Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

redbaron_99 · 18-07-2014 10:21AM

beno619 wrote: »

Sure it could happen to anyone.

Players get old but doesn't mean they can't contribute.

We can readdress Ferdinand at the end the of the season.

Old players can also become the safe choice for a manager, and stall the progression of the next generation. This has been happening at United.

But yeah, we can continue this in May 2015.

glued · 18-07-2014 10:22AM

I don't really want Ryan Giggs as part of the clubs future. Morally bankrupt individual who by all accounts made a lot of stupid decisions in the last number of months at United and leaked a lot of information about the club and Moyes to the press.

Not sure how you can fit Paul Scholes in now either. There's a guy who forever was the local media-shy hero. Now he's making up for all those lost years of being mute and is grinding his axe on his former teammates and anyone worth a pop.

I'd keep Phil Neville and Nicky Butt but the likes of Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville have no real future as coaches. It's one thing I admired greatly about Roy Keane; He said what he thought directly to your face. He's a straight talker. A lot of former players seem to have this sly, back stabbing mentality. I'm not glorifying what Roy Keane has done either, I just prefer the way he delivers his message rather than the way Scholes or Gary Neville do.

Backstreet Moyes · 18-07-2014 10:22AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Watch him next season, see how many injuries he picks up, and see any player with pace skin him alive.

Players get old. Accept it.

I argued Rafael wasn't that injury prone i was proved wrong. The reality is we have 6 senior defenders and Evra looks like he is off. Rafael, Smalling and Jones are very injury prone. We need a rb,lb and cb with Keane promoted.

ericzeking · 18-07-2014 10:22AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Ryan Giggs would have been a terrible manager, biased towards his friends, he has a lot of learning to do if he wants to be United manager in the future.

You know it's only a small thing but it was good to see him back in a tracksuit at the unveiling of LVG, when he had that stint in charge he was all business with the suit and the lot, full on auditioning for the job (most of the time caretakers stick with the tracksuit)....there was something about it that didn't sit well since it is apparent he was instrumental in the revolt against Moyes.

I think LVG will keep him in his place, it's not good to have a 'manager in waiting' in the background with the knife ready. The fact that a lot of his pals from the old days are gone can only be a good thing for the new regime and Giggs own transition to coaching too.

redbaron_99 · 18-07-2014 10:23AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Would people be happy with De Vrij, De Jong and Depay or Shaqiri. I just think you need Champions League to attract the likes of Vidal and Hummels.

De Vrij definitely.
De Jong as a back up option.
Shaqiri is a bit of a headless chicken IMO. No thanks.
Depay is very overrated. No thanks.

Spazdarn · 18-07-2014 10:25AM

glued wrote: »

I don't really want Ryan Giggs as part of the clubs future. Morally bankrupt individual who by all accounts made a lot of stupid decisions in the last number of months at United and leaked a lot of information about the club and Moyes to the press.

Not sure how you can fit Paul Scholes in now either. There's a guy who forever was the local media-shy hero. Now he's making up for all those lost years of being mute and is grinding his axe on his former teammates and anyone worth a pop.

I'd keep Phil Neville and Nicky Butt but the likes of Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville have no real future as coaches. It's one thing I admired greatly about Roy Keane; He said what he thought directly to your face. He's a straight talker. A lot of former players seem to have this sly, back stabbing mentality. I'm not glorifying what Roy Keane has done either, I just prefer the way he delivers his message rather than the way Scholes or Gary Neville do.

Keane's is hardly a good example of how to deliver a message to players, he had multiples arguments with players, chastising some in the media. A lot of what happens in the dressing room should stay there imo

redbaron_99 · 18-07-2014 10:25AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

I argued Rafael wasn't that injury prone i was proved wrong. The reality is we have 6 senior defenders and Evra looks like he is off. Rafael, Smalling and Jones are very injury prone. We need a rb,lb and cb with Keane promoted.

Keane will be a part of the senior set up. I think Varela will be promoted as back up for Rafeal.
Certainly need a CB and somone to cover for Shaw.

Backstreet Moyes · 18-07-2014 10:26AM

Scholes publicly wrote off Rooney before the World Cup. For me that should have ended any discussion of him staying on as a coach at united. Totally unprofessional to say what he did about somebody you work with.

beno619 · 18-07-2014 10:26AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Old players can also become the safe choice for a manager, and stall the progression of the next generation. This has been happening at United.

But yeah, we can continue this in May 2015.

That's a fair point, I'd prefer we put Jones and Smalling in the firing line this season and if their not up to it then bring in a big money defender.

Backstreet Moyes · 18-07-2014 10:28AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

De Vrij definitely.
De Jong as a back up option.
Shaqiri is a bit of a headless chicken IMO. No thanks.
Depay is very overrated. No thanks.

Shaqiri was a world class talent but has stalled from not playing at Bayern. He showed at the World Cup he is still class and will only improve. He is already better than any winger we got and would be cheap.

Depay i have not seen much off.

Adamocovic · 18-07-2014 10:28AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

De Vrij definitely.
De Jong as a back up option.
Shaqiri is a bit of a headless chicken IMO. No thanks.
Depay is very overrated. No thanks.

For a while I have been saying I'd like De Vrij to join.
Not pushed on De Jong personally.
Can't imagine Bayern selling Shaqiri after the world cup he had coupled with the fact that Bayern lost Kroos and might lose a few more.
Depay is a great prospect but Id imagine he will wait a year or two before moving from PSV.

Backstreet Moyes · 18-07-2014 10:29AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Keane will be a part of the senior set up. I think Varela will be promoted as back up for Rafeal.
Certainly need a CB and somone to cover for Shaw.

Varela could be promoted but i suspect Valencia will be backup rb which is a disaster. Can't believe we weren't in for Jembaat who went for 5 million would have been a very good squad signing.

What do people think of Santon can play rb and lb and wouldn't cost a fortune.

Backstreet Moyes · 18-07-2014 10:30AM

beno619 wrote: »

That's a fair point, I'd prefer we put Jones and Smalling in the firing line this season and if their not up to it then bring in a big money defender.

I would be shocked if Evans is not first choice cb next season with one of Jones or Smalling battling to partner him.

Adamocovic · 18-07-2014 10:31AM

Were still yet to see Marnick Vermijl play at right back for United. From what I hear he has been doing ok in his loan spells. Would be nice to see him given the cup to show what he's got.

Pro. F · 18-07-2014 10:32AM

ericzeking wrote: »

You know it's only a small thing but it was good to see him back in a tracksuit at the unveiling of LVG, when he had that stint in charge he was all business with the suit and the lot, full on auditioning for the job (most of the time caretakers stick with the tracksuit)....there was something about it that didn't sit well since it is apparent he was instrumental in the revolt against Moyes.

I think LVG will keep him in his place, it's not good to have a 'manager in waiting' in the background with the knife ready. The fact that a lot of his pals from the old days are gone can only be a good thing for the new regime and Giggs own transition to coaching too.

Getting rid of that disaster is something Giggs should be getting praise for, not opprobrium.

beno619 · 18-07-2014 10:32AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Scholes publicly wrote off Rooney before the World Cup. For me that should have ended any discussion of him staying on as a coach at united. Totally unprofessional to say what he did about somebody you work with.

Just reread his piece on PaddyPower and would suggest you do as well, I don't see how anything he says about wazza could be classed as unprofessional unless you were talking about another article.

beno619 · 18-07-2014 10:34AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

I would be shocked if Evans is not first choice cb next season with one of Jones or Smalling battling to partner him.

Yep sorry that's what I meant.

beno619 · 18-07-2014 10:34AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

I would be shocked if Evans is not first choice cb next season with one of Jones or Smalling battling to partner him.

Yep sorry that's what I meant.

glued · 18-07-2014 10:34AM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Keane's is hardly a good example of how to deliver a message to players, he had multiples arguments with players, chastising some in the media. A lot of what happens in the dressing room should stay there imo

Straw Man^

bmcc10 · 18-07-2014 10:38AM

glued wrote: »

I don't really want Ryan Giggs as part of the clubs future. Morally bankrupt individual who by all accounts made a lot of stupid decisions in the last number of months at United and leaked a lot of information about the club and Moyes to the press.

Not sure how you can fit Paul Scholes in now either. There's a guy who forever was the local media-shy hero. Now he's making up for all those lost years of being mute and is grinding his axe on his former teammates and anyone worth a pop.

I'd keep Phil Neville and Nicky Butt but the likes of Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville have no real future as coaches. It's one thing I admired greatly about Roy Keane; He said what he thought directly to your face. He's a straight talker. A lot of former players seem to have this sly, back stabbing mentality. I'm not glorifying what Roy Keane has done either, I just prefer the way he delivers his message rather than the way Scholes or Gary Neville do.

Tbf Scholes has been spot on with most things he's said and Neville is trying to hard not to be United biased, If it came down to it i would rather see Giggs, Scholes and Gary as coaches rather than Phil and Butt, This is exactly the point i made earlier though, Where far to loyal trying to find roles and accommodate former players.

Zico · 18-07-2014 10:39AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Can't believe we weren't in for Jembaat who went for 5 million would have been a very good squad signing.

What do people think of Santon can play rb and lb and wouldn't cost a fortune.

Wrong thread.

This is the Manchester United thread.

You must be looking for one of those mid table teams who deliberately buy average players in line with their resources and appeal. LFC thread is that way ==>

Backstreet Moyes · 18-07-2014 10:39AM

beno619 wrote: »

Just reread his piece on PaddyPower and would suggest you do as well, I don't see how anything he says about wazza could be classed as unprofessional unless you were talking about another article.

I am only going from memory. Which Scholes talked about Rooney wearing himself out and may have peaked two seasons ago when he scored 26 goals and saying he may have passed his peak. FFS put him up front on his own and he will score 20+ goals. He has been scoring goals for fun while having to spend half the game in his own half due to incompetent midfielders.

Rooney reacted angrily and who can blame him. Fair enough if it was a pundit who done it but a colleague. Totally unprofessional behavior from a colleague imo.

Adamocovic · 18-07-2014 10:39AM

beno619 wrote: »

Just reread his piece on PaddyPower and would suggest you do as well, I don't see how anything he says about wazza could be classed as unprofessional unless you were talking about another article.

I also would have to reread it but didnt he say that maybe Rooney's peak was when he was 25-26 and that he could see Rooney being a player who reties around the age of 31 or that?

A first team coach shouldn't being insinuating that a current player is past it, or speculating on their retirement age.

I think thats what Nuts102 meant as unprofessionally and reason for not having him as a first team coach and if so I do agree with him.

adox · 18-07-2014 10:42AM

As far as I remember Scholes didnt write Rooney off. He said he may have peaked already because of the type of game he plays.

homerjay2005 · 18-07-2014 10:42AM

if Thomas Vermaelen is our only other defensive signing, will people be happy with that, going into the new season?

Rafael
Jones
Smalling
Vermaelen
Keane
Evans
Shaw

realistically, if Evra is sold, we are signing perhaps 2 more defenders. it would be madness to leave 5 defenders go in the space of 7 months.

Backstreet Moyes · 18-07-2014 10:42AM

Zico wrote: »

Wrong thread.

This is the Manchester United thread.

You must be looking for one of those mid table teams who deliberately buy average players in line with their resources and appeal. LFC thread is that way ==>

You really have a strange outlook on football looking at your posts the last few days.

You named about 50 players better than Suarez to play in the league.
You think playing first team football won't improve young players.
You think Mata is not world class.

ericzeking · 18-07-2014 10:44AM

Pro. F wrote: »

Getting rid of that disaster is something Giggs should be getting praise for, not opprobrium.

But was it right then for him to immediately try to audition for the job? The classier thing would have been to keep his council and do what was asked in a low key manner and see what happens, instead it was suits and I'm the United manager now (no you're not, you're the caretaker)...and a couple of sly remarks about the good times being back, 'I've slain that evil David Moyes'...... having been part of the back room staff all season....

What's he going to do if LVG doesn't listen to him and we have a few bad results? Dagger at the ready, all set to appeal to the nostalgic fans?

Anyway, my main point was I think his role with LVG will be very low key. You could even see that in that clip of the training session, LVG and his entourage and then Giggs was a bit detached.

Cookiemunster · 18-07-2014 10:44AM

Adamocovic wrote: »

I also would have to reread it but didnt he say that maybe Rooney's peak was when he was 25-26 and that he could see Rooney being a player who reties around the age of 31 or that?

A first team coach shouldn't being insinuating that a current player is past it, or speculating on their retirement age.

I think thats what Nuts102 meant as unprofessionally and reason for not having him as a first team coach and if so I do agree with him.

Who says he'll be a first team coach? Last season he was assisting the U19s in Europe. Nicky Butt for example had nothing to do with the first team until Moyes was sacked.

Backstreet Moyes · 18-07-2014 10:44AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

if Thomas Vermaelen is our only other defensive signing, will people be happy with that, going into the new season?

Rafael
Jones
Smalling
Vermaelen
Keane
Evans
Shaw

realistically, if Evra is sold, we are signing perhaps 2 more defenders. it would be madness to leave 5 defenders go in the space of 7 months.

If you told me two years ago about Vermalen then i would have been delighted. Last year he has been riddled with injuries and lost his first team place. For similar money you could get De Vrij who looks classy and still has improvement in him.

bmcc10 · 18-07-2014 10:45AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

You really have a strange outlook on football looking at your posts the last few days.

You named about 50 players better than Suarez to play in the league.
You think playing first team football won't improve young players.
You think Mata is not world class.

That must be one hell of a player list

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