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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

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  • #8882
    redbaron_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭redbaron_99


    We can laugh at eachother, but the sad fact is both clubs are way down the list for players like Reus and Hummels.
    I think one of the main factors for these guys is where their WAGs want to live. Madrid, Barelona, Paris, London, Monaco, Munich appeal to these ladies much more than rainy Manchester and Liverpool.


  • #8883
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Giggsy11 wrote: »
    James Ducker tweeted that Anderson was not tour's list, maybe the time is finally up.

    Anderson was finished with utd last year, they sent him on loan to fiorentina giving them the option to sign for 7m this summer but they didn't take up the offer, so he is just back at utd now keeping fit until they can sell him to another club. they even gave his number to mata in Jan


  • #8884
    2moreMinutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭2moreMinutes


    redbaron_99 wrote: »
    @SkyFootball

    Harry Redknapp: Ryan Giggs told me if he'd been manager this year Rio would have been his No 1 centre-half.


    Jesus wept. So happy that Giggs wasn't given that job. And I would hope he never gets it.
    Giggs told me that if he was manager this season, he was gonna mix things up a bit and have Anderson as his no 2 centre half.

    This being full of it and making stuff up comes easy to 'Arry and me.


  • #8885
    beno619
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭beno619


    redbaron_99 wrote: »
    @SkyFootball

    Harry Redknapp: Ryan Giggs told me if he'd been manager this year Rio would have been his No 1 centre-half.


    Jesus wept. So happy that Giggs wasn't given that job. And I would hope he never gets it.

    Rio and Vida will shut a lot of people up this season.

    If Rio is a managed like he was pre Moyes there's no reason he can't produce.


  • #8886
    beno619
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭beno619


    redbaron_99 wrote: »
    @SkyFootball

    Harry Redknapp: Ryan Giggs told me if he'd been manager this year Rio would have been his No 1 centre-half.


    Jesus wept. So happy that Giggs wasn't given that job. And I would hope he never gets it.

    Rio and Vida will shut a lot of people up this season.

    If Rio is a managed like he was pre Moyes there's no reason he can't produce.


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  • #8887
    beakerjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,043 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    beno619 wrote: »

    If Rio is a managed like he was pre Moyes there's no reason he can't produce.


    I read this post like the Italian chef from the Simpsons :)


  • #8888
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    beno619 wrote: »
    Rio and Vida will shut a lot of people up this season.

    If Rio is a managed like he was pre Moyes there's no reason he can't produce.

    He'll probably need to retrieve his pre-Moyes legs as well


  • #8889
    0028673
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭0028673


    Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »
    I think he is trying to say that while we laugh at the fact Liverpool think they can land vidal, pogba, reus, Hummels that we talk about them more.

    He thinks that we think Liverpool are obsessed with these lads, but it looks like they believe they will be able to get these targets and we have no chance and are deluded into thinking we have a chance?


    The thing is we have a very good chance, but since we had a bad season last year and they had a good season we are a mid table club completely ommiting that Liverpool are just that in the last 15 years so I have no idea why any top player would move there, now since Saurez is gone.

    Absolutely ridiculous.


    Don't agree at all. Look you'll always have fans who are completely deluded in terms of what targets their team can attract. In fairness it's been a p**s take that Liverpool can attract these players. I think most of the Reus stuff has been to get a rise out of a well known Dortmund fan in the thread.

    Most Liverpool fans realise where we are in the pecking order and that one year in the champions league is not gonna make a huge difference in attracting players especially given that we can't offer the same wages as other top clubs. We have to get in that top 4 on a consistent basis to be competing.

    Regarding the 4 players you mentioned we have zero chance of signing any of them. I believe United have a chance of signing Vidal given the latest reports and he would be a beast for United. I don't think the Hummels or Reus are going anywhere and I think ye blew it with Pogba.


  • #8890
    redbaron_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭redbaron_99


    beno619 wrote: »
    Rio and Vida will shut a lot of people up this season.

    If Rio is a managed like he was pre Moyes there's no reason he can't produce.

    Rio is basically finished at this stage. And how exactly do you "manage" your first choice centre half?? Rest him for half the season? I would have thought a first choice player would play the vast majority of games.


  • #8891
    redbaron_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭redbaron_99


    beno619 wrote: »
    Rio and Vida will shut a lot of people up this season.

    If Rio is a managed like he was pre Moyes there's no reason he can't produce.

    Actually this seems to be a recurring type of post on here. Posters believe we should be competing at the very top level, but at the same time they believe that Carrick, Rio, Nani, Cleverley, Evra, Vidic are good enough to be still in the first team. And that somehow Moyes ruined them, and they are now ready to bounce back to 2008 levels.
    Would these players get in the Bayern, Chelsea, City, Barca, Arsenal, PSG, Madrid teams? Not a f*cking chance! And we won't be competing with those teams until we install the quality of player that they have.


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  • #8892
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,274 ✭✭✭duffman13


    ToiletFusion wrote: »
    Not wanting to stick the boot into Carrick multiple posts in a row, but he can play CB, but he's not all that good at it. I wouldn't be relying on him as anything more than a desperate back up for the position.

    Not saying playing as a CB but similar to what Strootman did for LVG playing as a midfielder dropping in as an additional CB when we don't have the ball


  • #8893
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    redbaron_99 wrote: »
    We can laugh at eachother, but the sad fact is both clubs are way down the list for players like Reus and Hummels.
    I think one of the main factors for these guys is where their WAGs want to live. Madrid, Barelona, Paris, London, Monaco, Munich appeal to these ladies much more than rainy Manchester and Liverpool.

    I dont think they would be. Ok they get bad weather for 7/12 months of the year but I think that is a far too simplistic way of looking at it.

    OK, it would of course be nicer to live in the other cites, but its not like they will be stuck for a few euro so can afford anything they want and could pop on a plane in half an hour to anywhere they wanted.

    PLaying for Man utd, one of the most succesful clubs in the last 20 years would be able to balance out a bit of rain.


    I dont think their wifes would have much of say in their career. Could you imagine your wife saying to you, no hunny I dont want to move to Limerick, to one of the biggest companies in your field and the pinnacle of your career, I want to move to somewhere sunny and you can work for a 2nd or 3rd rate company.

    They only have 5/10 years at the top and I dont see why they would not pick us aside from personal reasons. Its not like we are cheap on the wages.


    I have been working nearly 7 years now. If I was a pro footballer, my career is nearly half over, I would be looking to move to a big team.


    I dont believe the oh I want CL football, especially in the case of us.


  • #8894
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Ryan Giggs would have been a terrible manager, biased towards his friends, he has a lot of learning to do if he wants to be United manager in the future.


  • #8895
    paulbok
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,269 ✭✭✭paulbok


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    I read this post like the Italian chef from the Simpsons :)

    When's a your Dolmio day?


  • #8896
    beno619
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭beno619


    greendom wrote: »
    He'll probably need to retrieve his pre-Moyes legs as well

    He finished last season quite strong after being dropped by Moyes.


  • #8897
    Spazdarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    beno619 wrote: »
    He finished last season quite strong after being dropped by Moyes.

    He was on ridiculous wages, wasn't financially visible to keep him on another year for the input he'd have.


  • #8898
    beno619
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭beno619


    redbaron_99 wrote: »
    Rio is basically finished at this stage. And how exactly do you "manage" your first choice centre half?? Rest him for half the season? I would have thought a first choice player would play the vast majority of games.

    Who said he has to be first choice ?
    You manage him exactly how Fergie did. You don't play him twice in a week.

    Everyone wrote off Terry as well till Mourinho came back and managed him.


  • #8899
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    0028673 wrote: »
    Don't agree at all. Look you'll always have fans who are completely deluded in terms of what targets their team can attract. In fairness it's been a p**s take that Liverpool can attract these players. I think most of the Reus stuff has been to get a rise out of a well known Dortmund fan in the thread.

    Most Liverpool fans realise where we are in the pecking order and that one year in the champions league is not gonna make a huge difference in attracting players especially given that we can't offer the same wages as other top clubs. We have to get in that top 4 on a consistent basis to be competing.

    Regarding the 4 players you mentioned we have zero chance of signing any of them. I believe United have a chance of signing Vidal given the latest reports and he would be a beast for United. I don't think the Hummels or Reus are going anywhere and I think ye blew it with Pogba.

    I dont really creep on the Liverpool thread, only read a page or 2 yesterday/day before but I heard a bit of talk in RL from liverpool supporters thinking this is the case and how man utd are finished.

    But then maybe I shouldnt be listening to their opinions when one thinks david silva is as good as Messi or talk about paper rumours as fact.


  • #8900
    Zico
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Zico


    0028673 wrote: »
    Don't agree at all. Look you'll always have fans who are completely deluded in terms of what targets their team can attract. In fairness it's been a p**s take that Liverpool can attract these players. I think most of the Reus stuff has been to get a rise out of a well known Dortmund fan in the thread.

    Most Liverpool fans realise where we are in the pecking order and that one year in the champions league is not gonna make a huge difference in attracting players especially given that we can't offer the same wages as other top clubs. We have to get in that top 4 on a consistent basis to be competing.

    Regarding the 4 players you mentioned we have zero chance of signing any of them. I believe United have a chance of signing Vidal given the latest reports and he would be a beast for United. I don't think the Hummels or Reus are going anywhere and I think ye blew it with Pogba.


    All true. :)


  • #8901
    Spazdarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    beno619 wrote: »
    Who said he has to be first choice ?
    You manage him exactly how Fergie did. You don't play him twice in a week.

    Everyone wrote off Terry as well till Mourinho came back and managed him.

    Yeah Terry wasn't broken though and could play multiple games in a row.

    The young defenders beside him will gain nothing from having a new partner every other week.


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  • #8902
    bmcc10
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    Ryan Giggs would have been a terrible manager, biased towards his friends, he has a lot of learning to do if he wants to be United manager in the future.

    Was just thinking that, It's amazing that this was even being considered by some, I think United are far too loyal to players past and present in some regards.


  • #8903
    beno619
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭beno619


    ToiletFusion wrote: »
    He was on ridiculous wages, wasn't financially visible to keep him on another year for the input he'd have.

    If he signed a new deal it would be on reduced terms, he might have a been a good option along with Jones, Evans and Smalling , this all depends on your faith in the ability of the players already at the club though.


  • #8904
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,575 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Did Ferdinand even play a game under Giggs i could be wrong but i don't think so. I would be very surprised if he set he would have been his first choice cb.


  • #8905
    Adamocovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭Adamocovic


    Tom Lawrence signed a long term deal, don't know how many years but one for the future no doubt.


  • #8906
    redbaron_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭redbaron_99


    beno619 wrote: »
    If he signed a new deal it would be on reduced terms, he might have a been a good option along with Jones, Evans and Smalling , this all depends on your faith in the ability of the players already at the club though.

    Watch him next season, see how many injuries he picks up, and see any player with pace skin him alive.

    Players get old. Accept it.


  • #8907
    0028673
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭0028673


    Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »
    I dont really creep on the Liverpool thread, only read a page or 2 yesterday/day before but I heard a bit of talk in RL from liverpool supporters thinking this is the case and how man utd are finished.

    But then maybe I shouldnt be listening to their opinions when one thinks david silva is as good as Messi or talk about paper rumours as fact.

    I don't think I would pay too much attention to anyone who says United are finished ;)

    It is a huge Transfer window for both clubs and in spite of not having champions league football ye have more pulling power than us.


  • #8908
    Adamocovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭Adamocovic


    Bebe looks set to be gone. Apparently out of the pre season squad and flying to Benfica to do a medical.


  • #8909
    duffman13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,274 ✭✭✭duffman13


    beno619 wrote: »
    If he signed a new deal it would be on reduced terms, he might have a been a good option along with Jones, Evans and Smalling , this all depends on your faith in the ability of the players already at the club though.

    Tbf he would have been a decent backup but better of letting him go, Vidic however IMO had another two or so seasons that he would have had a massive impact on our team.


  • #8910
    beno619
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭beno619


    redbaron_99 wrote: »
    Watch him next season, see how many injuries he picks up, and see any player with pace skin him alive.

    Players get old. Accept it.

    Sure it could happen to anyone.

    Players get old but doesn't mean they can't contribute.

    We can readdress Ferdinand at the end the of the season.


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  • #8911
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,575 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Would people be happy with De Vrij, De Jong and Depay or Shaqiri. I just think you need Champions League to attract the likes of Vidal and Hummels.

    I would gladly except 4th if the following happened.

    We were playing good positive football.
    The deadwood was slowly moved out of the club.
    Younger players were given a chance.
    LVG plus Champions League would be a huge draw for players.

    People can go on about how United should be aiming to win the league it's fair enough. But i would accept 4th once there are signs of positive changes that will get the club back on track.


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