Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

20-07-2014 07:14PM

WakeUp wrote: »

Those soldiers that lost their lives today and were injured were from the Golani brigade those guys are elite troops some of the units are spec ops. Seven of them rolled into an ambush their apc was taken out and then they were machine gunned. nightmare. and soon after that happened the Israelis shelled the neighbourhood of Shejaiya in response. I watched Bibis speech a little while ago totally directed toward an Israeli audience what I took it from was that he is preparing them for a lengthy operation and to expect more casualties . I'm not sure when this is going to end but before it does more people on both sides are going to lose their lives a lot more.

Indeed the Israeli's have to reject any ceasefires to push on now and achieve something significant to claim their own propaganda victory,it wont be easy for them now though particularly with Kerry coming to the region soon. It's slightly ironic and unfortunate for everyone since the analysis of their original targets of destroying the tunnels was that it was probably an attempt to set a limited and easily achievable objective before a ceasefire.

tayto lover · 20-07-2014 07:14PM

Everyone knows that after all the killing is done the talking will begin.
It's a pity they couldn't just talk this thing out without the deaths.

Why are the UN and the US not demanding an end to the bloodshed by both sides?

wes · 20-07-2014 07:16PM

Ella Henderson wrote: »

ISRAEL ARE THE SCUM OF THE ****ING EARTH, THE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED AND THE WHOLE TERRITORY SHOULD BECOME A COUNTRY OF PALESTINE

2 wrongs do not make a right. I am no fan of Zionism, and the actions of the state of Israel, but collective punishment is wrong regardless.

What needs to happen is either 2 states (becoming more and more unlikely each passing day, and may already be impossible), or a single state that respects the rights of both Palestinians and Israeli's.

wes · 20-07-2014 07:23PM

wendell borton wrote: »

Well the soviets then went on to occupy eastern Europe, any attempts at reform such as Prague spring were crushed with force.

Whats that have to do with the fact of 20 Million soviet dead? Why should those people be ignored? They are not to blame for the later actions of a maniac like Stalin. Sorry, but ignore them to try and score a cheap political point is nasty, and a simple example of someone ignoring facts, when it doesn't suit them.

Your point is wholly irrelevant to the point I was making, and I assume you know what I was talking about.

Karl Stein · 20-07-2014 07:39PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Why are the UN and the US not demanding an end to the bloodshed by both sides?

The US vetoes every single UN resolution that's critical of the Israelis West Bank colonisation project.
The US vetoes every single UN resolution supportive of Palestinian human rights or statehood.
The US vetoes every single UN resolution calling for a restraint of Israel's brutality.

A solution will not come from the US or UN. That's why civil society is engaging in boycotting, divestment and sanctioning of Israeli goods and institutions that profit from the occupation.

WakeUp · 20-07-2014 07:42PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Indeed the Israeli's have to reject any ceasefires to push on now and achieve something significant to claim their own propaganda victory,it wont be easy for them now though particularly with Kerry coming to the region soon. It's slightly ironic and unfortunate for everyone since the analysis of their original targets of destroying the tunnels was that it was probably an attempt to set a limited and easily achievable objective before a ceasefire.

I think the Israeli plan may well be to try and reoccupy Gaza or parts of it. not indefinitely but for a number of months I'm not sure either side is genuinely interested in a ceasefire at the moment. Hamas and the Palestinians are really being smashed hard this seems different this time around. The Israelis are usually ruthless but If they try reoccupy Gaza that's bad news really bad news . for everyone . reckon Kerry can achieve anything?..do you think it's just about the tunnels..

c_man · 20-07-2014 07:46PM

A V A wrote: »

Palestine flags on Hill 16 today as Dublin played Meath

http://t.co/ChoSH3mSgp

thought this was a good touch

There was some flying in the Ulster final today also.

hatrickpatrick · 20-07-2014 07:55PM

...__... wrote: »

True I just hoped both sides would have used the oppertunity to stop this round of violence.

When you're dealing with ideologically driven evil (speaking about both Hamas and the IDF here) that doesn't come easily.

end of the road · 20-07-2014 07:59PM

WakeUp wrote: »

Gaza and the Palestinians are really being pounded. Hamas missiles still going into Israel who have warned journalists they aren't safe and their safety can not be guaranteed. apparently the Israeli intelligence minister gave an interview to a tv channel saying the plan maybe to occupy Gaza for seven months so that they can dismantle Hamas. If that's the plan it's about to get a whole lot worse for all concerned.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-20/over-50-killed-gaza-israel-shelling-fiercest-1967-war

they will never dismantle hamas, tried and failed, slaughter left right and centre and make out to their home grown delusianel extremists that they have is probably what will happen.

20-07-2014 08:10PM

they have captured an Israeli soldier in Gaza.

BREAKING: IZZEDIN QASSAM SPOKESMAN: WE HAVE CAPTURED AN ISRAELI SOLDIER, AND READ OUT HIS NAME AND IDF NUMBER

@Nour_Samaha: Qassam Brigades say they've captured Israeli soldier Shaul Aron, military number 6092065 #Gaza #Israel

lot of cheering on the feeds. I wonder is this why?

Meglamonia · 20-07-2014 08:13PM

Jake1 wrote: »

they have captured an Israeli soldier in Gaza.

BREAKING: IZZEDIN QASSAM SPOKESMAN: WE HAVE CAPTURED AN ISRAELI SOLDIER, AND READ OUT HIS NAME AND IDF NUMBER

lot of cheering on the feeds. I wonder is this why?

What feeds?

20-07-2014 08:16PM

Meglamonia wrote: »

What feeds?

Live feeds from Gaza.

Cheering seems to have stopped now.

Karl Stein · 20-07-2014 08:17PM

Jake1 wrote: »

Live feeds from Gaza.

Any links?

Edit: Al Jazeera reporting on it now.

WakeUp · 20-07-2014 08:20PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Any links?

Edit: Al Jazeera reporting on it now.

Reuters have it too though it's vague. Hate to be that dude right now wonder what's going through his head.
http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptNews/idAFL6N0PV1C820140720

20-07-2014 08:24PM

Links here. Please remember, they go up and down.

Sabbah Report (Collection of streams)

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Jehad Saftawi

[link to www.ustream.tv]

#GazaUnderAttack USTREAM

[link to www.ustream.tv]

Occupied Air USTREAM

[link to www.ustream.tv]

Some Guy Named Denny Giving Live Reports From Gaza

[link to www.ustream.tv]

Tel Aviv Rooftop Looking Up (Click the LIVE video on Channel Front Page)

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Reuters Live Feed

[link to www.livestation.com]

Cyber Tribe Network Live Coverage w/ Streams, News, Chat
[link to www.livestream.com]

20-07-2014 08:26PM

some more...Ive found all of these links useful over the last week or so.

Anadolu Ajansi Gaza

[link to www.aa.com.tr]

Anadolu Ajansi Sifa Hospital

[link to www.aa.com.tr]

PALMEDIA Youtube Live

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Russia Today Live Gaza (When they're live in Gaza it will be listed above the video box)

[link to rt.com]

Gaza "Twin Cams"

[link to www.ustream.tv]

Palestinian News Stream

[link to 5.9.151.112]

Al Jazeera (restream of Occupied Air)

[link to blogs.aljazeera.com]

Al Jazeera Arabic (News and sometimes streaming Gaza)

[link to mubasher.aljazeera.net]

ive a ton more if anyone wants them, wont post them up as they will clog up the page

Karl Stein · 20-07-2014 08:26PM

Israeli soldier held captive by captive population.

Stranger than fiction.

wp_rathead · 20-07-2014 08:32PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Israeli soldier held captive by captive population.

Stranger than fiction.

Hopefully they release him unharmed.. to much blood been split already

Meglamonia · 20-07-2014 08:34PM

He's in for a rough time anyway.

speedboatchase · 20-07-2014 08:35PM

Karl Stein · 20-07-2014 08:41PM

wprathead wrote: »

Hopefully they release him unharmed.. to much blood been split already

He's worth much more to them alive and well than harmed or dead.

The last time they released an Israeli soldier they got 1000 of their own released in return.

A Greedy Algorithm · 20-07-2014 08:44PM

Gaza is a pretty small place, i always wonder where they keep these captured soldiers. Maybe in some kind of Fritzel dungeon.

speedboatchase · 20-07-2014 08:45PM

Watching Al Jazeera. Gazans celebrating like they just won the World Cup.

WakeUp · 20-07-2014 08:45PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

He's worth much more to them alive and well than harmed or dead.

The last time they released an Israeli soldier they got 1000 of their own released in return.

he can take solace in that as he takes his beating that he is probably getting now. after they get a few pics of him down a hole he goes for a while. if the Israelis are willing to trade for him then I think he will be ok might take a while but he will make it out. bad buzz for him though.

20-07-2014 08:48PM

Looking like a bluff from Hamas, maybe?

Israel News Feed ‏@IsraelHatzolah 47s

Israeli defence reporters saying IDF denies Hamas claim that a soldier was captured. Name used belongs to 1 of soldiers killed. CBC

refering, I think to one of the 13 killed earlier

IDF categorically denying Hamas claims that a soldier was kidnapped in Gaza. via @NadavEyalDesk

WakeUp · 20-07-2014 08:54PM

Jake1 wrote: »

Looking like a bluff from Hamas, maybe?

Israel News Feed ‏@IsraelHatzolah 47s

Israeli defence reporters saying IDF denies Hamas claim that a soldier was captured. Name used belongs to 1 of soldiers killed. CBC

refering, I think to one of the 13 killed earlier

IDF categorically denying Hamas claims that a soldier was kidnapped in Gaza. via @NadavEyalDesk

If they have him they need to prove they have him pretty soon I would think or it's bullsh1t.

20-07-2014 08:54PM

WakeUp wrote: »

I think the Israeli plan may well be to try and reoccupy Gaza or parts of it. not indefinitely but for a number of months I'm not sure either side is genuinely interested in a ceasefire at the moment. Hamas and the Palestinians are really being smashed hard this seems different this time around. The Israelis are usually ruthless but If they try reoccupy Gaza that's bad news really bad news . for everyone . reckon Kerry can achieve anything?..do you think it's just about the tunnels..

I think originally the tunnels were chosen as the objective because they should have been easy to secure and neutralise, not because they were necessarily important but in these conflicts it can be hard to have firm objectives to claim victory with and the tunnels were a good opportunity to take and then accept a ceasefire. All speculation of course.

Nodin · 20-07-2014 08:58PM

Jake1 wrote: »

Looking like a bluff from Hamas, maybe?

Israel News Feed ‏@IsraelHatzolah 47s

Israeli defence reporters saying IDF denies Hamas claim that a soldier was captured. Name used belongs to 1 of soldiers killed. CBC

refering, I think to one of the 13 killed earlier

IDF categorically denying Hamas claims that a soldier was kidnapped in Gaza. via @NadavEyalDesk

Instant news now means you can be as confused as to whats happening as the people that are there, simultaneously.

20-07-2014 09:05PM

Nodin wrote: »

Instant news now means you can be as confused as to whats happening as the people that are there, simultaneously.

hard to know what is what, all right.

Hamas have shown doucments which they alledge are the soldiers,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtA7hHQCYAAbqwo.jpg,

but why would they not take a pic of him. Unless moving him, and they just took his docs and will parade him at later stage

RoryMac · 20-07-2014 09:11PM

Jake1 wrote: »

hard to know what is what, all right.

Hamas have shown doucments which they alledge are the soldiers,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtA7hHQCYAAbqwo.jpg,

but why would they not take a pic of him. Unless moving him, and they just took his docs and will parade him at later stage

They might not want to show him if he was beaten during the capture, the situation could quickly backfire on them

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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