Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

bumper234 · 24-07-2014 08:54AM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

He also said he was annoyed about the protests in Dublin and was disgusted with Ireland for letting them happen. Then went on to say that anyone who supports Palestine or protests against Israel is a supporter of terrorism.

Deleted my long post because i couldn't afford another ban (i am trying mods honestly

) , Needles to say i am pissed off with what he said :mad:

danniemcq · 24-07-2014 09:05AM

speedboatchase wrote: »

And the rockets? Has Hamas stopped firing rockets for no apparent reason?

Funny how Hamas actually tried to stop rockets being fired into Israel before this conflict and only started launching them after Israel began bombing Gaza

I'm gonna use Israeli sources on these that i read about elsewhere to avoid calls of being biased as the original poster did

Hamas deploys 600-strong force to prevent rocket fire at Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-establishes-special-force-to-prevent-rocket-fire/#ixzz37MFA5sKO

Hamas arrests terror cell responsible for rocket fire on Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-arrests-terror-cell-responsible-for-rocket-fire-on-israel/#ixzz37MFLhn3Q

An Israeli army general says Hamas is stopping attacks against Israel and even ‘keeps the peace’ when the IDF operates along the border.

http://972mag.com/head-of-idfs-gaza-command-hamas-is-the-new-policeman-in-gaza/82895/

As far as is known, the Hamas leadership in Gaza was not part of the chain of command behind the abduction, carried out by a Hamas cell from Hebron on July 12.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.603889

Hamas has had no interest in a major escalation, and had not been directly attacking Israel until the last few days. But ever since one of its members, Mohammed Obeid, was killed in an Israeli border attack at the end of last month — an apparent error: the IDF thought it was firing at a rocket-launch cell, but actually struck Hamas members deployed to prevent rocket fire — it has changed its approach.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-smells-israels-fear-of-escalation-and-so-the-rockets-keep-coming/

Other reading

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21607895-hamas-wants-two-big-concessions-it-may-not-get-them-why-hamas-fires-those-rockets

After the last ceasefire the siege was meant to be gradually lifted. It never was

http://forward.com/articles/201764/how-politics-and-lies-triggered-an-unintended-war?p=2
more details on who carried out the kidnapping of the three teens

http://972mag.com/how-the-public-was-manipulated-into-believing-the-teens-were-alive/92865/

How Israel lied saying that the teens were alive when they knew they were dead

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21607895-hamas-wants-two-big-concessions-it-may-not-get-them-why-hamas-fires-those-rockets

Hamas calls for the release of all those arrested and imprisoned without trial during the initial raids as part of any peace deal

and for the record this shows a comparison of the missiles used by both sides.

http://i.imgur.com/d0VlmZo.jpg

And Israel have their Iron Dome protection system, the Gaza strip has ummm nothing.

The Iron Dome though is having issues and they need money to replace parts

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-23/israel-s-iron-dome-defense-in-line-for-tripled-u-s-aid.html

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.606842#!

If this money is given it would be over half a billion dollars in a week.

Tony EH · 24-07-2014 09:07AM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

He kept going back to saying "we have a right to defend ourselves from these rockets" which is true.... it's why they have a missile defence system. What they're doing isn't defence, it out and out murder.

"We have a right to defend ourselves"

has become

"We have an excuse to slaughter"

Tony EH · 24-07-2014 09:09AM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

He also said he was annoyed about the protests in Dublin and was disgusted with Ireland for letting them happen. Then went on to say that anyone who supports Palestine or protests against Israel is a supporter of terrorism.

Was that that wanker Paul Hershon?

I've lost patience listening to his bullshit propaganda.

Buzz Killington the third · 24-07-2014 09:13AM

You'll probably hear it here http://www.newstalk.ie/player/listen_back/5/11538/24th_July_2014_-_Breakfast_Part_3

wes · 24-07-2014 09:20AM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

Straight from the mouth of the Israeli Ambassador on Newstalk around 15 minutes ago when asked about the slaughter of civilians including children "We killed them, but it was Hamas who murdered them". Ivan Yates called him on it and he said it was the fault of Hamas because they keep firing rockets.

We really should expel the Ambassador, seeing as he is making excuses for the murder of children. Disgusting carry on from him altogether.

Warper · 24-07-2014 09:27AM

wes wrote: »

We really should expel the Ambassador, seeing as he is making excuses for the murder of children. Disgusting carry on from him altogether.

I agree, he should be expelled straight away but zero chance of that.

Of course only 1 country rejected the UN inquiry into possible war crimes in Gaza, that great stalwart of the free world and peace loving country - USA. Way to go USA, hand in hand with genocide once again.

Israel denied any wrongdoing. "Get lost," Justice Minister Tzipi Livni said on her Facebook page in response to the investigation. Israel and USA are countries to look up to.

Why wont Israel ease the siege on Gaza?????? Those cruel sadistic people of Israel

wes · 24-07-2014 09:29AM

Warper wrote: »

Those cruel sadistic people of Israel

Lets not blame all Israeli's, its there government who are responsible.

Buzz Killington the third · 24-07-2014 09:38AM

Warper wrote: »

Of course only 1 country rejected the UN inquiry into possible war crimes in Gaza, that great stalwart of the free world and peace loving country - USA. Way to go USA, hand in hand with genocide once again.

They have the 2nd highest Jewish population on the planet, not that far of Israel itself actually. They're a very powerful people over there so they're not going to piss them off, even if they're in the wrong.

Israel Jewish Population : 6,180,300
United States Jewish Population : 5,425,000

FTA69 · 24-07-2014 09:57AM

Warper wrote: »

I agree, he should be expelled straight away but zero chance of that.

Of course only 1 country rejected the UN inquiry into possible war crimes in Gaza, that great stalwart of the free world and peace loving country - USA. Way to go USA, hand in hand with genocide once again.

Every EU country, including Ireland, abstained from voting. Which is as bad as voting no in my opinion.

WakeUp · 24-07-2014 10:03AM

wes wrote: »

We really should expel the Ambassador, seeing as he is making excuses for the murder of children. Disgusting carry on from him altogether.

I would agree with this. we should also recall our ambassador from Tel Aviv.

Brazil have recalled their ambassador..

"The Brazilian government considers unacceptable [the] escalation of violence between Israel and Palestine," the Brazilian Foreign Ministry said in a statement Wednesday on its website. "We strongly condemn the disproportionate use of force by Israel in the Gaza Strip, from which large numbers of civilian casualties, including women and children resulted."
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Jul-24/264966-brazil-recalls-ambassador-from-israel-over-gaza-assault.ashx#axzz38NY5HMuR

speedboatchase · 24-07-2014 10:04AM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

Straight from the mouth of the Israeli Ambassador on Newstalk around 15 minutes ago when asked about the slaughter of civilians including children "We killed them, but it was Hamas who murdered them". Ivan Yates called him on it and he said it was the fault of Hamas because they keep firing rockets.

He kept going back to saying "we have a right to defend ourselves from these rockets" which is true.... it's why they have a missile defence system. What they're doing isn't defence, it out and out murder.

Hang on. So Israel is not allowed retaliate in any way? It should just rely on Iron Dome and hope no one gets killed, hoping that eventually Hamas will just run out of rockets?

NewCorkLad · 24-07-2014 10:04AM

FTA69 wrote: »

Every EU country, including Ireland, abstained from voting. Which is as bad as voting no in my opinion.

I can understand their reason for abstaining but I didnt see any of them willing to put forward the proposal to investigate both sides for human rights violations so it doesnt carry a huge amount of weight with me.

Buzz Killington the third · 24-07-2014 10:07AM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Hang on. So Israel is not allowed retaliate in any way?

How Israel is "retaliating" is by murdering civilians! They're cracking a walnut with a hammer!

JeffKenna · 24-07-2014 10:13AM

wes wrote: »

We really should expel the Ambassador, seeing as he is making excuses for the murder of children. Disgusting carry on from him altogether.

I agree 100%

I think he made one correct point however. 30,000 dead in Syria since the start of the year. Why have we all forgot about that since it's out of the news??

danniemcq · 24-07-2014 10:15AM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Hang on. So Israel is not allowed retaliate in any way? It should just rely on Iron Dome and hope no one gets killed, hoping that eventually Hamas will just run out of rockets?

Once again I’d like to point out that Hamas only started launching rockets AFTER Israel began their bombing campaign.

So how is it that Israel are retaliating and not the aggressor in this?

FTA69 · 24-07-2014 10:19AM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Hang on. So Israel is not allowed retaliate in any way? It should just rely on Iron Dome and hope no one gets killed, hoping that eventually Hamas will just run out of rockets?

It is not "retaliating", it is instigating. You do realise that Israel initiated this latest round of conflict don't you? And that Hamas hadn't fired rockets at Israel for 18 months?

Your narrative of self-defense is laughable considering they are presiding over a brutal military occupation for the past 45 odd years.

WakeUp · 24-07-2014 10:21AM

Israeli air strike kills three UN workers and hits UNRWA shelter.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-crisis-israeli-air-strikes-kill-three-un-workers-hits-unrwa-shelter-1458086

speedboatchase · 24-07-2014 10:23AM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

How Israel is "retaliating" is by murdering civilians! They're cracking a walnut with a hammer!

Hamas loves dead Palestinians - civilians especially, as they aren't allowed the foreign press to photograph dead militants. They use their people to protect their weapons and love using their human shields as propaganda tools. Even UN schools in Gaza aren't above being used as weapons caches: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/22/Complicit-in-Terror-Rockets-Found-At-US-Funded-UN-School-In-Gaza-For-Second-Time

speedboatchase · 24-07-2014 10:32AM

Genuine question for the Palestinian and/or Hamas supporters here.

What (realistically) do you want to happen next? Do you want a ceasefire? Do you want Hamas to keep firing rockets?

Personally I want a ceasefire but I think after Israel went into the ground op after Hamas rejecting the Egypt truce, both sides were put in a position where they now need a PR victory, and it's impossible for both to get that at this point.

NewCorkLad · 24-07-2014 10:33AM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Hamas loves dead Palestinians - civilians especially, as they aren't allowed the foreign press to photograph dead militants. They use their people to protect their weapons and love using their human shields as propaganda tools. Even UN schools in Gaza aren't above being used as weapons caches: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/22/Complicit-in-Terror-Rockets-Found-At-US-Funded-UN-School-In-Gaza-For-Second-Time

I really couldn't careless what Hamas are doing at the moment they are a terrorist group, they are gonna keep on doing whatever they want to do. Israel are the ones killing the vast majority of innocent civilians and kids and they are the ones who initiated this round of bomb tennis and as a pro Israeli person already acknowledged these attacks will only lead to more blood shed and never lead to a lasting peace so they are pointlessly killing women and children.

Archie D Bunker · 24-07-2014 10:33AM

Seems Pallywood is already contributing to the Palestinian struggle, oscar nominations to follow!

http://www.thomaswictor.com/fake-atrocity-video-from-gaza/

Warper · 24-07-2014 10:54AM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Genuine question for the Palestinian and/or Hamas supporters here.

What (realistically) do you want to happen next? Do you want a ceasefire? Do you want Hamas to keep firing rockets?

Personally I want a ceasefire but I think after Israel went into the ground op after Hamas rejecting the Egypt truce, both sides were put in a position where they now need a PR victory, and it's impossible for both to get that at this point.

Everyone wants a ceasefire but only if basic human needs are included as part of the deal. Israel needs to lift the blockade, simple as that. I ask you why is that too much to ask?

eeepaulo · 24-07-2014 10:54AM

(Taken from national journal by Marina Koren)

The United Nations Human Rights Council voted Wednesday to establish an inquiry to investigate possible war crimes in the Gaza Strip.

Of the 47 participating countries on the council, 29 voted for opening an investigation, 17 abstained, and one voted against. ABC's foreign editor Jon Williams has the visual here.

Countries that voted in the affirmative are, in alphabetical order: Algeria, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, China, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Costa Rica, Cote d'Ivoire, Cuba, Ethiopia, India, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, the Maldives, Mexico, Morocco, Namibia, Pakistan, Peru, the Philippines, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Sierra Leone, the United Arab Emirates, Venezuela, and Vietnam.

Countries that abstained are Austria, Benin, Botswana, Burkina Faso, the Czech Republic, Estonia, France, Gabon, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Montenegro, South Korea, Romania, the Republic of Macedonia, and the United Kingdom.

The sole dissenting vote came from the United States, Israel's most vocal supporter.

I can just imagine our representatives looking to the good ol' bringers of freedom like a little lapdog

Buzz Killington the third · 24-07-2014 10:55AM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Genuine question for the Palestinian and/or Hamas supporters here.

What (realistically) do you want to happen next? Do you want a ceasefire? Do you want Hamas to keep firing rockets?

Personally I want a ceasefire but I think after Israel went into the ground op after Hamas rejecting the Egypt truce, both sides were put in a position where they now need a PR victory, and it's impossible for both to get that at this point.

I posted an article yesterday which stated that Palestinian decision making bodies had backed demands made by Hamas for a peace deal but a ceasefire wont happen because Israel has said that Hamas are terrorists(which is true) and they wont deal with terrorists. So where can peace talks even begin?

100s of civilians are dying because of the heavy handed tactics of Israel and it needs to stop. They've now even killed UN workers fss... There's no stopping how far they will take it unless the Palestinian people are extinct, they're just using Hamas as an excuse!

danniemcq · 24-07-2014 10:56AM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Genuine question for the Palestinian and/or Hamas supporters here.

What (realistically) do you want to happen next? Do you want a ceasefire? Do you want Hamas to keep firing rockets?

Personally I want a ceasefire but I think after Israel went into the ground op after Hamas rejecting the Egypt truce, both sides were put in a position where they now need a PR victory, and it's impossible for both to get that at this point.

Is this the peace talks that had nobody from Hamas at them?

The one where Hamas was never briefed on?

The one they learned about on the news?

On Saturday, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said his organization had not been presented with any ceasefire offers: “They didn’t present any plan or outline for a ceasefire,“ he said. According to Abu Zuhri, a temporary truce cannot be discussed so long as the “aggression continues.”

Read more: Hamas rejected Egyptian proposal to hold fire | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-rejects-egyptian-proposal-to-hold-fire/#ixzz38NlN8QFD

and

http://theweek.com/article/index/264984/israels-invasion-of-gaza-shows-peace-talks-were-a-sham-all-along

Warper · 24-07-2014 10:58AM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

They have the 2nd highest Jewish population on the planet, not that far of Israel itself actually. They're a very powerful people over there so they're not going to piss them off, even if they're in the wrong.

Israel Jewish Population : 6,180,300
United States Jewish Population : 5,425,000

That is less than 2% of the American population. There is simply no excuse in voting no to a UN backed investigation of war crimes

bumper234 · 24-07-2014 10:59AM

Warper wrote: »

That is less than 2% of the American population. There is simply no excuse in voting no to a UN backed investigation of war crimes

They have one of the strongest lobby groups though, I don't care what you say...American politicians are for sale and Israeli lobbyists have the deepest pockets to pay them.

Buzz Killington the third · 24-07-2014 11:04AM

Warper wrote: »

That is less than 2% of the American population. There is simply no excuse in voting no to a UN backed investigation of war crimes

The Zionists are a massively powerful group disregarding their low percentage in terms of the total population.

WakeUp · 24-07-2014 11:08AM

Dozens of IDF reservists refuse to take part in ground offensive...

"We were soldiers in a wide variety of units and positions in the Israeli military—a fact we now regret, because, in our service, we found that troops who operate in the occupied territories aren't the only ones enforcing the mechanisms of control over Palestinian lives. In truth, the entire military is implicated," they wrote.

"Many of us served in logistical and bureaucratic support roles; there, we found that the entire military helps implement the oppression of the Palestinians.

"The military plays a central role in every action plan and proposal discussed in the national conversation, which explains the absence of any real argument about non-military solutions to the conflicts Israel has been locked in with its neighbours.

"The military enshrines an image of the 'good Israeli,' who in reality derives his power by subjugating others.

"By law, some of us are still registered as part of the reserved forces [others have managed to win exemptions or have been granted them upon their release], and the military keeps our names and personal information, as well as the legal option to order us to 'service.' But we will not participate — in any way."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-gaza-crisis-dozens-idf-reservists-refuse-take-part-ground-invasion-1458078

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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