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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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  • #1202
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 96,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    An amazing paradox is taking place right now on Boards.ie. We have a thread about a plane that was shot down. With some naive, deluded souls calling for a NATO confrontation/intervention with Russia. Yet last night, 40 more Palestinians civilians were murdered last night as the 'brave' IDF ramped up their operation turkey shoot. And the silence is deafening.
    From twitter

    https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/490119028615430144
    David CameronVerified account ‏@David_Cameron

    I've just called UN Secretary General underlining the need for a strong commitment to an international investigation into #MH17 disaster.
    6:00 AM - 18 Jul 2014

    https://twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/490123355073572864
    Frankie BoyleVerified account ‏@frankieboyle

    @David_Cameron Pity whoever fired that missile didn't aim it at a beach in Palestine, then you could all have knocked off for an early lunch
    6:18 AM - 18 Jul 2014


  • #1203
    oak5548
    Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭oak5548


    As somebody said elsewhere on the internet: It's a shame we dont protest for our own rights as much as we do about fúckin palestine.

    Out of all the conflicts to obsess about in the world, why do so many people get so worked up over israel and palestine?

    Also: http://i.imgur.com/jDkDH7u.png


  • #1204
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    The fighting on the ground must be quite fierce in Gaza the Israelis have lost 13 soldiers today.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/13-israeli-soldiers-dead-gaza


  • #1205
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    oak5548 wrote: »
    Out of all the conflicts to obsess about in the world, why do so many people get so worked up over israel and palestine?

    Who is obsessing? The conflict draws our attention for a number of reasons.

    Western governments refuse to condemn Israeli brutality and we live in the west - that implicates us in a way. Thankfully Ireland is comparatively critical of the Israelis.

    Irish people were once subject to colonial occupation followed by independence so we're largely sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians now just as we were with the Israelis when they were being bullied.

    Unlike in other conflicts there are people who'll vehemently defend Israel regardless of its brutality and dis-proportionality - they need to be challenged. With other conflicts you simply don't have people defending brutality in anywhere near as many numbers.

    The Israelis sell themselves as a western style democracy so it behoves us as western democracies to call it out when it acts like a murderous regime.

    We're watching the dispossession and strangulation of a people in slow motion - it's impossible to ignore and there is no other conflict like it that I'm aware of.

    Israel is the US's attack dog in the Middle East so anyone with a passing interest in world affairs will have an interest in this conflict.

    According to analysts we're facing a future where there'll be a widening gap between the 'have mores' and the 'have nots'. When the 'have mores' seek to ensure their privileges and ever increasing slice of the pie they'll look to Israel's 'security' industry and see a working example of how it's done. Israel/Palestine - coming to a theatre near you (if we're not careful).


  • #1206
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,328 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    oak5548 wrote: »
    As somebody said elsewhere on the internet: It's a shame we dont protest for our own rights as much as we do about fúckin palestine.

    Out of all the conflicts to obsess about in the world, why do so many people get so worked up over israel and palestine?

    Also: http://i.imgur.com/jDkDH7u.png

    Lets look at the numbers over the past few days shall wee?

    Over 200 Palestinians dead , the vast majority were civilians.
    Less than 5 Israelis dead most of whom were military.

    75% of the rockets fired by Hamas don't make it past Israels iron dome defense system.
    100% of missiles fired by Israel hit their targets.


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  • #1207
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nail on the head.

    https://twitter.com/rickygervais/status/490610589140791296


  • #1208
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    oak5548 wrote: »
    As somebody said elsewhere on the internet: It's a shame we dont protest for our own rights as much as we do about fúckin palestine.

    Out of all the conflicts to obsess about in the world, why do so many people get so worked up over israel and palestine?

    Also: http://i.imgur.com/jDkDH7u.png


    Spot on


  • #1209
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    cisk wrote: »
    Nail on the head.

    https://twitter.com/rickygervais/status/490610589140791296

    Ricky Gervais should stick to the comedy.

    'Getting involved' does not mean 'military action'.


  • #1210
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Levelling a neighbour hood killing 60 people that's a massacre and a warcrime another one for Israel to add to the list.
    http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/07/20/harrowing-images-of-gaza-neighborhood-hit-hardest-by-israel/?tid=hpModule_04941f10-8a79-11e2-98d9-3012c1cd8d1e


  • #1211
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Ricky Gervais should stick to the comedy.

    'Getting involved' does not mean 'military action'.


    Never does with cowards like you


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  • #1212
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    An amazing paradox is taking place right now on Boards.ie. We have a thread about a plane that was shot down. With some naive, deluded souls calling for a NATO confrontation/intervention with Russia. Yet last night, 40 more Palestinians civilians were murdered last night as the 'brave' IDF ramped up their operation turkey shoot. And the silence is deafening.

    You could turn that around and ask where were the anti-Russian protests from the usual suspects after that shooting ( which killed as many people as the Israeli invasion) or where were the anti-imperialist protests when Russia invaded Ukraine to protect its settlers. Or indeed where are the protests when an actual cultural genocide took place this weekend - the destruction of Christian sites and the expulsion of Christians, who have been there longer than Muslims, from Mosul.

    I have no horse in the race between Israel and Gaza. Two state solution. FTW.

    In general though I hate the pro-Palestinians in the West; a mostly crue of self righteous hypocrites, sectarians, pseud moralists, anti-Semites and shinners.

    A pox on ye all.


  • #1213
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    You could turn that around and ask where were the anti-Russian protests from the usual suspects after that shooting ( which killed as many people as the Israeli invasion) or where were the anti-imperialist protests when Russia invaded Ukraine to protect its settlers. Or indeed where are the protests when an actual cultural genocide took place this weekend - the destruction of Christian sites and the expulsion of Christians, who have been there longer than Muslims, from Mosul.

    I have no horse in the race between Israel and Gaza. Two state solution. FTW.

    In general though I hate the pro-Palestinians in the West; a mostly crue of self righteous hypocrites, sectarians, pseud moralists, anti-Semites and shinners.

    A pox on ye all.

    And most of the above tripe and name calling excuses Israeli behaviour how .or are you just having a rant for the sake of it.. How is it pro Palestinian to highlight what the Israelis are doing. no one probably gives a phuck what you hate that's up to you. just sayin.


  • #1214
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Never does with cowards like you

    Says the brave warrior from the comfort of his Mother's basement.

    Fail.


  • #1215
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    He says from the comfort of his Mother's basement.

    Fail.


    Don't you have a tumblr blog to upload or something


  • #1216
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    You could turn that around and ask where were the anti-Russian protests from the usual suspects after that shooting ( which killed as many people as the Israeli invasion) or where were the anti-imperialist protests when Russia invaded Ukraine to protect its settlers. Or indeed where are the protests when an actual cultural genocide took place this weekend - the destruction of Christian sites and the expulsion of Christians, who have been there longer than Muslims, from Mosul.

    As I've said above unlike for Israel's brutality you don't have people defending the actions taken above. Indeed it was chicken hawks and wartards who supported intervention in Iraq in the first place who need to take responsibility for the resulting mess.
    Two state solution. FTW.

    The two state solution is history. Forget it. It's not going to happen.
    In general though I hate the pro-Palestinians in the West; a mostly crue of self righteous hypocrites, sectarians, pseud moralists, anti-Semites and shinners.

    I'm pretty sure most people are pro-peaceful solution rather than pro Palestinian. Weren't you calling for military intervention in Ukraine by the west not so long ago? Calling people 'cowards' from the comfort of your keyboard like your friend above?

    That's the problem with people like you and your friend above: you're brave boys when it's other people doing the fighting.


  • #1217
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    That's not how the term 'aggressor' works. Both sentences have nothing to do with each other.


    By the way, everyone talking about 'proportion of deaths', is that how wars work now? Should Israel let a few rockets in to keep some of you happy? Either way, the killings will stop once Hamas feel like agreeing a ceasefire and honouring it.
    I would be interested to hear your views on The Troubles.


  • #1218
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    An amazing paradox is taking place right now on Boards.ie. We have a thread about a plane that was shot down. With some naive, deluded souls calling for a NATO confrontation/intervention with Russia. Yet last night, 40 more Palestinians civilians were murdered last night as the 'brave' IDF ramped up their operation turkey shoot. And the silence is deafening.

    Are yout trying to say that no one on boards is calling for international assistance to Gaza?


  • #1219
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    As I've said above unlike for Israel's brutality you don't have people defending the actions taken above. Indeed it was chicken hawks and wartards who supported intervention in Iraq in the first place who need to take responsibility for the resulting

    Chicken hawks and wartards are particularly pathetic . They are the first to cry war let's go blow sh1t up spread freedumb but it wouldn't be them going to the front line to fight. Or sending a member of their family off to die somewhere. NATO should confront Russia military anyone who thinks that's a good idea needs their head examined I mean really they do.


  • #1220
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,328 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Chicken hawks and wartards are particularly pathetic . They are the first to cry war let's go blow sh1t up spread freedumb but it wouldn't be them going to the front line to fight. Or sending a member of their family off to die somewhere. NATO should confront Russia military anyone who thinks that's a good idea needs their head examined I mean really they do.

    So we should just hope for "Peace in our time" eh?


  • #1221
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    WakeUp wrote: »
    They are the first to cry war let's go blow sh1t up spread freedumb but it wouldn't be them going to the front line to fight. Or sending a member of their family off to die somewhere.

    Indeed. Immensely brave from the comfort of their armchairs.
    Wartard:

    Someone who supports wars only because they are excited by big explosions and dead foreigners.

    urbandictionary.com


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  • #1222
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    VinLieger wrote: »
    So we should just hope for "Peace in our time" eh?

    What exactly are you trying to say here would you not just say it ...


  • #1223
    A V A
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭A V A


    Palestine flags on Hill 16 today as Dublin played Meath

    http://t.co/ChoSH3mSgp

    thought this was a good touch


  • #1224
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    WakeUp wrote: »
    The fighting on the ground must be quite fierce in Gaza the Israelis have lost 13 soldiers today.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/13-israeli-soldiers-dead-gaza
    Heavy casualties by Israeli standards, 18 dead in total so far. Coupled with the heavy civilian casualties in Shejaiya it's going to make it easier for Hamas to declare a propaganda victory once this ends.


  • #1225
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 96,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    The two state solution is history. Forget it. It's not going to happen.
    This raises a problem

    If the two states were to merge then Israel's per capita GDP would halve and the Jewish nation would be a minority unless there was some Derry style Gerrymandering.

    The Morgenthau Plan isn't working either.

    Unless there is a way to convince the millions of non-Jewish residents of Israeli controlled territories that the future will be better things aren't going to change.


  • #1226
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    The reason so many people are interested in this conflict while being indifferent to others is because this one, unlike others, directly exposes Western hypocrisy. People aren't as incensed by atrocities in other places because you don't find the US government defending them or bullying others into staying quiet about them.

    Many of those who are vehemently pro Palestinian are partially so because they don't like it when the powerful abuse their power. It pisses people off when the US uses its influence to prop up an evil regime just because it suits their political agenda to do so, while using that same influence to destroy other regimes when it suits them to do so.

    The moral conflict between Israel and Palestine is part of a larger moral conflict about Western hegemony being used for good vs being used for corrupt goals.


  • #1227
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    You could turn that around and ask where were the anti-Russian protests from the usual suspects after that shooting ( which killed as many people as the Israeli invasion) or where were the anti-imperialist protests when Russia invaded Ukraine to protect its settlers. .


    What would they protest for Frank? Sanctions against Russia? Bit fucking late as they were banged on within weeks.
    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Or indeed where are the protests when an actual cultural genocide took place this weekend - the destruction of Christian sites and the expulsion of Christians, who have been there longer than Muslims, from Mosul. .

    Yes, they could protest outside the ISIS embassy to have an internationally outlawed organisation outlawed.


  • #1228
    ...__...
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭...__...


    Why has Hamas broken every ceasefire so far? I though the idea of them was to help people get supplies etc not use it as a way to fire rockets.


  • #1229
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    ...__... wrote: »
    Why has Hamas broken every ceasefire so far? I though the idea of them was to help people get supplies etc not use it as a way to fire rockets.

    Firstly because Hamas are evil scumbags, and secondly because a lot of these rockets are being fired by random lone wolves.
    We're a little "spoiled" in Ireland (for lack of a better term) by how organised and disciplined the Provos were largely - most terrorist organisations are utterly chaotic and lawless in what their members do.


  • #1230
    ...__...
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭...__...


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Firstly because Hamas are evil scumbags, and secondly because a lot of these rockets are being fired by random lone wolves.
    We're a little "spoiled" in Ireland (for lack of a better term) by how organised and disciplined the Provos were largely - most terrorist organisations are utterly chaotic and lawless in what their members do.

    True I just hoped both sides would have used the oppertunity to stop this round of violence.


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  • #1231
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Heavy casualties by Israeli standards, 18 dead in total so far. Coupled with the heavy civilian casualties in Shejaiya it's going to make it easier for Hamas to declare a propaganda victory once this ends.

    Those soldiers that lost their lives today and were injured were from the Golani brigade those guys are elite troops some of the units are spec ops. Seven of them rolled into an ambush their apc was taken out and then they were machine gunned. nightmare. and soon after that happened the Israelis shelled the neighbourhood of Shejaiya in response. I watched Bibis speech a little while ago totally directed toward an Israeli audience what I took it from was that he is preparing them for a lengthy operation and to expect more casualties . I'm not sure when this is going to end but before it does more people on both sides are going to lose their lives a lot more.


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