Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

Chance The Rapper · 31-07-2014 10:13PM

Anyone know if these are genuine?

http://www.pcrf.net/blog/urgent-gaza-relief

Tuisceanch · 31-07-2014 10:16PM

JamboMac wrote: »

I wouldn't bother with mrsweebri he accuses people of things but not directly.
Denies he did so and then refuses to answer any questions he is asked.

Smells fishy.

That's very unfair. You had a misunderstanding is all. He was very open about his own background and his feelings on the current situation and it takes courage to form an opinion based on your convictions when it is at odds with the majority of your peers. I have a alot of time for people like him but he doesn't need me to endorse him.

Nodin · 31-07-2014 10:17PM

Chance The Rapper wrote: »

Anyone know if these are genuine?

http://www.pcrf.net/blog/urgent-gaza-relief

Yep.

Chance The Rapper · 31-07-2014 10:18PM

Cool, donation made.

Tail Docker · 31-07-2014 10:18PM

Chance The Rapper wrote: »

What happens during the three days of the ceasefire then?

It has to be handed to Ban Ki Moon in fairness.

They only use small-arms to kill Palestinians, no heavy weaponry, well, I say no..

Redpunto · 31-07-2014 10:19PM

Apologies If details have been posted

Anybody know details of protest on Saturday?

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 10:20PM

beegeedee wrote: »

I remember it clearly. A Scottish kid was killed in Jerusalem while on holiday by a Palestinian suicide bomber along with 17 others on a bus. He was 18. He was kept alive on life support while his parents flew there. Donated a kidney to a dying Palestinian. Someone I know knew him.

Good enough?

Sorry, without going back through the pages, I'm sure you said *200* dead Israelis. I must have been imagining that as you have provided evidence here of 18?

eeepaulo · 31-07-2014 10:21PM

Redpunto wrote: »

Apologies If details have been posted

Anybody know details of protest on Saturday?

http://www.ipsc.ie/upcoming-events

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 10:22PM

bumper234 wrote: »

More like three days for them to get the ammunitions they need from the yank compounds to get ready for the next round of murder.

Three days for the cheque to clear with the USA for the next consignment of schoolbusters.

beegeedee · 31-07-2014 10:25PM

Nodin wrote: »

You said 200 dead in a week, so no, that's not good enough.

Would you care to comment on this?

And could you get back to me on this also please

Well, short answer cos I just lost my answer due to stupid Urls. First one: can't comment. Don't know the subject matter.

Second item. Give gaza to Egypt. Let the deal with Hamas.

I Heart Internet · 31-07-2014 10:28PM

pedro1234 wrote: »

Can't see this lasting AT ALL.

That's the spirit!

pedro1234 · 31-07-2014 10:29PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

That's the spirit!

Previous ceasefires haven't worked, so there's nothing to say that this one will.

Tail Docker · 31-07-2014 10:29PM

beegeedee wrote: »

Well, short answer cos I just lost my answer due to stupid Urls. First one: can't comment. Don't know the subject matter.

Second item. Give gaza to Egypt. Let the deal with Hamas.

What? Never happened me, not in eight years of boarding. I guess the wi-fi must have dropped, they're probably getting ready for the breakfast menu.

JamboMac · 31-07-2014 10:30PM

Tuisceanch wrote: »

That's very unfair. You had a misunderstanding is all. He was very open about his own background and his feelings on the current situation and it takes courage to form an opinion based on your convictions when it is at odds with the majority of your peers. I have a alot of time for people like him but he doesn't need me to endorse him.

Not really he asked a question and I cleared it up, but he won't give me the same satisfaction and he is still on as he thanked you.

So now my thoughts believe that his response may be deemed as not PC and read his little blog and it just threw up more answers then questions.

Nodin · 31-07-2014 10:31PM

beegeedee wrote: »

Well, short answer cos I just lost my answer due to stupid Urls. First one: can't comment. Don't know the subject matter.
.

Evasion.

beegeedee wrote: »

Second item. Give gaza to Egypt. Let the deal with Hamas.

You realise that the Israelis occupy the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem and the Golan heights and inflict their regime on the people there?

Are you going to withdraw your remark about 200 dead in a week?

user2011 · 31-07-2014 10:33PM

beegeedee wrote: »

Perhaps not.

Raped for 20 years by a father who gets 11 years of his 12 year sentence suspended though and walked because of time served??? That's all right though since she wasn't killed. Back to the topic anyway...

The kid was 13, not 10. Doesn't make it any better.

They have a right to their way of justice, however good or bad.

Oh, if a Hamas militant shot an innocent Israeli child they would probably pat him on the back...consider that too. At least some people there actually are upset enough to try and do something.

I'm embarrassed you.

I Heart Internet · 31-07-2014 10:34PM

pedro1234 wrote: »

Previous ceasefires haven't worked, so there's nothing to say that this one will.

We can hope.

I hope it holds and develops into a short, medium and long term solution. Wishful thinking, I know.

Senator Norris made an interesting point on Today FM this evening. He was comparing the Israel of 40 years ago with today. He claimed it was "the 1.2 million Russian Jews, or so called Jews" that changed everything, turne Israel bad and mad it a far more aggressive country.

Little CuChulainn · 31-07-2014 10:34PM

beegeedee wrote: »

Well, short answer cos I just lost my answer due to stupid Urls. First one: can't comment. Don't know the subject matter.

Second item. Give gaza to Egypt. Let the deal with Hamas.

There's no Gaza left to give. It's nearly completely Israel.

People ask what we would do if our neighbour was firing rockets into Dublin. The real question is what would we do if our neighbour tried to take our country from us. And we don't need to ask that question. We fought them for 700 years. Hamas have nothing on the Irish fight against the British.

Tuisceanch · 31-07-2014 10:34PM

JamboMac wrote: »

Not really he asked a question and I cleared it up, but he won't give me the same satisfaction and he is still on as he thanked you.

So now my thoughts believe that his response may be deemed as not PC and read his little blog and it just threw up more answers then questions.

Well it's your grievance with him so I'll keep my nose out then.

DainBramage · 31-07-2014 10:34PM

hju6 wrote: »

Watch this documentary, if you are poor and on foot you queue at checkpoints between Gaza and Israel for hours

Get a new car you can drive straight through, so where are all these suicide bombers the Israelis fear,?

http://rt.com/shows/documentary/176624-news-team-episode-17/

I watched that- they omitted that cars with Israeli plates generally get waved straight through, which i suspect they were driving. Cars registered with palestinian authority display a "P" on the plate and would get more hassle. (lived in israel last yr).

beegeedee · 31-07-2014 10:37PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Sorry, without going back through the pages, I'm sure you said *200* dead Israelis. I must have been imagining that as you have provided evidence here of 18?

Yeah. It was a week of carnage. There was a bomb in a cafe as well that day and another 30 or so killed. There was like 5 buses targeted, all civilian and others too. All in all, around 200, give or take, in the week. Not 200 in the one bomb. On top of that there would have been the countless casualties, limbs lost, shredded by the nail bombs they tended to favour. It's the one bus that sticks out in my mind clearly and that number I remember precisely and it was actually a miracle because I remember one earlier in the week where about double the amount died...if of course you could call that a miracle.

Not one soldier was targeted.

Chance The Rapper · 31-07-2014 10:39PM

beegeedee wrote: »

Yeah. It was a week of carnage. There was a bomb in a cafe as well that day and another 30 or so killed. There was like 5 buses targeted, all civilian and others too. All in all, around 200, give or take, in the week. Not 200 in the one bomb. On top of that there would have been the countless casualties, limbs lost, shredded by the nail bombs they tended to favour. It's the one bus that sticks out in my mind clearly and that number I remember precisely and it was actually a miracle because I remember one earlier in the week where about double the amount died...if of course you could call that a miracle.

Not one soldier was targeted.

Link it or get the fcuk off the thread.

WakeUp · 31-07-2014 10:39PM

Dress the Gaza situation up all you like, but the truth hurts:

"There was a time when our politicians and media had one principal fear when covering Middle East wars: that no one should ever call them anti-Semitic. So corrosive, so vicious was this charge against any honest critic of Israel that merely to bleat the word “disproportionate” – as in any normal wartime exchange rate of Arab-to-Israeli deaths – was to provoke charges of Nazism by Israel’s would-be supporters. Sympathy for Palestinians would earn the sobriquet “pro-Palestinian”, which, of course, means “pro-terrorist”.

"Or so it was until the latest bloodbath in Gaza, which is being so graphically covered by journalists that our masters and our media are suffering a new experience: not fear of being called anti-Semitic, but fear of their own television viewers and readers – ordinary folk so outraged by the war crimes committed against the women and children of Gaza that they are demanding to know why, even now, television moguls and politicians are refusing to treat their own people like moral, decent, intelligent human beings."

"In France, there’s been derision at the way the government has reacted to Gaza’s calvary. François Hollande wanted Israel to “correct” its aim “a bit” (un peu)! He criticised Hamas’s aggression and Israel’s reprisals. But then an angry Benjamin Netanyahu came on the blower to the Elysée. Change of tune. Hollande uttered the usual mantra. “Israel has the right to take all measures to protect its people.” But then French Assembly members became so sickened by the “collective punishment” of the Palestinians that Hollande urged an end to the “escalation” in violence. Phew."

"In Ireland, traditionally pro-Palestinian, The Irish Times, alas, has been playing the same tune as its New York namesake. On the day after Israel bombed a UN school, killing 19 civilians, it ran a front-page article which began with Israel’s declaration of a ceasefire, continued with a paragraph of the truce details, then ran a paragraph that Hamas had no reaction – and then told its readers about the 19 dead. A reader castigated the paper for “balancing” its letters page with correspondence designed to make the Palestinians look as guilty as the Israelis. “Such disinterest is really a kind of moral apathy,” he said. And said it rather well. The world can at least thank the journos in Gaza – even if their bosses are still on the run."
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/dress-the-gaza-situation-up-all-you-like-but-the-truth-hurts-9641240.html

Capt'n Midnight · 31-07-2014 10:41PM

mad muffin wrote: »

Secondly if you think for one second that the situation in Gaza is the same as Nazi Germany you are way off the mark. These kind of comments are really disgusting.

The Nazi's let the British , Canadians and US planes fly over occupied Holland to drop in over 11,000 tonnes of food during WWII

Tuisceanch · 31-07-2014 10:41PM

beegeedee wrote: »

Yeah. It was a week of carnage. There was a bomb in a cafe as well that day and another 30 or so killed. There was like 5 buses targeted, all civilian and others too. All in all, around 200, give or take, in the week. Not 200 in the one bomb. On top of that there would have been the countless casualties, limbs lost, shredded by the nail bombs they tended to favour. It's the one bus that sticks out in my mind clearly and that number I remember precisely and it was actually a miracle because I remember one earlier in the week where about double the amount died...if of course you could call that a miracle.

Not one soldier was targeted.

Walter Mitty syndrome. Thinks everybody else is fooled by him and that we're all as lazy with the facts as he is.

hju6 · 31-07-2014 10:44PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

We can hope.

I hope it holds and develops into a short, medium and long term solution. Wishful thinking, I know.

Senator Norris made an interesting point on Today FM this evening. He was comparing the Israel of 40 years ago with today. He claimed it was "the 1.2 million Russian Jews, or so called Jews" that changed everything, turne Israel bad and mad it a far more aggressive country.

Khazars google them

Dan_Solo · 31-07-2014 10:45PM

beegeedee wrote: »

On top of that there would have been the countless casualties, limbs lost, shredded by the nail bombs they tended to favour.

As opposed to the US/IDF bombs that kill instantly or leave completely unharmed I suppose?

beano345 · 31-07-2014 10:46PM

Tail Docker wrote: »

They only use small-arms to kill Palestinians, no heavy weaponry, well, I say no..

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