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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #1802
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    "Barack Obama said that Hamas should be held responsible for the collapse of the ceasefire on Friday, demanding the militant group immediately release Goldin and insisting the US was doing everything possible to prevent the deaths of Palestinian civilians, which he called "heartbreaking"."

    Barry has too much Friday nite Guinness methinks


    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/01/israel-bombards-rafah-soldier-disappears-gaza-ceasefire-collapse


  • #1803
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Nodin wrote: »
    Don't put it up here. Report it if its abuse.
    Well he just wanted to PM me to tell me he wasn't replying to me... er. OK?
    And that he doesn't hold a grudge (although perhaps his beardy ghost creator does for thousands of years on his slighted chosen ones).


  • #1804
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Well he just wanted to PM me to tell me he wasn't replying to me... er. OK?
    And that he doesn't hold a grudge (although perhaps his beardy ghost creator does for thousands of years on his slighted chosen ones).

    Yer big feckin gentile ya :)


  • #1805
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Google youtube video 'Inside Mark Regevs mind"
    And apologies in advance, its not fair to laugh when such awful stuff is going on.
    But we're irish and have gotten used to the black type of humour that made me laugh out loud when I saw it.

    Awfully sad, and ridiculous too.


  • #1806
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Which spaghetti monster?



    That's just too funny for words.


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  • #1807
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    KahBoom wrote: »
    There looks to have been an execution of (at least) 6 Palestinian's in Khuza'a, with 'IMI - Israeli Military Industries' marked bullets, that has been discovered today (warning: image on article header, is a bit graphic):
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/01/who-is-behind-gaza-s-mass-execution.html

    Not enough information yet, to say anything conclusive about it though.

    Nothing will be done about it, odds are. Worse has happened in clearer circumstances.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91525813&postcount=1142


  • #1808
    KahBoom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭KahBoom


    Nodin wrote: »
    Nothing will be done about it, odds are. Worse has happened in clearer circumstances.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91525813&postcount=1142
    True, though the details of this particular execution sound a bit gruesome, so if more light is shed on it, it could become a major story - I doubt anything would be done about it of course, though.


  • #1809
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    They like to spout that line too, the muslims hate us because we drink and vote but thats just ballocks, they hate us because of our foreign policy in there homelands.

    Bin Laden himself said as much on several occasions. He specifically countered claims that his terrorism was the result of disliking Western secular values with these comments:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3627775.stm

    (Not in any way defending or condoning Bin Laden before anyone accuses me of same, he was a vile human being but his comments directly refute the "religions nuts" narrative)

    Religion has about as much to do with the conflict in the Middle East as the protestant/catholic divide had to do with The Troubles. Everyone knows it was really about politics and sovereignty but it's easy to discredit people by accusing them of simply being religious nuts.


  • #1810
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,613 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Voltex wrote: »
    I think people should spend some time on youtube and look at what the IDF are uncovering in Gaza. There is a video of the IDF entering a Mosque and a school and deep down in the basement is an arsenal worthy of any 3rd World War Lord. And then theres the tunnels. All that cement and building materials have literally gone underground. I have never seen anything like the warren of terror tunnels Hamas have created.

    I for one completely support Israel and the IDF in what they are doing. We look at the pictures on Sky News of the horrors perpetrated by ISIS in Syria and Iraq..yet these guys aren't a million miles away from Hamas in their ideology.

    And fair play to Hamas for fighting back.
    Imagine having the gall to fight back against the country that's stealing your land, blockading you in and killing your citizens.
    How dare they store guns and ammo.


  • #1811
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    tayto lover wrote: »
    And fair play to Hamas for fighting back.
    Imagine having the gall to fight back against the country that's stealing your land, blockading you in and killing your citizens.
    How dare they store guns and ammo.

    What would your advice be to the Hamas leadership on how to proceed from here?


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  • #1812
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,613 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    What would your advice be to the Hamas leadership on how to proceed from here?

    They don't need my advice.
    They will do whatever they deem necessary and fair play to them.


  • #1813
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    hju6 wrote: »
    This is the way the US is thinking

    US Bill Seeks to Exonerate Israel of War Crimes
    Submitted by Peter Garcia-Webb on Fri, 2014-08-01 09:54

    Once I got to the line saying "Israel has used banned weapons including DIME bombs, tank flechette shells and gas.", I gave up. He is making inaccurate claims to appeal to emotion.


  • #1814
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Once I got to the line saying "Israel has used banned weapons including DIME bombs, tank flechette shells and gas.", I gave up. He is making inaccurate claims to appeal to emotion.

    Are you denying that Israel have used flachette shells?


  • #1815
    moxin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    Are the Israeli's trying kill all 1.7m Palestinians in Gaza?


  • #1816
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,613 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Once I got to the line saying "Israel has used banned weapons including DIME bombs, tank flechette shells and gas.", I gave up. He is making inaccurate claims to appeal to emotion.

    There is no need to make up stuff.
    The t.v. pictures tell us all we need to know as does social media as it gives us an incite into Israeli thinking.


  • #1817
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    If you were an Israeli propagandist given a job to post on social media sites then this thread must be an assignment from hell. Not saying that there are such people because most of the people supporting the Israeli action in Gaza who have posted here seem such an eminently sensible,rational and erudite people.But IF...


  • #1818
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Are you denying that Israel have used flachette shells?

    I'm denying that they are banned.


  • #1819
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Once I got to the line saying "Israel has used banned weapons including DIME bombs, tank flechette shells and gas.", I gave up. He is making inaccurate claims to appeal to emotion.

    No he is not


  • #1820
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    I'm denying that they are banned.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-israeli-military-using-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html

    Read up and cop on


  • #1821
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    If you were an Israeli propagandist given a job to post on social media sites then this thread must be an assignment from hell. Not saying that there are such people because most of the people supporting the Israeli action in Gaza who have posted here seem such an eminently sensible,rational and erudite people.But IF...

    Very few of those on here, to be fair - and those that have done haven't hung around for very long.


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  • #1822
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Once I got to the line saying "Israel has used banned weapons including DIME bombs, tank flechette shells and gas.", I gave up. He is making inaccurate claims to appeal to emotion.

    Its all the dead babys that appeal to my emotions, :mad:


  • #1823
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    hju6 wrote: »
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-israeli-military-using-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html

    Read up and cop on

    With respect, the laws of land warfare determine what weapons are and are not legal, not an Israeli humanitarian agency.

    Flechette munitions are not prohibited under any treaty, and most major militaries use them or derivatives.


  • #1824
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Very few of those on here, to be fair - and those that have done haven't hung around for very long.

    Well they didn't have time to linger as they had a higher calling it seems or it seemed to them.God bless them on their way.Shalom.


  • #1825
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    With respect, the laws of land warfare determine what weapons are and are not legal, not an Israeli humanitarian agency.

    Flechette munitions are not prohibited under any treaty, and most major militaries use them or derivatives.

    You said they were banned


  • #1826
    A Greedy Algorithm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭A Greedy Algorithm


    Where do they hide the captured Israeli soldiers, do they put them down a hole in the ground?


  • #1827
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Its all the dead babys that appeal to my emotions, :mad:

    Don't be so soppy. They're talking man's stuff like what weapons can or cannot be used on a civilian population.Stay on topic.


  • #1828
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    I'm denying that they are banned.

    Not banned? Illegal maybe?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-israeli-military-using-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html
    Flechette rounds have been used before in Gaza, and were declared legal by the Israeli supreme court in 2002. But a 2011 report by the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem described them as carrying “a particularly high danger of harming innocent civilians”.

    Either way the use of flechette rounds against civilians is ****ed up. You claim to be a military man but at this stage i'm.wondering if you have actually seen any action because anyone who has seen the devastation caused by artillery fire would not hesitate to condemn the barrage that the Palestinian people have had to face.


  • #1829
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    That's just too funny for words.

    Some seem to see it as some sort of documentary.


  • #1830
    Tuisceanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Tuisceanch


    RustyNut wrote: »
    Some seem to see it as some sort of documentary.

    Well it's brilliantly crafted and cuts to the chase.


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  • #1831
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Tuisceanch wrote: »
    Well they didn't have time to linger as they had a higher calling it seems or it seemed to them.God bless them on their way.Shalom.

    Just as satire died when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, Mossad's media shills on the internet must have silently died inside when one of their own tried to justify Palestinian genocide on a mainstream Israeli newspaper blog and his dad's local paper in New York.

    Hey ho.


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