do not exist; that Hamas did not use them during this conflict?


    Sorry, you stated
    As I said, the only side who are indiscriminate in their tactics is Hamas.

    That is untrue.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91525813&postcount=1142

    Would you care to comment on the actions outlined in the post linked?


  • #3026
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    http://www.france24.com/en/20140805-exclusive-video-hamas-rocket-launching-pad-near-gaza-homes-un-building/

    Whoops.
    Whoops what?
    Thanks to decades of Zionist land grabs, Gaza is so densely populated that pretty much everything there is close to a house.


  • #3027
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Nodin wrote: »
    Would you care to respond to the content?

    I don't believe that the IDF's tactics are indiscriminate, I've said this many times. If they were, what would stop them from killing 160,000? They have the capability.

    Hamas's tactics, however, are 100% indiscriminate. Their only intention is to kill civilians with their rockets. Do you deny that? Please answer with a reply from today at least.


  • #3028
    Kertrada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Kertrada


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Whoops what?
    Thanks to decades of Zionist land grabs, Gaza is so densely populated that pretty much everything there is close to a house.

    100m from a UN building overlooking the launch pad. The camera also filmed kids running around playing with the launch tubes. What a farce.


  • #3029
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    comongethappy wrote: »

    friends at HAMAS.

    Brilliant, love the hyperbole. Hannity would be proud.


  • #3030
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    I don't believe that the IDF's tactics are indiscriminate,.............

    Do you accept that on occasion they deliberately target civillians and are less than worried about the consequences of the use of heavy weapons in built up areas?


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  • #3031
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Hang on, if all those tunnels are for is (yawn) "terrorism", why do most of them go to Egypt?

    32-35 have been found that came from Israel. Those were the ones used by Hamas militants during this war in their attempted attacks, which you're denying for some reason. And I never said "if all those tunnels are for"; but they are being used for weapon smuggling and attacks on Israel.


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