Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 *mod warning linked in OP 26/07*

Mickalus wrote: »

I always look at it that Newcastle robbed Chelsea. Liverpool agreed to sell Torres for whatever Carroll cost + £15m.
If we got Carroll for £5m, Torres would only have been £20m

tomaussie wrote: »

My memory of that event is that Mickalus is 100% correct. Newcastle understood that Chelsea were effectively paying for Carroll and milked it accordingly.

They said this at the time, but I really hope it's not true. Makes us look exceptionally stupid.

They're effectively saying that if Newcastle had only wanted 20 million, we'd have done a deal with Chelsea for 35 million. Regardless of what Newcastle were doing, we should have been trying to get the best deal possible from Chelsea. We should have been buying for 15 to 20, and selling for 50+

hangballlouie wrote: »

The highlight from the game was 100% Emre Can. The guy is a dreamboat. Swoon!!

Here are the highlights of him. He looked class

http://www.footylounge.com/films//edenhazard10i/emre-can-vs-roma-14-15-hd-720p-video_46894c20f.html

Charlie19 wrote: »

Post reported.

Careful now. If you don't specify that you're joking you're liable to pick up a warning.

magentis wrote: »

Im a liverbird upon my chest fan,let no one question my loyalties.

But for me Steven Gerrard has no role in this team going forward.

We don't need our captain or a leader in the team that wants this club to succeed with every ounce of his soul?

Yeah fk it, this leadership stuff is overrated, we'd have pissed the league last year without a manager.

magentis wrote: »

Im a liverbird upon my chest fan,let no one question my loyalties.

But for me Steven Gerrard has no role in this team going forward.

How do you think he and the team played from Feb onwards last year?

Hollister11 wrote: »

Lads here is question for you -
Who do you think will be out next captain ?

I personally think it should be Henderson. He Is starting to mature and is playing quite well. If it's not him Lallana

Henderson isn't really leadership material unless he does an awful lot of growing up. There's been a few glimpses over the past couple of years but there's been plenty of hiding as well. He's only just turned 24 so he has time.

It seemed like Lucas and Agger were being groomed but I can't see either sticking around long.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of the lads from this window (in 2 years time).

jasonb wrote: »

Assuming the other people we're constantly linked with (Remy, Lovren and either Moreno or Bertrand) are actually signed, would people then be happy with the transfer window? Or does there have to be a 'star' signing to make it a successful one? And is the 'star' signing necessary purely because we lost Suarez and/or have £75m to spend, even though everyone knows Suarez can't be replaced?

It's hard to say.

What are we trying to do this season? If the goal is to win the league then, while these signings have been excellent on the face of it in their own way, they're far from being ambitious enough.

If we're progressing along on our 5-year plan or whatever and the goal is to stick in the CL (with last season being an anomaly), then we're probably ok.

Unless we absolute nail that superstar, it might not be worth getting them just for the sake of it. If they're going to peak this season and next season, unless they're serious business I can't see it being enough to win the league.

On the other hand, if we solidify our position over 2 or 3 years and get within striking distance, then might be the time to go for the throat and get that superstar.

Without crazy money it'll be very difficult to maintain success so we might have to accept flittering around most of the time and taking a run at winning the big trophies once every few years.

The main problem with Gerrard in the team is that he's being played in a Pirlo type of role, but it's completely ineffective. Pirlo saunters around the Juve midfield at a snails pace, because the team plays around him to suit his style of play. It's a very slow, deliberate style of play, with short, accurate passing, rarely looking for the killer pass in behind. We have Gerrard playing like this, yet his teammates playing the complete opposite of this. Gerrard doesn't belong in our fast, counter-attacking style of play. He's not a box-to-box midfielder anymore. We need someone like Khedira, Vidal or Matuidi to replace him, and that's how we'll get the most out of our midfield. Just my opinion.

The closest Henderson should get to the armband, right now, is when he's standing in the wall next to Gerrard.

As much as I rate him, I really don't see him as captain material.

Not even kidding, if Gerrard goes down injured, or is rested at some stage, the armband will probably go to Johnson :pac:

martyos121 wrote: »

The main problem with Gerrard in the team is that he's being played in a Pirlo type of role, but it's completely ineffective. Pirlo saunters around the Juve midfield at a snails pace, because the team plays around him to suit his style of play. It's a very slow, deliberate style of play, with short, accurate passing, rarely looking for the killer pass in behind. We have Gerrard playing like this, yet his teammates playing the complete opposite of this. Gerrard doesn't belong in our fast, counter-attacking style of play. He's not a box-to-box midfielder anymore. We need someone like Khedira, Vidal or Matuidi to replace him, and that's how we'll get the most out of our midfield. Just my opinion.

Completely ineffective the results would indicate otherwise. He does belong in our fast counter attacking style as he is one of the few players in england that has the passing ability to turn defence into attack from a deep position.

magentis wrote: »

Im not doubting his passing ability for a second.
But he has got burned for pace a few times.

I dont think he is that slow at all much quicker than lucas and at a par with allen. The likes of gareth barry are slow and do a decent job in that role. I thought when he was playing higher up the pitch in the first half of the season he was clearly struggling energy wise with that role but personally cant remember a game from the DM role where I thought his pace was an issue.

Gerrard has no role in our team? A player who scored 13 goals and had 13 assists last season?

I mean I'll be one of the first to say he shouldn't be viewed as a guaranteed starter but he certainly has a role to play and I would guess has a big part to play next season.