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Toaiseach intervenes in Brooks debacle.

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  • #572
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Well which is it?
    Pro-GBers are saying Keegan's "support" was a guarantee of licensing 5 night, as Aiken seems to be insisting it was. But that means Aiken was expecting there to be no consultation process with other interested parties (Gardaí, HSE, residents) or else that process would be ignored. That the "nod and wink", old style planning. Either Aiken is just telling porkies or he thought the planning process is a sham.

    What?? I honestly cannot believe what I am reading.

    After all that has been written over the past two dozen posts or so, you ask the above??

    I haven't read, nor heard, one person, either on Boards or in the media, who you would refer to as being "Pro-GB" say that they felt Keegan saying he "supported" the application was a "guarantee" that the five concerts would get licenced. NOT ONE and that inlcudes Aiken, Duffy and McKenna.

    What Aiken / Croke Park have said is that they were given no indication that there were unaddressed issues with the licence application process and that they felt they had met the additionality which was required to them by DCC, with regards to addressing the concerns of the residents.

    What I have heard however, is people such as yourself repeating that those people do think that, ad bloody nauseum. Indeed, Keegan himself kept inferring it during the hearings, until that is, Dooley pulled him up on it and said the following:
    Timmy Dooley @ The Oireachtas

    "Mr.McKenna and Mr.Duffy said here, that there was a belief based on that conversation back in Feb, that DCC would support a licence application for all five concerts.

    "Now in fairness Mr.Keegan, you have not denied that you gave that impression to Mr.McKenna.

    "What you have said in a statement that you issued is that you gave no assurance, no certainty, no firm offer.. these are all absolutes.

    "Mr.McKenna has never indicated that there was an absolute..

    "When you had that conversation with Mr.Kenna where you gave the impression that you would be supportive, in a general way, without the issue of assurances, we all accept that.

    "We know how the process works, you couldn't have, you wouldn't have the authority to do that.."


  • #573
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    OK so, if they had no idea that they were failing to meet requirements for licensing why did Aiken reapply with amended applications multiple times?
    And yes, there's been plenty of posts here with people aghast that licensing did not happen after Keegan's "support", as if they thought it was a done deal.


  • #574
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    1) You have posted on this thread more than I have.
    2) You have posted 293 times on the GB thread in AH (which is also, more than I have).

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    My last 10 posts in both threads = 156 words.

    Your last 10 posts in those threads = 1418 words.


    As i said......disturbing.


  • #575
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    OK so, if they had no idea that they were failing to meet requirements for licensing why did Aiken reapply with amended applications multiple times?

    Aiken didn't "reapply" for the licence.

    What they did was update their event management plan after each statutory meeting.

    Par for the course - even after licences are granted.
    And yes, there's been plenty of posts here with people aghast that licensing did not happen after Keegan's "support", as if they thought it was a done deal.
    Eh, are you positive that those users are 'aghast' just because Keegan said he would support an application for five concerts and no other factors? Or were they 'aghast' because of that plus the facts that Croke Park had accepted the 'Long Term Management of Concerts/Special Events in Croke Park' Mulvery report which the majority of the main resident committee had also, and because they attended numerous statutory meetings, were they provided additonality which had been asked of them and that at no time, had the DCC given any indication that they were not going the "full" way as DCC later suggested?

    I would suggest it's a case of the latter and not the former considering you also accused me of having the very same opinion which you now state that others have posted on the thread previously. This despite my never having remotely suggested anything of the sort. Seems I'm in good company though, as you also say Peter Aiken is of this opinion too.. when he has made it quite clear that his bemusement at the decision is based on many factors, not just one. If it was.. they wouldn't bother mentioning the others.


  • #576
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,316 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

    Plus, all the people involved say he gave no indications of his dissatisfaction with the additionality with which they were requited to provide.

    Tbh that's the way I'd prefer applications for planning to go, professionals giving no nod, nod, wink, wink type answers and just looking for additional information that they require.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #577
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,316 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Mod:

    Attack the post, not the poster please. If you haven't got a point to make against a post or to add to the thread, just don't bother posting as things are getting a bit personal. Thank you.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #578
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Aiken didn't "reapply" for the licence.

    What they did was update their event management plan after each statutory meeting.
    So you fully agree then that Aiken was made aware of further requirements to be met as he did alter the management plan. OK then.
    Opposite of what you said earlier.


  • #579
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Great: one user accuses me of obsessively and forensically examining them and another finds it hard to believe I actually watched them. Beautiful.



    Why would he give Aiken / GAA a hard time? They applied for a licence on time and attempted to do all what was asked of them. Keegan got grilled because his ineptitude of refusing licences for concerts, that 160,000 people were due to attend, just three weeks later, caused this country international embarrassment. Plus, all the people involved say he gave no indications of his dissatisfaction with the additionality with which they were requited to provide. It was gross incompetence on not just the part of Keegan, but the DCC as a whole.



    LOL.

    Says the guy who plucked just two words from them and then stated these words meant that Dooley, Duffy, McKenna and Aiken all thought that because Keegan had said he supported the concerts going ahead, that this to them meant that he would "circumvent" the licence application procedure.

    At least I am backing up my opinions with paragraphs of dialogue and video footage from the hearings and not just plucking two words from what was said and filling in the blanks myself with groundless and nonsensical opinions.

    I understand now - I have seen the Garth Video you posted on your youtube page that you linked to alongside the videos of the committee.



    As I stated before - I feel sorry for all fans that lost out . I hope you get to see him in Belfast or London


  • #580
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    raymon wrote: »
    I understand now - I have seen the Garth Video you posted on your youtube page that you linked to alongside the videos of the committee.

    As I stated before - I feel sorry for all fans that lost out . I hope you get to see him in Belfast or London

    Eh, you understand what? You think you uncovered me or something? :p

    I snipped a few clips from Brook's '97 show in Croke Park, which was also on YouTube, specifically to refute the suggestion, which was being made over and over again on a thread in AH, that Brooks was being disingenuous when he said that he had genuine affection for the Irish fans because of how much he enjoyed his time there back in '97. I found the suggestion absurd as most people would be aware that he had always claimed it was the best concert he had ever performed, so much so that it's the only live performance of his that he has ever released on DVD. The man even crowd surfs at one point. However, if you're still not convinced and for some odd reason feel that I am hiding my Garth Brooks fan status for eh, credibility reasons, perhaps, well then take a look at the date and time that I made the clip and you'll see that I actually posted it on the thread almost immediately after making it. So, you didn't uncover my Garth Brooks video stash. Columbo you ain't ;)


  • #581
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Your last 10 posts in those threads = 1418 words.

    As i said......disturbing.

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    Just when you thought it was over: TV in overdrive tonight on the whole debacle as two 'docus' will air.

    Rumours abound that RTE have some new details which they will apparently include in theirs later tonight on RTE1 at 9:35pm.
    Garth Brooks: Tomorrow Never Came

    On again, off again. This week Garth Brooks was meant to be riding into Dublin for a block of hyped concerts generating millions. But the showdown is now over. It's been the High Noon story of the summer involving the GAA, local Dublin residents, international Country music fans, planning laws, Oireachtas enquiries, the Taoiseach, and even US President Obama.

    Garth Brooks: Tomorrow Never Came follows the trail of events from the announcement of Brooks' comeback tour through to the final announcement of ticket refunds - along with the battling saga in between. It's a journey to the heart of Ireland today: from our country's cultural and music hinterland (meeting concert support act, Nathan Carter, and Garth tribute singer, Trevor Smith) to politics done Irish-style.

    TV3's is on at 9:00pm.

    Garth Brooks: What Went Wrong


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  • #582
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
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    Just when you thought it was over: TV in overdrive tonight on the whole debacle as two 'docus' will air.

    Rumours abound that RTE have some new details which they will apparently include in theirs later tonight on RTE1 at 9:35pm.



    TV3's is on at 9:00pm.

    Garth Brooks: What Went Wrong

    Yeah.



    Counted the words


    :rolleyes:


  • #583
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    I snipped a few clips from Brook's '97 show in Croke Park, which was also on YouTube, specifically to refute the suggestion, which was being made over and over again on a thread in AH, that Brooks was being disingenuous when he said that he had genuine affection for the Irish fans
    How do you know it's genuine? Do you think he doesn't spin the same yarn about a special bond and best audience in the world if he was in Latvia or Paraguay?


  • #584
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    How do you know it's genuine? Do you think he doesn't spin the same yarn about a special bond and best audience in the world if he was in Latvia or Paraguay?

    Do you ever read the posts you reply to:
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    I found the suggestion absurd as most people would be aware that he had always claimed it was the best concert he had ever performed, so much so that it's the only live performance of his that he has ever released on DVD.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266572/


  • #585
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Do you ever read the posts you reply to:

    I found the suggestion absurd as most people would be aware that he had always claimed it was the best concert he had ever performed, so much so that it's the only live performance of his that he has ever released on DVD.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266572/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entertainer_(DVD)
    He'd better get on to his lawyers then as there's three other live concerts in that box set.
    Do I get a commission from Amazon for this?


  • #586
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    The man even crowd surfs at one point.

    Yes he does !


  • #587
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entertainer_(DVD)
    He'd better get on to his lawyers then as there's three other live concerts in that box set.
    Do I get a commission from Amazon for this?

    Someone else that thinks they're Colombo but isn't.

    The Entertainer contains 2 Concert DVDs one of which was the free Central park concert which I have also mentioned in AH but is not a concert from one his tours. The free Central Park shows are an honour bestowed by the city of New York and released independently. Like the Prince's Trust gigs are in the UK. He included that in that box-set as it is a collection. He also includes the Croke Park DVD in that boxset, which is the only full live concert tour DVD in that box-set. The rest are video DVDs, TV appearances etc. Yet again, that too I spoke of on the AH thread:
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    He has said the atmosphere he experienced at Croke Park in '97 was the greatest he had ever experienced and indeed, so much so that he dedicated one of the four DVDs in his box-set, The Entertainer, to those concerts which he played at Croke Park and to Ireland, in general, to a large degree in fact.

    But yeah, ' greedy Garth just wants to milk as much money out of us as he could, cause nobody else wants him' is I guess the real truth, silly me for missing it.

    I have no idea why people are so adamant to try and show this guy to be a fake and a washed up fake at that.

    For those who thinks he was only coming here to make money as nowhere else in the world wants to see him. Perhaps a read of this is in order:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jesselawrence/2014/07/16/garth-brooks-tickets-already-skyrocketing-for-first-show-on-secondary-market/


  • #588
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Someone else that thinks they're Colombo but isn't.

    The Entertainer contains 2 Concert DVDs one of which was the free Central park concert which I have also mentioned in AH but is not a concert from one his tours. The free Central Park shows are an honour bestowed by the city of New York and released independently. Like the Prince's Trust gigs are in the UK. He included that in that box-set as it is a collection. He also includes the Croke Park DVD in that boxset, which is the only full live concert tour DVD in that box-set. The rest are video DVDs, TV appearances etc. Yet again, that too I spoke of on the AH thread:
    What you said was, and I quote:
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    I found the suggestion absurd as most people would be aware that he had always claimed it was the best concert he had ever performed, so much so that it's the only live performance of his that he has ever released on DVD.
    Are you contesting that concerts that are not part of a tour do not constitute live performances there Sherlock? Or do you just think you can just change your claim from "live performance" to "full live concert tour DVD" and think nobody will notice?


  • #589
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    What you said was, and I quote:

    Are you contesting that concerts that are not part of a tour do not constitute live performances there Sherlock? Or do you just think you can just change your claim from "live performance" to "full live concert tour DVD" and think nobody will notice?

    A video was posted from my youtube account. It was there as I made it so I could retort a suggestion which was made that Garth Brooks was bullshitting the Irish when he said that the best atmosphere he ever experienced was when her performed in Croke Park in '97 and that overall he he felt an affinity with the place as overall. That clip was taken from 'Ireland and Back' and that is the only tour concert of his that he has ever released on DVD. A free concert in Central Park being included in a box-set doesn't in anyway negate the point which you are attempting to negate. You mentioned "Latvia" and "Paraguay".. well come back to me when you find a box-set called 'Latvia and Back' or 'Paraguay and Back'.. maybe then the following remark won't be just pure blather..
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Do you think he doesn't spin the same yarn about a special bond and best audience in the world if he was in Latvia or Paraguay?
    ...but until such time as you do, then that is precisely what it is.


  • #590
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    A video was posted from my youtube account. It was there as I made it so I could retort a suggestion which was made that Garth Brooks was bullshitting the Irish when he said that the best atmosphere he ever experienced was when her performed in Croke Park in '97 and that overall he he felt an affinity with the place as overall. That clip was taken from 'Ireland and Back' and that is the only tour concert of his that he has ever released on DVD. A free concert in Central Park being included in a box-set doesn't in anyway negate the point which you are attempting to negate. You mentioned "Latvia" and "Paraguay".. well come back to me when you find a box-set called 'Latvia and Back' or 'Paraguay and Back'.. maybe then the following remark won't be just pure blather..

    ...but until such time as you do, then that is precisely what it is.
    You could just admit you were wrong when you said an Irish show was his only live performance out on DVD. Ya know, the thing I've just proven is totally incorrect.


  • #591
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Still no sign of a title change I see.

    Why is what is largely a conversation on Gareth Brukes DVDs still in Politics?


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  • #592
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    I see Arsenal Stadium can only hold 3 concerts a year- Garth should try playing 5 there...


  • #593
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    syklops wrote: »
    Still no sign of a title change I see.

    Why is what is largely a conversation on Gareth Brukes DVDs still in Politics?

    Thank your lucky stars Wishiwasha is neither an expert or a fan of Mr Brooks! :cool:


  • #594
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    You could just admit you were wrong when you said an Irish show was his only live performance out on DVD. Ya know, the thing I've just proven is totally incorrect.

    Oh quit trying to point score.

    You know damn well what my point was: that Brooks is being genuine about what he was saying about Ireland. We are the only country he has ever honoured with a DVD dedicated to not just a country with a great audience, but as a great county in general. To try and nit pick that point with the Central Park performance is just scraping the barrel and makes little or no sense as he is from the states. Had it been another country, as I said, you might of had a point worth nit picking but it wasn't and so you don't.

    I agree with the user that says the thread is reading like it no longer belongs here but when you ask questions of a user based on the topic (why it is precisely that they claimed Timmy Dooley thought that Owen Keegan saying he supported the license application meant that the license application process would be circumvented.. and instead of answering it, they rifled through your YouTube account in some bizarre attempt at trying to prove your really a GB fan.. what can you do exactly. I wouldn't mind if being successful at that endevour would mean anything, but it wouldn't as what difference would it make even if I was a bloody GB fan exactly. Perhaps I should just lie and say I am, just to shut people up and hopefully get them back on topic.

    In an effort to get this things back on track, I will say that in no way did Enda Kenny intervene in this debacle and nor do I think he should. The little he did do, I feel was more than appropriate for him to have done. Hopefully an independent review will take place on this in due course and per-license-application talks will become mandatory, along also perhaps with some form of a two tier event licensing system, with the first stage need to be granted before promoters can sell tickets and the second stage being what the full event license currently is. Legally binding agreements for an official residents group would also be of help, as too would be a more sufficient means of the verifying resident complaints and if that means giving councils more power to make that a reality, so be it.

    Our system buckled, hopefully Alan Kelly will see fit that it doesn't happen again.


  • #595
    BeerSteakBirds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭BeerSteakBirds


    I am glad that the Teashop was busy doing important stuff like opening a Penneys.


  • #596
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,584 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Oh quit trying to point score.

    You know damn well what my point was: that Brooks is being genuine about what he was saying about Ireland. We are the only country he has ever honoured with a DVD dedicated to not just a country with a great audience, but as a great county in general. To try and nit pick that point with the Central Park performance is just scraping the barrel and makes little or no sense as he is from the states. Had it been another country, as I said, you might of had a point worth nit picking but it wasn't and so you don't.

    I agree with the user that says the thread is reading like it no longer belongs here but when you ask questions of a user based on the topic (why it is precisely that they claimed Timmy Dooley thought that Owen Keegan saying he supported the license application meant that the license application process would be circumvented.. and instead of answering it, they rifled through your YouTube account in some bizarre attempt at trying to prove your really a GB fan.. what can you do exactly. I wouldn't mind if being successful at that endevour would mean anything, but it wouldn't as what difference would it make even if I was a bloody GB fan exactly. Perhaps I should just lie and say I am, just to shut people up and hopefully get them back on topic.

    In an effort to get this things back on track, I will say that in no way did Enda Kenny intervene in this debacle and nor do I think he should. The little he did do, I feel was more than appropriate for him to have done. Hopefully an independent review will take place on this in due course and per-license-application talks will become mandatory, along also perhaps with some form of a two tier event licensing system, with the first stage need to be granted before promoters can sell tickets and the second stage being what the full event license currently is. Legally binding agreements for an official residents group would also be of help, as too would be a more sufficient means of the verifying resident complaints and if that means giving councils more power to make that a reality, so be it.

    Our system buckled, hopefully Alan Kelly will see fit that it doesn't happen again.
    I think this has shown that there is room for improvement in "the system". It appears however that the promoters don't want to move to a system of having to have a license before tickets go on sale so that significantly narrows the actual changes that can be made to avert this situation in future. As such at best it appears an "outline" application or pre planning application may be the way forward before the tickets can go on sale but this again may not be acceptable to the promoters.
    The other option is to attach strict guidelines to each of the major venues. The thing is there are already guidelines in place for Croker and a whole heap of precedent however these could be tightened up so at least a promoter knew exactly the status.

    Ultimately a lot of people seem to think that if the planning process were changed overnight, there'd be no issues with having 400K people descend on an area over five consecutive nights and all that goes with that. Unfortunately for those people I cant see that changing at all and rightfully so.
    As such it appears the strengthening up of the guidelines attached to each venue is probable the least fussy option with the finer details being worked out by all parties concerned.

    Politically the most embarrassing part of this debacle has been the amount of time dedicated to what was ultimately a planning decision made within the confines of the law as it currently stands and best practices as they currently stand.


  • #597
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,774 ✭✭✭raymon


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    they rifled through your YouTube account in some bizarre attempt at trying to prove your really a GB fan.

    You provided a link to your youtube page. I didnt rifle through anything.

    Look , if you want to debate whether Garth crowd surfed at a specific perfmance or what DVD box set contains a specific performance or that he danced with more dedicated dance moves or sang his heart out more than usual then I have nothing new to add to this "thread".

    The posts are getting too strange


  • #598
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    syklops wrote: »
    Still no sign of a title change I see.

    Why is what is largely a conversation on Gareth Brukes DVDs still in Politics?

    But I mean, is it "live performance" or "full live concert DVD", this absolutely vitally important point just HAS to clarified. :pac:


  • #599
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    nm wrote: »
    But I mean, is it "live performance" or "full live concert DVD", this absolutely vitally important point just HAS to clarified. :pac:

    Well it was a central point to his theory that Brooks has a special relationship with Ireland and it turned out to be codswallop. Why don't you take it up with Wishiwasa if you are now convinced that it wasn't important at all in the first place?


  • #600
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    Oh quit trying to point score.
    You mean on verifiable facts: Dan 1 Wishiwasa 0.
    That kind of point scoring?
    Turns out I know more about Gareth than you do!
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »
    You know damn well what my point was: that Brooks is being genuine about what he was saying about Ireland.
    Well that is your opinion only, as the evidence you have presented turned out to be false.
    You do know that you can't have evidence proven false and still claim it bolsters your case?


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  • #601
    Wishiwasa Littlebitaller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,337 ✭✭✭Wishiwasa Littlebitaller


    raymon wrote: »
    Look , if you want to debate whether Garth crowd surfed at a specific perfmance or what DVD box set contains a specific performance or that he danced with more dedicated dance moves or sang his heart out more than usual then I have nothing new to add to this thread.

    The posts are getting too strange

    Iif people claim Garth Brooks is being fake when he speaks of Ireland, there really is no other suitable reply than to point out that he made the 'Ireland and Back' to show that his words are far from hollow.. I mean he has never made a video about another country before or since and so that in it's self speaks volumes. Oh and you posted the Garth Brooks clip on this thread, not me.

    When you're ready though, Raymon:

    I would still really like to hear a sufficient explanation as to why it is that you feel it okay to claim that the TD Timmy Dooley felt that Keegan saying he supported the licence application was a nod and a wink that it would be "irrelevant" and "circumvented". That infers that he would be okay with such action, no matter how much you deny it and it''s scurrilous indictment to make. You also claimed that Dooley "accused" Keogan of "bias" which is untrue. He 'asked' him whether or not he felt that the fact he owns property in the Croke Park area influenced his decision or if he felt that it qualified as a conflict of interest. He at no stage accused him of bias. Questions are not accusations and seeing as you have no reasonable grounds for making either of these claims (your audio clip of two idiots laughing on the radio hardly suffices) could you please apologise for making them.


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