Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

redbaron_99 · 23-07-2014 10:38AM

RichFTW wrote: »

Maybe he has other deals lined up so? I think he does and that they are mostly Dutch players. They did just finish 3rd in the world cup and LVG knows them well.

LB & CM could be covered by signing Blind. CB by signing De Vrij. Two signings for a manager who just coached them at the world cup would be a realistic possibility in my view.

As a CEO, Woodward would be hurting after last year and would have been planning every possible way to rectify the situation since then. Any top level business man would be and that is what he is.

Fair enough. I'm not stating "WE ARE NOT SIGNING ANYONE EVER AGAIN!". I'm just concerned that leaving it late to do transfers can be a major risk. If they hit a snag, you miss the window, or the price goes sky high if it enter the last couple of days of the window.

As for Blind, if we're in for him, surely the bid would be made by now. LVG knows the lad very well, and doesnt need to scout or anything. Blind came out the other day and said he wants his future sorted this week, or he'll remain at Ajax. We're leaving it rather late at this stage.

Adamocovic · 23-07-2014 10:40AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Does Cuadrado not have some stupidly high buyout clause or did I imagine that?

Im not exactly sure on the exact figure for the buyout clause as I have read conflicted reports. From what I gather the buy out clause is between £26-£31 million. Hard to tell exactly, different papers have different figures.

bucketybuck · 23-07-2014 10:40AM

zerks wrote: »

I believe Woodward was so bullish in his interview because a few signings are already done deals but will be announced when the club are ready,not when the media or fans are.

If they are done deals then those players would be better served integrating with the rest of the squad on tour than waiting for the perfect media moment to say hello.

Lord TSC · 23-07-2014 10:40AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Does Cuadrado not have some stupidly high buyout clause or did I imagine that?

Yeah, somewhere around 40m if I remember right. But the general talk seems to be they'd accept round 30m and not force the whole buyout clause....

Adamcp898 · 23-07-2014 10:40AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Does Cuadrado not have some stupidly high buyout clause or did I imagine that?

I think when Fiorentina bought him outright before the WC it was set at €40 million. Don't think I'd be confident paying that.

Backstreet Moyes · 23-07-2014 10:41AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

It's getting close to the start of the season. There's some obvious weaknesses in the squad. Weaknesses that could really hurt next season if we get our usual spate of defensive injuries. People are concerned, yes. Why shouldnt they be?

Why are people concerned is beyond me.

Do you think a manager of his experience is saying oh yes we will be alright starting the season with 5 defenders. Their will be signings i have no doubt i don't know how anybody could worry it would be any different. LVG obviously want;s to look at the defenders up close and decide if they are good enough to start and if he needs competition or to improve on them.

I am surprised the deal for De Vrij has not been done yet. I would also like Santon he is young will improve and is versatile at lb and rb. I would be happy with that i don't think Hummels is an option.

De Vrij 8m and Santon 10m would be good deals imo.

bucketybuck · 23-07-2014 10:42AM

Adamocovic wrote: »

So apparently a bid of £42.5 million will be launched for Vidal in the coming days.

Yesterday we had "entered advanced negotiations", today we are close to "launching a bid".

Why do people bother with this rubbish?

The Moldy Gowl · 23-07-2014 10:44AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Fair enough. I'm not stating "WE ARE NOT SIGNING ANYONE EVER AGAIN!". I'm just concerned that leaving it late to do transfers can be a major risk. If they hit a snag, you miss the window, or the price goes sky high if it enter the last couple of days of the window.

As for Blind, if we're in for him, surely the bid would be made by now. LVG knows the lad very well, and doesnt need to scout or anything. Blind came out the other day and said he wants his future sorted this week, or he'll remain at Ajax. We're leaving it rather late at this stage.

Ya because he is going to pull a hissy fit next week if we coming looking to give him his biggest career move he will ever get.

redbaron_99 · 23-07-2014 10:45AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Why are people concerned is beyond me.

Do you think a manager of his experience is saying oh yes we will be alright starting the season with 5 defenders. Their will be signings i have no doubt i don't know how anybody could worry it would be any different. LVG obviously want;s to look at the defenders up close and decide if they are good enough to start and if he needs competition or to improve on them.

I am surprised the deal for De Vrij has not been done yet. I would also like Santon he is young will improve and is versatile at lb and rb. I would be happy with that i don't think Hummels is an option.

De Vrij 8m and Santon 10m would be good deals imo.

Do you honestly believe there a group of players out there that have agreed to sign, but are waiting for LVG to make up his mind if they are needed or not?
I don't buy that.

Adamocovic · 23-07-2014 10:45AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

What has you thinking that? I havent read anything with substance in relation to Vidal joining us

Read it on a few websites and papers saying a bid was being prepared,it was on Metro, Goal.com, Caughtoffsids, Business Time and few other ones. I know it's not credible sources atm. And I'm not saying it is true.

I added after "Let's just say it's true" just to talk about potential players that we could buy for ~£90 million with the proposed prices.

The Moldy Gowl · 23-07-2014 10:47AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yesterday we had "entered advanced negotiations", today we are close to "launching a bid".

Why do people bother with this rubbish?

They are preparing a bid to launch into advanced negotiations.

beakerjoe · 23-07-2014 10:47AM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Read it on a few websites and papers saying a bid was being prepared,it was on Metro, Goal.com, Caughtoffsids, Business Time and few other ones. I know it's not credible sources atm. And I'm not saying it is true.

I added after "Let's just say it's true" just to talk about potential players that we could buy for ~£90 million with the proposed prices.

Yeah Id imagine its all page filler stuff. Di Maria and Vidal dont look like happening.

redbaron_99 · 23-07-2014 10:47AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Ya because he is going to pull a hissy fit next week if we coming looking to give him his biggest career move he will ever get.

LVG doesnt need a couple of weeks with the squad to figure out we need cover at LB. The fact we havent gone in for Blind (a player LVG knows) suggests to me that he isnt a target. And making up his mind this week may mean he's off to another club.

Adamocovic · 23-07-2014 10:48AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yesterday we had "entered advanced negotiations", today we are close to "launching a bid".

Why do people bother with this rubbish?

Why are people only quoting that bit from me? I clearly said after "Let's just say it's true". Im not saying it is I was using that if thats what the price for Vidal will be who could we purchase for around 90million, which realistically will be what the club are planning on spending, money from sales of players excluded.

RichFTW · 23-07-2014 10:48AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Fair enough. I'm not stating "WE ARE NOT SIGNING ANYONE EVER AGAIN!". I'm just concerned that leaving it late to do transfers can be a major risk. If they hit a snag, you miss the window, or the price goes sky high if it enter the last couple of days of the window.

As for Blind, if we're in for him, surely the bid would be made by now. LVG knows the lad very well, and doesnt need to scout or anything. Blind came out the other day and said he wants his future sorted this week, or he'll remain at Ajax. We're leaving it rather late at this stage.

Ya it is a risk leaving it late but that's the price of hiring a manager who only got back from managing at the world cup 2 weeks ago. There was always going to be delays.

If that's the case with Blind, I would be expecting to see him in a United shirt by the end of the week. Hopefully!

Mikeyt086 · 23-07-2014 10:49AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yesterday we had "entered advanced negotiations", today we are close to "launching a bid".

Why do people bother with this rubbish?

Transfer gossip is for men what glossy magazines are for women.

Let them enjoy it and don't you ****ing dare question it.

Rubber_Soul · 23-07-2014 10:51AM

zerks wrote: »

I believe Woodward was so bullish in his interview because a few signings are already done deals but will be announced when the club are ready,not when the media or fans are.

Aside from players that are still off on holidays after reaching the latter stages of the World Cup, I can't see any logical reason for not announcing a completed deal.

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Fair enough. I'm not stating "WE ARE NOT SIGNING ANYONE EVER AGAIN!". I'm just concerned that leaving it late to do transfers can be a major risk. If they hit a snag, you miss the window, or the price goes sky high if it enter the last couple of days of the window.

I'm concerned myself that we haven't got players in and are looking a bit bareboned in areas 3 weeks before the season starts, but this is the price we pay for Moyes' failure. The only other alternatives were to hire someone other than LvG that wouldn't be tied up at WC, or allow a non-footballing exec like Woodward to decide transfer targets and hope LvG fancies them. It's just a sad reality that we may have to go down to the wire again re. transfers but there's mitigating circumstances and fans should face up to that reality imo.

glued · 23-07-2014 10:51AM

United are totally distancing themselves from Vidal which makes me think that it's unlikely. It appears that United are concentrating on bringing in a couple of defenders at the moment.

I'd put my money on De Vrij and Blind atm.

Donnielighto · 23-07-2014 10:52AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Should we all just shift to break the tension?

gowl, shift. You're from connacht and less than 22 I'd say.

Donnielighto · 23-07-2014 10:53AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

yep, that appears to be the case.

you're not moaning, about the people, who are moaning about the moaning by moaners any chance?

Homer made a funny!!!!!

(Granted I made the exact same joke a posts before it and he get's more thanks

)

redbaron_99 · 23-07-2014 10:53AM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Aside from players that are still off on holidays after reaching the latter stages of the World Cup, I can't see any logical reason for not announcing a completed deal.

I'm concerned myself that we haven't got players in and are looking a bit bareboned in areas 3 weeks before the season starts, but this is the price we pay for Moyes' failure. The only other alternatives were to hire someone other than LvG that wouldn't be tied up at WC, or allow a non-footballing exec like Woodward to decide transfer targets and hope LvG fancies them. It's just a sad reality that we may have to go down to the wire again re. transfers but there's mitigating circumstances and fans should face up to that reality imo.

That's just a lazy ass excuse, It really is. The club we in contact with LVG for months now. Even before Moyes got the bullet. The transfer targets and dealings could be done now.
Moyes is gone. You can't keep blaming him.

Kirby · 23-07-2014 10:54AM

StarshipPooper wrote: »

Aside from players that are still off on holidays after reaching the latter stages of the World Cup, I can't see any logical reason for not announcing a completed deal.

I'm concerned myself that we haven't got players in and are looking a bit bareboned in areas 3 weeks before the season starts, but this is the price we pay for Moyes' failure. The only other alternatives were to hire someone other than LvG that wouldn't be tied up at WC, or allow a non-footballing exec like Woodward to decide transfer targets and hope LvG fancies them. It's just a sad reality that we may have to go down to the wire again re. transfers but there's mitigating circumstances and fans should face up to that reality imo.

Fergie has to take most of the blame for the state the squad is in. He wasted a lot of money in recent years, mishandled Pogba, and completely ignored central midfield.

Moyes wasn't right for the job....I said that when he was hired and tbh I think everyone knew it. But you can't be blaming him for the state of the United squad. He was in the job for less than a year.

Maximus Alexander · 23-07-2014 10:54AM

Donnielighto wrote: »

gowl, shift. You're from connacht and less than 22 I'd say.

Less than 22? The Connacht lasses were shifting and getting their gowls out in my day and I'm 28.

The Moldy Gowl · 23-07-2014 10:55AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

LVG doesnt need a couple of weeks with the squad to figure out we need cover at LB. The fact we havent gone in for Blind (a player LVG knows) suggests to me that he isnt a target. And making up his mind this week may mean he's off to another club.

but how do you who we are and are not in for?

Soccer clubs are business', a business does not let people know what their plans are or the details of financial contracts.

And certainly the people who do know are not the type to go telling the media.

Like I'm not allowed talk about the stuff I see everyday in work even though I am on the lowest rung. Surely football clubs are the same

redbaron_99 · 23-07-2014 10:56AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

but how do you who we are and are not in for?

Soccer clubs are business', a business does not let people know what their plans are or the details of financial contracts.

And certainly the people who do know are not the type to go telling the media.

Like I'm not allowed talk about the stuff I see everyday in work even though I am on the lowest rung. Surely football clubs are the same

Maybe we are in for him. Maybe we'll still be in for him in October.
Maybe we'll step up our interest in him after Roma buy him. That tactic worked very well with Strootman.

The Moldy Gowl · 23-07-2014 10:57AM

Donnielighto wrote: »

gowl, shift. You're from connacht and less than 22 I'd say.

Ill shift your gowl.

Nah, nearly 25, Limerick. I can throw in a yurt for you if you want?

becase that makes a difference?

So, ill just rule you out of our shift.

The Moldy Gowl · 23-07-2014 10:58AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Maybe we are in for him. Maybe we'll still be in for him in October.

Maybe we are in for Messi as well?

MagicIRL · 23-07-2014 10:59AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Maybe we are in for Messi as well?

Ronaldo is our only man.

redbaron_99 · 23-07-2014 11:00AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Maybe we are in for Messi as well?

Na, dude, he's off to Liverpool with Reus, Pogba, Vidal and Di Maria.

Rubber_Soul · 23-07-2014 11:00AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

That's just a lazy ass excuse, It really is. The club we in contact with LVG for months now. Even before Moyes got the bullet. The transfer targets and dealings could be done now.
Moyes is gone. You can't keep blaming him.

It really isn't. The club had been working all last season on Moyes' targets, new manager comes in and has new targets. Now in the case of Herrera and Shaw he signed off on two of those targets, other deals that were being worked on were likely scrapped putting us back to square one and having to do the groundwork all over again.

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