Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

end of the road · 05-08-2014 02:07PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

You can comment all you want. But I have no problem with explaining to others about a culture the commentator knows nothing about. There is nothing insidious or evil about kissing your tank, it's quite within normal, civilized behaviour. And, as far as I know, there is nothing to indicate that either tank or crewman did anything insidious or evil. Ergo, commentator is being emotionally misleading and I'm calling him on it. I don't go around judging Palestinian traditions, for example, but if I do and get something wrong, I would expect to be called on it.

Yep. A legitimate act of war, well within the rules of the time. What's the issue? You have a problem with the bombing, talk to a philosopher, or a politician of the time. No reason to take it out on the crew or machine.

the bombing was a genocide, but one which the effects of live on to this day

BeerWolf · 05-08-2014 02:11PM

donegal__road wrote: »

Israeli Rabbi: It’s okay to kill innocent civilians and destroy Gaza..

Well, what can you say - Zionism is evil. I see no difference between it and the Nazi's ideals...

donegal__road · 05-08-2014 02:13PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

Well, what can you say - Zionism is evil.

you could say that... you could also say that if Israel keep going the way they are going, Palestine will be the graveyard of the Israelis.

end of the road · 05-08-2014 02:14PM

bumper234 wrote: »

When did Israel make a declaration of war? If it's a war why do Israel not follow the rules of the Geneva convention?

they are special because they are the jewish state, and a friend of murika

end of the road · 05-08-2014 02:17PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

Of course they do - you make any criticism against them and they'll label you anti-Semitic.

They've always played their holocaust card for whatever reason, because they believe the world owes them a debt.

isn't it true that germany have to pay this terrorist state money, even though the state did not exist when hitler commited his crimes? a ****ing scam if you ask me

fedor.2. · 05-08-2014 02:18PM

end of the road wrote: »

isn't it true that germany have to pay this terrorist state money, even though the state did not exist when hitler commited his crimes? a ****ing scam if you ask me

Luckily nobody asked you

BeerWolf · 05-08-2014 02:21PM

donegal__road wrote: »

you could say that... you could also say that if Israel keep going the way they are going, Palestine will be the graveyard of the Israelis.

I'll have no sympathies towards Israel, not one bit, should they suffer a terrible backlash from other Islamic nations.

Arthur Beesley · 05-08-2014 02:23PM

end of the road wrote: »

isn't it true that germany have to pay this terrorist state money, even though the state did not exist when hitler commited his crimes? a ****ing scam if you ask me

It's a wonder you even used the term 'crimes'.

VinLieger · 05-08-2014 02:25PM

end of the road wrote: »

isn't it true that germany have to pay this terrorist state money, even though the state did not exist when hitler commited his crimes? a ****ing scam if you ask me

For a country so quick to invoke the holocaust whenever they want something or simply feel like it they are disgustingly determined to do the same to a whole other group of people

comongethappy · 05-08-2014 02:25PM

end of the road wrote: »

isn't it true that germany have to pay this terrorist state money, even though the state did not exist when hitler commited his crimes? a ****ing scam if you ask me

Done and done.

$1.5 billion spread over 14 years as compensation for the costs of repatriating holocaust survivors.

Overwhelmingly approved by the German parliament.

Smiles35 · 05-08-2014 02:27PM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

It's a wonder you even used the term 'crimes'.

Lest we forget Englands finest hour in europe.

end of the road · 05-08-2014 02:29PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Luckily nobody asked you

do you even know what this thread is about? seeing as you never have anything to say worth reading

end of the road · 05-08-2014 02:32PM

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

It's a wonder you even used the term 'crimes'.

well you see, unlike you, i don't decide what is a crime on the basis of whether i like or dislike the country or its people, or the basis of skin colour, or religion

Otacon · 05-08-2014 02:37PM

end of the road wrote: »

well you see, unlike you, i don't decide what is a crime on the basis of whether i like or dislike the country or its people, or the basis of skin colour, or religion

I can only assume you decide based on the actions of the alleged perpetrators - in this case, the killing of almost 2000 people, the majority being civilians.

fedor.2. · 05-08-2014 02:45PM

end of the road wrote: »

do you even know what this thread is about? seeing as you never have anything to say worth reading

This thread is about you, isn't it?? We get it, you're outraged. It's over now lad, time to move on I'd say.

Tuisceanch · 05-08-2014 02:45PM

A report from 'Noor Harazeen' a young Palestinian woman living in Gaza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoP9hL0z5I4

fedor.2. · 05-08-2014 02:48PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

I'll have no sympathies towards Israel, not one bit, should they suffer a terrible backlash from other Islamic nations.

So innocent Israelis are fair game, is it?

WakeUp · 05-08-2014 02:54PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

This thread is about you, isn't it?? We get it, you're outraged. It's over now lad, time to move on I'd say.

What's over?..Israel and her IDF apologists would like nothing more than for people to forget and "move on", I'd say. but that isn't going to happen this time Israel has crossed the line and if responsible for war crimes and breaches of international law, need to and must be held accountable. this is only just beginning.

eeepaulo · 05-08-2014 02:56PM

I just watched the rte news, i think im going to have to question rte,

for some reason throughout the last few weeks Mark Regev is allowed to speak on TV without being questioned in anyway.

We will be watching hamas who keep violating ceasefires...

end of the road · 05-08-2014 02:58PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

So innocent Israelis are fair game, is it?

you have been excusing the slaughter of innocent palestinians, so i'd take a look at yourself before making out others condone the killing of civilians

BeerWolf · 05-08-2014 02:58PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

So innocent Israelis are fair game, is it?

From a Government standpoint... but I assume you've got no problems of Israel already doing just that in multitudes.

WakeUp · 05-08-2014 03:00PM

end of the road wrote: »

you have been excusing the slaughter of innocent palestinians, so i'd take a look at yourself before making out others condone the killing of civilians

He thinks "it's over" says it all really. Israel has crossed the line this time though that appears to not have registered..yet. the penny will drop soon enough.

fedor.2. · 05-08-2014 03:01PM

WakeUp wrote: »

What's over?..Israel and her IDF apologists would like nothing more than for people to forget and "move on", I'd say. but that isn't going to happen this time Israel has crossed the line and if responsible for war crimes and breaches of international law, need to and must be held accountable. this is only just beginning.

Yes, it is the beginning, of peace negotiations. Take that as the positive that it is. Do you honestly believe people will be talking about this in a few months time?

fedor.2. · 05-08-2014 03:03PM

end of the road wrote: »

you have been excusing the slaughter of innocent palestinians, so i'd take a look at yourself before making out others condone the killing of civilians

Nope, I condemn the slaughter/murder of PEOPLE. I don't care which plot of dirt they are from

fedor.2. · 05-08-2014 03:05PM

BeerWolf wrote: »

From a Government standpoint... but I assume you've got no problems of Israel already doing just that in multitudes.

You know you should never assume

WakeUp · 05-08-2014 03:07PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Yes, it is the beginning, of peace negotiations. Take that as the positive that it is. Do you honestly believe people will be talking about this in a few months time?

Yes, yes I do. because if Israel is not held accountable this time around the very fabric of what we deem to be international rules and ways will be called into question and in my opinion null and void if Israel is not brought to heel. their Pariah government consistently stick two fingers up to the world and operate by their own "rules". they must be held to account this time.

BeerWolf · 05-08-2014 03:08PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Yes, it is the beginning, of peace negotiations. Take that as the positive that it is. Do you honestly believe people will be talking about this in a few months time?

There will NEVER be a lasting peace between Palestine and Israel - Israel has made it abundantly clear of wanting the entire area under their control. Even if it means the pseudo assimilation of Palestine people before kicking them out, and telling the world they gave them the option to stay but they left. Such as they have for the past 60 years...

Tuisceanch · 05-08-2014 03:09PM

Tuisceanch wrote: »

A report from 'Noor Harazeen' a young Palestinian woman living in Gaza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoP9hL0z5I4

Please share this video and check out her Youtube channel. This young courageous woman deserves to have her voice heard.

fedor.2. · 05-08-2014 03:13PM

WakeUp wrote: »

Yes, yes I do. because if Israel is not held accountable this time around the very fabric of what we deem to be international rules and ways will be called into question and in my opinion null and void if Israel is not brought to heel. their Pariah government consistently stick two fingers up to the world and operate by their own "rules". they must be held to account this time.

Who is going to hold them accountable though? You know as well as I do the way this world works. The best we can hope for, is a continued ceasefire and continued negotiations, in the hope that some workable and sustainable truce can be achieved.

Tuisceanch · 05-08-2014 03:14PM

Tuisceanch wrote: »

Inside the talks' failure: US officials open up

In an exclusive interview, American officials directly connected to the talks reveal the real reason for the collapse of the negotiations.
Nahum Barnea

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4515821,00.html

Norman Finkelstein talks about this interview which can be found here

http://www.orbooks.com/catalog/old-wine-broken-bottle/

He,however,states that Kerry asked the Israeli side what their bottom line was and, having received a response ,presented it to the Palestinians who accepted it.However the Israeli's then backtracked leaving the Americans furious. I can't find any direct reference to this in the article.

Please do not be fooled by this talk of Peace Negotiations.Israel has no interest in peace and this rhetoric about being concerned about all human life but failing to condemn outright the obvious slaughter is only a tactic being
employed by apologists for genocide.There is no sincerity behind their words. They all use the same formula in their discussions.

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