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Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP 28/8

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  • #482
    Chip Whitley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭Chip Whitley


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Would it worthwhile keeping reina around?

    Be handy if we could give him some time in preseason to see!


  • #483
    Morzadec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    jasonb wrote: »
    That's a good point and don't get me wrong, it's definitely good to buy for the future. It just jars a bit when we also need to buy for now, if you know what I mean?

    Of course, this has all become an issue due to the failed medical, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue at all. So it's hardly bad planning on the club's side of things or anything like that.

    J.

    I understand what you're saying, but as I said yesterday we are in a position where we can invest in the future in a big way (10m is a lot for a 19 year old with little football under his belt even in this market) yet still have more than enough funds to strengthen the first team. One is not hindered by the other - for once we're in the relatively luxurious position of being able to do both, partly because of superb squad building by Rodgers/the unexpected rise of players like Sterling, Flanagan, even Henderson and partly because of the Suarez money.

    Signing Origi will have no bearing on our budget or activity in strengthening the first team. I am pretty confident we will make the signing required in the attacking area once the right target is identified.


  • #484
    Milkers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Milkers


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    If the manager did that I would lose a lot of respect for him to taint a players career like that would be a disgrace of the highest order.

    If.


  • #485
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,868 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    This is hugely unhelpful speculation, sort of thing Harry Redknapp would suggest.

    Well it's what the media said as soon as it came out. This stuff gets 'leaked' unofficially all the time.


  • #486
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Well it's what the media said as soon as it came out. This stuff gets 'leaked' unofficially all the time.

    and you believe the football media all the time I take it? Or are you directly accusing the club of undermining Remy?


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  • #487
    jasonb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,390 ✭✭✭jasonb


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Well in fairness neither Rodgers or the club have publically stated that he failed the medical.

    I didn't realise this. Rodgers has said publically that the deal is off though, hasn't he? I wonder what changed, as clearly the club wanted Remy.
    Morzadec wrote: »
    Signing Origi will have no bearing on our budget or activity in strengthening the first team. I am pretty confident we will make the signing required in the attacking area once the right target is identified.

    As would I be, I have a lot of faith in the Club and how it's being run. I'm just a little worried that the Striker need was going to be filled by Remy, and now, for whatever reason, that isn't going to happen, so the Club have to go to Plan B (which to be fair to them, they probably have decided on, just in case).

    Don't worry, I'm not in a meltdown or anything like that! ;)

    J.


  • #488
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,868 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    and you believe the football media all the time I take it? Or are you directly accusing the club of undermining Remy?

    What are you getting at?

    When it came out that the deal was off it was all over the media about the medical but nothing was said by the club.

    I'm not accusing anybody of anything not that a poster on an internet forum is that important.


  • #489
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    murpho999 wrote: »
    What are you getting at?

    When it came out that the deal was off it was all over the media about the medical but nothing was said by the club.

    I'm not accusing anybody of anything not that a poster on an internet forum is that important.


    No, but it might tell us what you think about the club/Rodgers.


  • #490
    garra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭garra


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    No, but it might tell us what you think about the club/Rodgers.

    You need to get some Park Life mate, chill out to fack.

    It's perfectly reasonable to muse about the possible reasons as to why the Remy deal was scrapped, and does not need to incur your boorish "defence" of the manager's motives. Whether or not the club have "steered" the media in the direction of the failed medical is academic to us, there could have been a number of reasons why the deal was scuppered (eg attitude of player / wage demands / agent wants a hefty bonus / etc) and if the press want to sell rags by making up a failed medical story then it is not LFC's job to correct them either way.
    Also, and this for me is the ironic thing.. If the deal fell through because of the player's attitude and Rodgers had come out and stated that reason, it would be a hell of a lot more damning for the player's future chances of securing a contract with a top club than LFC not disputing a made up "failed medical" story.


  • #491
    Kerrigooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭Kerrigooney


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Parish notice - not for discussion.

    Lost another one, the good news is that another one is due back soon.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KL9mRus19o


    :)


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  • #492
    Kess73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Well it's what the media said as soon as it came out. This stuff gets 'leaked' unofficially all the time.


    The main rumour doing the rounds in the UK seems to be that Willie McKay struck again, and that is why the move fell apart.


    A google search on some of Mr McKay's finest moments and his shared history with the likes of Harry Redknapp makes for some interesting reading, and shows how much of an impact agents can have


  • #493
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,499 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Parish notice - not for discussion.

    Lost another one, the good news is that another one is due back soon.
    If you wish to discuss modding matters PM the mods. Dispute threads are not up for discussion, and the mention of them here is not acceptable


  • #494
    Kerrigooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭Kerrigooney


    Kess73 wrote: »
    The main rumour doing the rounds in the UK seems to be that Willie McKay struck again, and that is why the move fell apart.


    A google search on some of Mr McKay's finest moments and his shared history with the likes of Harry Redknapp makes for some interesting reading, and shows how much of an impact agents can have

    Was he trying to get more money at the end or what?


  • #495
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,868 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    No, but it might tell us what you think about the club/Rodgers.

    I really don't know what you're getting it.

    Look for my old posts to see my views on the club.

    I was just saying that I don't really believe that Remy really failed a medical for the deal to fall through


  • #496
    Underpaid Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Underpaid Mike


    Dejan Lovren has been unable to join his new Liverpool team-mates in the U.S after failing to obtain a visa in time. (Mail)

    Lovren: "I will train with the U-21 team in Liverpool. Brendan Rodgers will send a program for me to practice."

    Hope this doesnt hold his pre season back in any way


  • #497
    Underpaid Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Underpaid Mike


    Todays Sunderland Echo, looks like Borini deal is inevitable. Thank God
    SUNDERLAND have held talks with Fabio Borini, although the Liverpool frontman’s future is being held up by his shoulder injury.

    It is approaching a fortnight since Sunderland had a £14million bid accepted by Liverpool for former loanee Borini, who returned early to the UK from Liverpool’s pre-season tour of America at the weekend for treatment on a shoulder problem.

    Gus Poyet watched his words carefully when asked about Borini here in Portugal last night.

    But the Sunderland boss confirmed that the club have now held discussions with Borini himself and indicated that the Black Cats are still hopeful of signing the 23-year-old.

    Poyet said: “He is being assessed now for his shoulder injury. That’s stopped everything a little bit.

    “We will see. I have not held talks with him, but the club has, although that’s private.

    “We know where we stand.”

    While Poyet is maintaining faith that Sunderland can sign Borini, it seems to be the case that the Black Cats’ interest in fellow ex-loanee Marcos Alonso has lessened significantly since the signing of left-back Patrick van Aanholt.

    Alonso has been Sunderland’s main target to fill the problematic left-back void throughout the summer, but with Fiorentina holding out for more money for the Spaniard, the Black Cats turned their attentions to ex-Chelsea man van Aanholt.

    Sunderland’s focus now is on signing a versatile full-back, rather than another specialist left-back.

    “If you asked me before pre-season started, if I wanted two left footed left-backs, I would have said no,” said Poyet.

    “Now if Alonso becomes on loan for free then we would probably take him. We need another full-back, the idea is one who can play right and left or with Billy (Jones) covering.”

    On van Aanholt, he added: “It’s easy to bring in players who you know personally and you know what you are going to get.

    “Patrick needs to get used to plenty of things that we do, nothing difficult but he needs to get used to it.

    “But I am so happy to have him here.”


  • #498
    garra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭garra


    Kess73 wrote: »
    The main rumour doing the rounds in the UK seems to be that Willie McKay struck again, and that is why the move fell apart.


    A google search on some of Mr McKay's finest moments and his shared history with the likes of Harry Redknapp makes for some interesting reading, and shows how much of an impact agents can have

    Looking at the illustrious names on McKay's books, perhaps we have dodged a bullet with Remy's "failed medical"... Joey Barton and El Hadji Diouf to name but 2 of the biggest trouble-making spitting & punching foul-mouthed vindictive little tw&rps you could hope to see lining up for you.
    It says something about a player that he would be attracted to an agent like McKay imo.


  • #499
    Mickalus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Mickalus


    One of the things that stood out for me when Rodgers was talking about the collapse of the Remy deal, was how he said it was unfortunate for the player, and they were disappointed for Remy, but he DIDN'T say anything about how he himself (Rodgers) or the club were disappointed about the deal falling apart....


  • #500
    Kess73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Kerrigooney wrote: »
    Was he trying to get more money at the end or what?


    Is all speculation/rumour of course, but the chatter seems to be that there was extra money (wages/lump sums) and/or more changes to the contract looked for.



    The chatter suggests that a bigger slice for an agent and a hefty six figure weekly wage for the player were sought after the original terms were agreed upon.

    Some demands are supposedly been made with regards to playing time and the like.


    But is all in the realms of rumour and gossip right now, but have to admit that the pieces do seem to fit quite easily when past track records get looked into a little bit.


  • #501
    Underpaid Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Underpaid Mike


    Valbuena set to join Dinamo Moscow for £10m
    Can cross that off our list now too


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  • #502
    Cjs21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Cjs21




    If only he could do this every time he takes a shot :(


  • #503
    Kess73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Mickalus wrote: »
    One of the things that stood out for me when Rodgers was talking about the collapse of the Remy deal, was how he said it was unfortunate for the player, and they were disappointed for Remy, but he DIDN'T say anything about how he himself (Rodgers) or the club were disappointed about the deal falling apart....


    Yep thought some of what Rodgers said came across as being quite pointed.

    Rodgers seems to be quite a deliberate man when it comes to what he says in public, and took quite a bit of what he was saying to be a "sort your affairs/background team out" type message to Remy.


    Did find it amusing when Redknapp stuck his oar in though. Funny that Harry would have so much to say about the player and how the player was the fittest player he had ever seen, when it was Harry that was happy to let the same player go out on loan last season, and it is Harry who is happy to sell the player this summer.


  • #504
    Kess73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    garra wrote: »
    Looking at the illustrious names on McKay's books, perhaps we have dodged a bullet with Remy's "failed medical"... Stephen Joey Barton and El Hadji Diouf to name but 2 of the biggest trouble-making spitting & punching foul-mouthed vindictive little tw&rps you could hope to see lining up for you.
    It says something about a player that he would be attracted to an agent like McKay imo.



    Have a feeling that it is more a case of certain agents having their foot in the door with certain clubs and managers. A lot of the players that McKay signs up have a number of clubs/managers in common. I suspect it may be a similar set up to what the likes of Allardyce has with certain agents.


  • #505
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,888 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    just had a Utd fan telling me how they're going to win the league next year, and how Liverpool will plummet because we don't have Suarez and this is the season where Gerrard is going to bomb.

    it was quite aggressive for some reason too.

    last season really, really got to a few of them.

    honestly, i think they'll get top 4, with Rodgers' management of the squad having to be superb for us to get in there. i actually do make them favourites over us to get that spot.

    but my God, one season in the doldrums sent a few of them insane.


  • #506
    Strongbow10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Strongbow10


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Have a feeling that it is more a case of certain agents having their foot in the door with certain clubs and managers. A lot of the players that McKay signs up have a number of clubs/managers in common. I suspect it may be a similar set up to what the likes of Allardyce has with certain agents.

    Harry probably has a deal with QPR where he gets a % of any transfer fee for players sold that he himself signed. Perhaps a percentage of the profits or something like that, there are managers that have deals where its nearly in their financial interests to sell their best assets if it means lining their own pockets.


  • #507
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,316 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Mickalus wrote: »
    One of the things that stood out for me when Rodgers was talking about the collapse of the Remy deal, was how he said it was unfortunate for the player, and they were disappointed for Remy, but he DIDN'T say anything about how he himself (Rodgers) or the club were disappointed about the deal falling apart....

    Between the lines, that was a great show in its day!

    It could well be the medical gave them a reason to not sign him. Tbh, and I said it was a no brainer signing him at that money, I'm not majorly disappointed. A squad player for me, but if he has attitude issues it doesn't matter how cheap he is, Moses anybody?

    Jesus, things are gone quiet, Origi signed and doesn't seem to be any reputable links to anybody in the last few days. Remy falling through and the tour probably doesn't help.

    On players leaving, I'd a feeling these would drag on late. Everybody knows we've money to spend but aren't under any major pressure to sell, interested clubs were always going to drag these things out.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #508
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,888 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Schneiderlin has apparently handed in a transfer request.

    they won't be getting £27m for him now.

    throw in £15-£18m and you have someone who can cover for and compete with Gerrard.

    yes, yes, I know we'd be taking the píss with the pillaging of Southampton, but he's an excellent player IMO, and would be a stabilising influence that I'm not that sure is in there right now.

    Lucas is not what we need.

    i'm ready for you all to shoot me for suggesting another Southampton player BTW.


  • #509
    Soft Falling Rain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    SlickRic wrote: »
    just had a Utd fan telling me how they're going to win the league next year, and how Liverpool will plummet because we don't have Suarez and this is the season where Gerrard is going to bomb.

    it was quite aggressive for some reason too.

    last season really, really got to a few of them.

    honestly, i think they'll get top 4, with Rodgers' management of the squad having to be superb for us to get in there. i actually do make them favourites over us to get that spot.

    but my God, one season in the doldrums sent a few of them insane.

    Understandable tbh, the pressure is massive on their team. Another season out of the top 4 and the sheer panic of a possible downward spiral that's hard to stop begins.


  • #510
    Kess73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    SlickRic wrote: »
    just had a Utd fan telling me how they're going to win the league next year, and how Liverpool will plummet because we don't have Suarez and this is the season where Gerrard is going to bomb.

    it was quite aggressive for some reason too.

    last season really, really got to a few of them.

    honestly, i think they'll get top 4, with Rodgers' management of the squad having to be superb for us to get in there. i actually do make them favourites over us to get that spot.

    but my God, one season in the doldrums sent a few of them insane.


    To be fair, I can remember going lulah for a season or two after Kenny first left us. Was very off putting to suddenly be out of the mix, although got plenty of practise getting used to it since. :)



    Do agree that it will be tough going this coming season. There will be a cluster of six or seven who will all be capable of going for a top 4 finish, not to mention whatever team turns out to be the surprise package and ends up taking points off of a lot of the big teams before fading.


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  • #511
    kfallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    That first full season under Souness.....mother of God!

    And the year we won our first 3 league games against Sheff Wed, QPR and Swindon, Christ we thought we were back in the big time (Nigel Clough was the signing of the season!!! :pac:) til Spurs done a job on us at Anfield. If nothing else tho I think that was the season Fowler was introduced into the team :)


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