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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #2852
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    I'd call it opportunistic myself. She was unhappy with her treatment by the party..................

    ....and she was extremely unhappy with the policy. There are plenty of people unhappy with the party. They generally keep their mouths shut and take the cash.


  • #2853
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....and she was extremely unhappy with the policy. There are plenty of people unhappy with the party. They generally keep their mouths shut and take the cash.

    Not when they have an extremely high opinion of themselves and feel that they are not getting what they deserve


  • #2854
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Not when they have an extremely high opinion of themselves and feel that they are not getting what they deserve

    Do you ever post anything positive?


  • #2855
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Nodin wrote: »
    I'd hope you're right, but I've been watching this crap too long to be optimistic.

    Articles 59 and 86 would appear to be relevant. Will quote the relevant sections myself when I'm at home later on.
    As much as many states are eager to kowtow to US gov't demands regarding Israel, I would be somewhat surprised if any EU states were willing to violate an international legal treaty in the process?


  • #2856
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Well, he was hardly going to say anything else, was he. I'd imagine Cameron is pretty relieved that she's gone

    Is it all lies, just everything that everyone says?

    Except for opinions you agree with? Which morph into fact?


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  • #2857
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Chance The Rapper wrote: »
    Do you ever post anything positive?


    In fairness at least its not "But Hamas............."


  • #2858
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    Nodin wrote: »
    In fairness at least its not "But Hamas............."

    Where was the word terrorist?

    I will give you the benefit of the doubt because of the .........


  • #2859
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Chance The Rapper wrote: »
    Do you ever post anything positive?

    The truth, sometimes, can't be all positive. It's unfortunate, but it's the reality we live in.


  • #2860
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    Is it all lies, just everything that everyone says?

    Except for opinions you agree with? Which morph into fact?


    I certainly would never take any politician at face value. I wish I had your gullibility, maybe I could sleep easier.


  • #2861
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    I certainly would never take any politician at face value. I wish I had your gullibility, maybe I could sleep easier.

    But at the same time you are willing to post a link to a blog by a labour party member who now works for a trade union who quotes anonymous tory backbenchers?


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  • #2862
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    But at the same time you are willing to post a link to a blog by a labour party member who now works for a trade union who quotes anonymous tory backbenchers?

    They know themselves best. Politicians are at their most honest when attacking political rivals.


  • #2863
    Chance The Rapper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Chance The Rapper


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    They know themselves best. Politicians are at their most honest when attacking political rivals.

    Horse ****


  • #2864
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    They know themselves best. Politicians are at their most honest when attacking political rivals.

    ?

    Ok so,

    Just to avoid fedor2 obfuscation, a member of parliament in the UK has resigned as foreign office minister, she quit because "My view has been that our policy in relation to the Middle East Peace Process generally but more recently our approach and language during the current crisis in Gaza is morally indefensible"

    This occured


  • #2865
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Look, the main thing is that this ceasefire is holding, I feel real progress is going to be made in the coming days, and that a lasting truce is within reach.

    I think we can all agree that we are moving in the right direction, yes?


  • #2866
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    They know themselves best. Politicians are at their most honest when attacking political rivals.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY


  • #2867
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Look, the main thing is that this ceasefire is holding, I feel real progress is going to be made in the coming days, and that a lasting truce is within reach.

    I think we can all agree that we are moving in the right direction, yes?

    At least the terrorist IDF baby killers have stopped the slaughter of innocent men women and children, or is it like the last few cessations when they are just deciding which school or hospital to target next?


  • #2868
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    RustyNut wrote: »
    At least the terrorist IDF baby killers have stopped the slaughter of innocent men women and children, or is it like the last few cessations when they are just deciding which school or hospital to target next?


    Language like that is not helpful. You'd be no good in the negotiations, which we should all pray, are successful.


  • #2869
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Language like that is not helpful. You'd be no good in the negotiations, which we should all pray, are successful.

    Honesty ?


  • #2870
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Honesty ?

    I'd lie for peace


  • #2871
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    I'd lie for peace

    Would you settle for peace without freedom?


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  • #2872
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Not when they have an extremely high opinion of themselves and feel that they are not getting what they deserve

    You're right. She is using poor Israel as a pawn here. What a calculating woman. Especially after all the Jews have been through (obligatory Holocaust reference)


  • #2873
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Language like that is not helpful. You'd be no good in the negotiations, which we should all pray, are successful.

    That is completely irrelevant. This a message board, and not peace negotiations.

    Having said, I think when negotiating over a piece of land, having one party take more and more of that land, with the stated intent of creating facts on the ground, to diminish the other parties claim on the land is something that has been happening at peace negotiation between the Israeli government and the PA. Yet, the Israeli government claim they have no partner for peace, I would say that its the other way round, on account of the whole land grabbing during peace talk the Israeli government has been at for 20 odds years.


  • #2874
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    But at the same time you are willing to post a link to a blog by a labour party member who now works for a trade union who quotes anonymous tory backbenchers?

    Lol. That was the written equivalent of a missile hitting a UN school


  • #2875
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Would you settle for peace without freedom?

    No, and I can't imagine what that's like. Is there a realistic and achievable alternative?


  • #2876
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    I'd lie for peace

    Lying would appear to be a core zionist charistic.


  • #2877
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Lol. That was the written equivalent of a missile hitting a UN school


    I don't think you should be making light of that


  • #2878
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Look, the main thing is that this ceasefire is holding, I feel real progress is going to be made in the coming days, and that a lasting truce is within reach.

    I think we can all agree that we are moving in the right direction, yes?

    No Israel's actions cannot be forgotten. "Move in the right direction" - means until the Israeli's decide to murder the Palestinians like fish in a barrel again. Then gimps like yourself will be in telling us they have a right to defend themselves. The world is a sad place


  • #2879
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Lying would appear to be a core zionist charistic.


    I'd have to take your word for that, I wouldn't know


  • #2880
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    I don't think you should be making light of that

    I wasnt. I hate you and your type with a passion.


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  • #2881
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    No Israel's actions cannot be forgotten. "Move in the right direction" - means until the Israeli's decide to murder the Palestinians like fish in a barrel again. Then gimps like yourself will be in telling us they have a right to defend themselves. The world is a sad place


    I never said anything of the sort, I resent being called a gimp too. There's no need to insult me


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