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Those damn cyclists again!

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  • #902
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    It is never illegal to ride two abreast in this country. You don't know what you're talking about.

    I never said it was illegal, just that it is annoying, disrupts traffic and is a pita for people stuck behind. Before the "but they're commuting in an environmentally friendly manner" crowd kick in, that's always on the weekend, by Lance Armstrong wannabes in enough luminous lycra to cover the runway at dublin airport and save a fortune on the leccy bill.


  • #903
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    ardmacha wrote: »
    Fair point. Let me rephrase,
    Cyclists are a profoundly delinquent class of road user, who are subject to no effective law enforcement whatsoever. The loutish behaviour is bad enough, but this is an accompanied by a sickening sanctimonious sense of entitlement that would put the 1950s Catholic church in the ha'penny place. Some even use the lack of enforcement and consequent lack of applied penalties as a justification, thereby exalting in the present chaos.

    No...it still sounds bloody stupid.


  • #904
    TonyStark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭TonyStark


    dubscottie wrote: »
    Thats the UK though.. Again.. 1.5 meters is a recommendation! Not a legal requirement!

    What would your recommended distance be? I think we would all like to hear a compelling argument of why 1.5 meters is such a bad idea. Please do elaborate on what your recommendation would be.

    *munches popcorn*


  • #905
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Not if I am driving it, no.

    Aggressively is one thing
    Recklessly is another
    Defensively is yet another.

    I've already asked if I'm addressing fellow licensed and trained motor vehicle drivers.

    I don't think I am addressing trained personnel.

    Lol. Trained personnel.

    Mate I've got the highest grading on the advanced driver test.

    I'd say you did a test before there were even roundabouts in this country.

    Driver training in this country is still a joke.


  • #906
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    dubscottie wrote: »
    Thats the UK though.. Again.. 1.5 meters is a recommendation! Not a legal requirement!

    Its when you come across two abreast as they are climbing a hill and there is a Q of 15 other vehicles behind them, unable to overtake due to the twisting nature of the road. That is what pisses people off. (and it is illegal in that situation to ride two abreast.. Read the RTA)

    Actually. You did say it is illegal.


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  • #907
    looking_around
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭looking_around


    dubscottie wrote: »
    Thats the UK though..

    Its when you come across two abreast as they are climbing a hill and there is a Q of 15 other vehicles behind them, unable to overtake due to the twisting nature of the road. That is what pisses people off. (and it is illegal in that situation to ride two abreast.. Read the RTA)

    Again most cyclists will move out of the way. It's not all that common to see what you're describing.

    I've seen people get p!ssed off at 2 cyclists beside eachother on a straight road.
    They get pissed off, because they want to overtake recklessly, and this prevents them doing so.

    I also knew someone would go "but but but that's UK."

    http://www.rsa.ie/Utility/News/2011/RSA-LAUNCHES-CAMPAIGN-TO-PROMOTE-CYCLE-SAFETY/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phNMzsRrbNU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swnGEbKp7QY
    http://www.dublincycling.ie/cycling/dangerous-overtaking-cyclists-drivers


    If you can't overtake a cyclist correctly (due to blind spots) then tough it and wait. Most cyclists will move out of the way, and they won't be holding you up for very long.

    I mean really, do you want to be the cause of someones death, because you weren't patient enough to overtake safely?

    Edit: check link 3, youtube vid of how to correctly overtake cyclists, watch, learn, repeat. Don't be an idiot. Don't endanger someones life because you feel you are more entitle to road space than they are and your journey is some how more important than their lives!


  • #908
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    I never said it was illegal, just that it is annoying, disrupts traffic and is a pita for people stuck behind. Before the "but they're commuting in an environmentally friendly manner" crowd kick in, that's always on the weekend, by Lance Armstrong wannabes in enough luminous lycra to cover the runway at dublin airport and save a fortune on the leccy bill.

    Actually you did.


  • #909
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    I'm sorry mate but if you plough into a cyclist because you presume he's just going to get out of your way then you're a reckless driver.

    End of.

    Circumstances. Circumstances, Circumstances. What are they?

    YOU sir are implicitly implying that I deliberately am driving my jeep, deliberately and with intent to cause maximum damage to innocent cyclists on the road.

    You are too caught up in emotion and that too is a killer on the road, so you observe a car doing a hundred miles an hour ~ before we go on, apart for the track, have you seen a car doing one hundred miles an hour on the public road?


  • #910
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    I never said it was illegal, just that it is annoying, disrupts traffic and is a pita for people stuck behind. Before the "but they're commuting in an environmentally friendly manner" crowd kick in, that's always on the weekend, by Lance Armstrong wannabes in enough luminous lycra to cover the runway at dublin airport and save a fortune on the leccy bill.


    No they're actually just riding defensively. There are morons or there in red Nissan Jeeps who think they know how to drive.


  • #911
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Circumstances. Circumstances, Circumstances. What are they?

    YOU sir are implicitly implying that I deliberately am driving my jeep, deliberately and with intent to cause maximum damage to innocent cyclists on the road.

    You are too caught up in emotion and that too is a killer on the road, so you observe a car doing a hundred miles an hour ~ before we go on, apart for the track, have you seen a car doing one hundred miles an hour on the public road?

    I'm sorry mate. That doesn't make any sense.


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  • #912
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Circumstances. Circumstances, Circumstances. What are they?

    YOU sir are implicitly implying that I deliberately am driving my jeep, deliberately and with intent to cause maximum damage to innocent cyclists on the road.

    You are too caught up in emotion and that too is a killer on the road, so you observe a car doing a hundred miles an hour ~ before we go on, apart for the track, have you seen a car doing one hundred miles an hour on the public road?

    I never said deliberately. I said recklessly.


  • #913
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Driver training in this country is still a joke.

    Actually I agree, but, you are not convincing me. Can you drive a fork lift for instance?


  • #914
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Actually I agree, but, you are not convincing me. Can you drive a fork lift for instance?

    No.


  • #915
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    I'm sorry mate. That doesn't make any sense.

    One question at a time then.

    Have you seen a car on an Irish Road doing one hundred miles an hour or whatever it is in kms? And not a closed road, an open to traffic road.


  • #916
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    One question at a time then.

    Have you seen a car on an Irish Road doing one hundred miles an hour or whatever it is in kms? And not a closed road, an open to traffic road.

    Yes


  • #917
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Please stop... You're walking yourself into...


  • #918
    dubscottie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 854 ✭✭✭dubscottie


    TonyStark wrote: »
    What would your recommended distance be? I think we would all like to hear a compelling argument of why 1.5 meters is such a bad idea. Please do elaborate on what your recommendation would be.

    *munches popcorn*

    A safe one. One that does not put anyone at risk. As I have posted on the commuting forum, I had an interesting (and very dangerous) encounter with cyclists "enforcing" the so called 1.5m law..

    Long story short, it could have been fatal for 2 of us had something been coming the other way at speed.. Boards cycling jerseys also.. So you understand why I have no time for the cyclists here.


  • #919
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    No.

    I can drive a fork lift. :pac:


  • #920
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    ... Seriously just stop


  • #921
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    I can drive a fork lift. :pac:

    Well done. That doesn't mean you can drive a big boy car.


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  • #922
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Actually you did.

    I doubt it. Quote me wrong please. In fact, I didn't. You're confused.


  • #923
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Yes

    Describe it.

    And if you are a police officer or a go safe van you are disqualified.


  • #924
    Red Nissan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Well done. That doesn't mean you can drive a big boy car.

    See, just checking qualifications.


  • #925
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    Describe it.

    And if you are a police officer or a go safe van you are disqualified.

    Sorry I don't get you.


  • #926
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    See, just checking qualifications.

    He has a bike. Bikes are good. Cars are bad. End of argument. I glued a bike to the front of my car, confuses the feck out of them.


  • #927
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    I doubt it. Quote me wrong please. In fact, I didn't. You're confused.

    OK another guy did. And then you took up his argument. So... By proxy.


  • #928
    looking_around
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭looking_around


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Well done. That doesn't mean you can drive a big boy car.

    Don't feed it.


  • #929
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    OK so I've seen a car going at least 100mph . so what?


  • #930
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    looking_around wrote: »
    Please PLEASE read http://ukcyclelaws.blogspot.ie/p/overtaking-cyclists.html

    And see why two abreast makes 0 difference to overtaking and why it should not p!ss you off.

    Yeah, but sadly, I much prefer 0 abreast. There you go.


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  • #931
    furiousox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,196 ✭✭✭furiousox


    http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/39744/882285-thread_crap_die.jpg

    CPL 593H



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