Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

Quazzie · 20-07-2014 10:27PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I don't agree at all. Matic and Fabregas is a terrific prospect, the Serbian is right up there among the elite holding midfielders in world football and Fabregas is one of the finest midfielders on the planet, in the prime of his career. Eden Hazard is, arguably, the best player in the league, Oscar is a world class number 10 and Willian is an exciting player who offers pace, directness and workrate. It's a fantastically varied and talented midfield which I would have over Arsenal's any day of the week.

Player for player I'd have Arsenal's midfield over Chelseas if Arsenal get Khedira. I think you are vastly over rating Matic and Cesc has a lot to prove on his return.

Frankie Lee · 20-07-2014 10:28PM

Van Ginkel could well have a real breakthrough season too.

20-07-2014 10:32PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I don't agree at all. Matic and Fabregas is a terrific prospect, the Serbian is right up there among the elite holding midfielders in world football and Fabregas is one of the finest midfielders on the planet, in the prime of his career. Eden Hazard is, arguably, the best player in the league, Oscar is a world class number 10 and Willian is an exciting player who offers pace, directness and workrate. It's a fantastically varied and talented midfield which I would have over Arsenal's any day of the week.

Matic, Fabregas and Hazard most definitely. However Willian flatters to decieve and strikes me as no more talented than James Milner and Oscar is nowhere close to being a world class number 10.

Would probably be a toss up between the 2 midfields, both offering very different styles.

Rayne Wooney · 20-07-2014 10:33PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I don't agree at all. Matic and Fabregas is a terrific prospect, the Serbian is right up there among the elite holding midfielders in world football and Fabregas is one of the finest midfielders on the planet, in the prime of his career. Eden Hazard is, arguably, the best player in the league, Oscar is a world class number 10 and Willian is an exciting player who offers pace, directness and workrate. It's a fantastically varied and talented midfield which I would have over Arsenal's any day of the week.

Throwing Hazard and Willian in there is changing the point

Ozil, Khedira and Ramsey >>> Cesc, Matic and Oscar

Andersonisgod · 20-07-2014 10:33PM

Quazzie wrote: »

Player for player I'd have Arsenal's midfield over Chelseas if Arsenal get Khedira. I think you are vastly over rating Matic and Cesc has a lot to prove on his return.

I think Matic is being vastly underrated, the man is a giant in a literal and figurative sense in the midfield. I haven't a clue what Fabregas has to prove, he's a World Cup winner, a European Championship winner and, during his spell with Arsenal, was arguably the best central midfielder in the league, he's a superb footballer, that's never changed.

Andersonisgod · 20-07-2014 10:34PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Throwing Hazard and Willian in there is changing the point

Ozil, Khedira and Ramsey >>> Cesc, Matic and Oscar

The original poster mentioned Walcott and Sanchez, I responded in kind. As a result it would infact be you who is changing the point.

EuropeanSon · 20-07-2014 10:36PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I don't agree at all. Matic and Fabregas is a terrific prospect, the Serbian is right up there among the elite holding midfielders in world football and Fabregas is one of the finest midfielders on the planet, in the prime of his career. Eden Hazard is, arguably, the best player in the league, Oscar is a world class number 10 and Willian is an exciting player who offers pace, directness and workrate. It's a fantastically varied and talented midfield which I would have over Arsenal's any day of the week.

But you see, I stopped pretending your posts weren't utter nonsense a long time ago, so without responding to any of that in particular, I'm just going to accurately state that it's all overblown nonsense.

Quazzie · 20-07-2014 10:37PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I think Matic is being vastly underrated, the man is a giant in a literal and figurative sense in the midfield. I haven't a clue what Fabregas has to prove, he's a World Cup winner, a European Championship winner and, during his spell with Arsenal, was arguably the best central midfielder in the league, he's a superb footballer, that's never changed.

He hasn't been as good as his Arsenal's spell for quiet some time. Whether that is down to being played out of position or not having the faith of his manager or him dropping a level remains to be seen. He's been off the pace recently and he needs to prove his doubters wrong.

For the record I think he will and I wished Arsenal took the option to have him back, but I'm not arrogant to think that I couldn't be wrong.

20-07-2014 10:41PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Throwing Hazard and Willian in there is changing the point

Ozil, Khedira and Ramsey >>> Cesc, Matic and Oscar

Jeez I don't know. Both are fantastic trios. I think it's closer than you are suggesting.

Chelsea perhaps even more balanced

Rayne Wooney · 20-07-2014 10:43PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

The original poster mentioned Walcott and Sanchez, I responded in kind. As a result it would infact be you who is changing the point.

The second post was the one I quoted and you were quoting someone talking about the midfield.

Also Oscar is by no means a world class number 10, you can spin a tale of how he has vigorously thrilled you with his awesome Brazilian magnificence at some point in a Chelsea shirt but he is still not a world class number 10, especially when compared to the likes of Ozil, and I rate the guy and think at some point he could fulfil his potential.

If you are counting the 5 as a midfield, then it's very close from me, between Chelsea and Arsenal's potential if Khedira is added

Andersonisgod · 20-07-2014 10:44PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

But you see, I stopped pretending your posts weren't utter nonsense a long time ago, so without responding to any of that in particular, I'm just going to accurately state that it's all overblown nonsense.

I would say the same about you but alas I have not got the slightest clue of your post history because I don't care about your previous posts or the opinions expressed in them. However I did take issue with the opinion which you expressed that Arsenal's midfield will be "a good bit better" than Chelsea's, frankly I think it's a bit ridiculous that you are wildly assuming that a midfield of Wilshire (a very strong contender for most overrated player in the Premier League) Ramsey (talented but with only one outstanding season under his belt) Ozil (hugely talented but tailed off dramatically last season), Sanchez (new to the league and inconsistent, to put it one way, at Barcelona) and Walcott (one I would put in the "flatters to deceive" category) will be significantly better than Chelsea's midfield was an opinion which I find to be a bit of "overblown nonsense."

Meglamonia · 20-07-2014 10:47PM

It's very close I couldn't call it really.

Matic and khedira there's not much between them.

Cesc is better than Ramsey.

And ozil better than Oscar.

Rayne Wooney · 20-07-2014 10:48PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Jeez I don't know. Both are fantastic trios. I think it's closer than you are suggesting.

Chelsea perhaps even more balanced

Khedira is far more proven than Matic, Ozil is far more proven than Oscar. Fabregas' career beats Ramsey but over the last year I'd have Ramsey he was the best midfielder in the league until his injury

GLaDOS · 20-07-2014 10:53PM

Oscar's been pants since about the new year. Was shocking at the world cup, needs to get the finger out this season.

glued · 20-07-2014 11:11PM

Oscar and Cesc haven't had the best of seasons. Wouldn't really be dancing around to Chelsea's midfield at the minute.

Cesc in particular isn't someone I'd be banking on to perform coming into a team.

rob316 · 20-07-2014 11:22PM

Liverpool to complete deals for lovren, remy and origi according to the times.

That will be 7 signings for liverpool and they will still have the bulk of the suarez money to spend.

Marty McFly · 20-07-2014 11:23PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I would say the same about you but alas I have not got the slightest clue of your post history because I don't care about your previous posts or the opinions expressed in them. However I did take issue with the opinion which you expressed that Arsenal's midfield will be "a good bit better" than Chelsea's, frankly I think it's a bit ridiculous that you are wildly assuming that a midfield of Wilshire (a very strong contender for most overrated player in the Premier League) Ramsey (talented but with only one outstanding season under his belt) Ozil (hugely talented but tailed off dramatically last season), Sanchez (new to the league and inconsistent, to put it one way, at Barcelona) and Walcott (one I would put in the "flatters to deceive" category) will be significantly better than Chelsea's midfield was an opinion which I find to be a bit of "overblown nonsense."

:pac: you really do talk some amount of shiite.

Andersonisgod · 20-07-2014 11:27PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

:pac: you really do talk some amount of shiite.

I forgot the forum small print that says that disagreeing with the opinion that the midfield of a club that has won 1 trophy (the FA Cup) in 8 years is ""a good bit better" (which sounds like quite a significant amount) than one of England's most successful clubs in the last 10 years and whose midfield is absolutely stacked with talent and winners is now considering to be "talking shiite" then I'd love to know what's considered sense these days.

Marty McFly · 20-07-2014 11:34PM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I forgot the forum small print that says that disagreeing with the opinion that the midfield of a club that has won 1 trophy (the FA Cup) in 8 years is ""a good bit better" (which sounds like quite a significant amount) than one of England's most successful clubs in the last 10 years and whose midfield is absolutely stacked with talent and winners is now considering to be "talking shiite" then I'd love to know what's considered sense these days.

YAWN

Also that one trophy you try to belittle is one more than Chelsea won last season

Andersonisgod · 20-07-2014 11:43PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

YAWN

Also that one trophy you try to belittle is one more than Chelsea won last season

I like that we can disregard a legitimate argument with 4 simple letters written with cap lock on, engaging stuff.

Jolly good, however you are going to have to excuse me if that one FA Cup final triumph over Hull (yes I did have to Google that) isn't enough to convince me that Wilshire and Ramsey are significantly better than Cesc Fabregas and Nemanja Matic.

Marty McFly · 21-07-2014 12:13AM

Okay ill bite

Since you mentioned Chelseas history in the last ten years (by the way I love the way some Chelsea fans do this yea because we can ignore all previous football history just to sit in line with Chelsea becoming a successful club) is Chelseas midfield the same as it was ten years ago? No so how that is relevant to the discussion is beyond me.

Secondly the fact you had to Google the F.A Cup final says a lot about your knowledge of football instead of it working for you to try a belittle Arsenals trophy it just showed you up as having no clue fair play.

And since you seem to be placing so much emphasis on trophies in this debate what exactly did Matic and Cesc win last season?

FYI since you seem to have a hard on for knocking Wilshere and keep mentioning him you do realise he isn't and won't be part of our starting eleven starting this season, people were talking about Ozil Ramsey who bar an injury would have been a major canditate for player of the season and the possible signing of Khedira no Wilshere in there.

tupac_healy · 21-07-2014 12:36AM

As a utd fan....

Even with Khedira, Chelsea's midfield is still far more powerful than Arsenals....

In fact IMO they have the best collection of CM players (yes including City, have a feeling Toure is soon to throw the toys rightly out of the pram) in the league right now, that coupled with (if they can get) Costa firing they will win it next year.

Unless of course Utd go to town big time, as in Vidal & Hummels, that would at least put us in the fight I'm sure

21-07-2014 01:54AM

What has 10 years got to do with anything? None of the players in either midfield were playing there regularly 5 years ago never mind 10.

Calling Oscar world class is quite clearly talking out of your hole, subjective opinion or not.

Quazzie · 21-07-2014 06:11AM

Andersonisgod wrote: »

I forgot the forum small print that says that disagreeing with the opinion that the midfield of a club that has won 1 trophy (the FA Cup) in 8 years is ""a good bit better" (which sounds like quite a significant amount) than one of England's most successful clubs in the last 10 years and whose midfield is absolutely stacked with talent and winners is now considering to be "talking shiite" then I'd love to know what's considered sense these days.

In fairness you say that Sanchez was inconsistent at Barcelona yet Cesc is world class and that didn't change. it does sound like you are talking with some bias there.

Pepe LeFrits · 21-07-2014 08:51AM

A series of managers haven't trusted Fabregas with a CM role, so I'd be rather surprised if Mourinho does as seems to be the expectation here.

Hyzepher · 21-07-2014 08:57AM

Fabregas won't even be a regular starter

GavRedKing · 21-07-2014 08:58AM

I'd be surpried if Cesc is played CM, although I wouldnt be surprised if its in a 3 man combo of Oscar and Matic.

Marty McFly · 21-07-2014 09:02AM

Hyzepher wrote: »

Fabregas won't even be a regular starter

I'd have Fabregas ahead of Oscar every day of the week.

In fairness I do think there wouldn't be much between the two midfields personally I'd have Arsenals just edging it if we sign Khedira.

But there is debate then there is posting utter nonsense.

slingerz · 21-07-2014 09:08AM

Marty McFly wrote: »

I'd have Fabregas ahead of Oscar every day of the week.

In fairness I do think there wouldn't be much between the two midfields personally I'd have Arsenals just edging it if we sign Khedira.

But there is debate then there is posting utter nonsense.

Chelsea's midfield of Matic, Cesc, Oscar, Hazard and Schurrle against Khedira (might not even sign), Ramsey, Ozil, Carzola and Walcott??

I'd be choosing Chelsea's every time

Lucas Hood · 21-07-2014 09:17AM

slingerz wrote: »

Chelsea's midfield of Matic, Cesc, Oscar, Hazard and Schurrle against Khedira (might not even sign), Ramsey, Ozil, Carzola and Walcott??

I'd be choosing Chelsea's every time

You've left out Sanchez who will play on Rw till Walcott is back at least

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