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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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  • #992
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    You make Hamas sound so innocent. You make it sound like Hamas are not in power. Who elected Hamas?

    The tunnels did :)


  • #993
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,721 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Ir domain - that's Iran, right? Let's take that as Gospel, up there with The Daily Star and The Sun. No reason an Iranian website would not be impartial.

    and the israelies would be impartial of course, they would never lie to us would they?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #994
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    End someone asked him this before and he said spot on. I.E someone asked him "what" and he replied "spot on". That's the pro Israeli argument on this thread and it's fair to say we've won :)

    Yes, you and the Palestinians have 'won'. Well done. Keep up the good work.


  • #995
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    See above. Tunnels, man.


    What did you mean by the "world view" you mentioned earlier?


  • #996
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    end of the road wrote: »
    and the israelies would be impartial of course, they would never lie to us would they?

    Well I doubt you'd ever give them the benefit of the doubt. The same way I wouldn't give Hamas the benefit of the doubt. Touché.


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  • #997
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,653 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Ir domain - that's Iran, right? Let's take that as Gospel, up there with The Daily Star and The Sun. No reason an Iranian website would not be impartial.

    What about this for justice then and it's not Iranian --

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2


  • #998
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    To everyone else who wants a reasoned argument (except the person who couldn't be bothered) HAMAS were elected because Israel's treatment of Palestinians. The IRA membership rose after bloody Sunday for the same reason. People will want to fight back if you treat them like crap.


  • #999
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,721 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Indeed, could have been avoided by Hamas behaving themselves.
    or even better, it could have been avoided by israel not stealing these peoples land and homes, and treating them like human beings from the start, which may not have seen the rise of extremism in the first place

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1000
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    tayto lover wrote: »
    What about this for justice then and it's not Iranian --

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

    And people wonder why HAMAS was elected.


  • #1001
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    end of the road wrote: »
    and the israelies would be impartial of course, they would never lie to us would they?

    lies arise..


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  • #1002
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,721 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    obplayer wrote: »
    The illegal settlements are not in Gaza, all the other things you mention are a direct result of Hamas's actions.
    The West Bank is seen by Israel as necessary to it's security because so many Arab states want to destroy Israel.

    yes, they love to trot out that excuse, of course the amount of weaponry and size of military, and enough people to take up the fight isn't enough, but a bit of land belonging to another country is going to stop the destruction of israel, i don't know whether thats laughable, ridiculous, or just pathetic, i pick laughable

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1003
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Nodin wrote: »
    What did you mean by the "world view" you mentioned earlier?

    Certain people on here for unknown reasons seem to side against Israel where ever possible. It is a phenomenon that disturbs me. I doubt you would fall into that group thought, would you? You are above that. You are anti-racist in all it's guises, including being anti anti-Semitic. It is one of your more admirable qualities. Fair play for that anyway.


  • #1004
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,721 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    You make Hamas sound so innocent. You make it sound like Hamas are not in power. Who elected Hamas?
    so because people elected them they deserve to be blown to bits even if they do nothing? children included?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1005
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,653 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Certain people on here for unknown reasons seem to side against Israel where ever possible. It is a phenomenon that disturbs me. I doubt you would fall into that group thought, would you? You are above that. You are anti-racist in all it's guises, including being anti anti-Semitic. It is one of your more admirable qualities. Fair play for that anyway.

    The vast majority of posters are anti- murder and that's why they're posting.
    Why do you defend the indefensible?


  • #1006
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Tail Docker wrote: »
    lies arise..

    Ironic given that they arise from Hamas.


  • #1007
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Certain people on here for unknown reasons seem to side against Israel where ever possible. It is a phenomenon that disturbs me. I doubt you would fall into that group thought, would you? You are above that. You are anti-racist in all it's guises, including being anti anti-Semitic. It is one of your more admirable qualities. Fair play for that anyway.


    If there were any here spouting anti-semtism, I'd be the first to call them out on it. Implying that people have that agenda when theres no evidence of it its a bit much, tbh.


  • #1008
    A V A
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,755 ✭✭✭A V A


    Gaza does not have an airforce , military or navy. Israel has the forth largest presence/power in the world, along with having nuclear weapons. This is out right murder and proving to be a massacre.There are talks of obama brokering a ceasefire between them, well the problem wouldn't be there if the US didn't help fund Israel with their arms etc. People have been forced from their homeland and have been given no choice but to leave through force, intimidation amongst other methods. Most of their land has been taken illigeally and the basic human rights of the Palestinian people have been/are continuing to be violated. In 2014 , this kind of crap should not be tolerated and it angers my blood.


  • #1009
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The vast majority of posters are anti- murder and that's why they're posting.
    Why do you defend the indefensible?

    Well at least one recent contributor is advocating Hamas attacking, so not sure how you reached this conclusion.


  • #1010
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    To everyone else who wants a reasoned argument (except the person who couldn't be bothered) HAMAS were elected because Israel's treatment of Palestinians. The IRA membership rose after bloody Sunday for the same reason. People will want to fight back if you treat them like crap.

    You have an exceptionally vague understanding of Hamas and its rise to power.


  • #1011
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 96,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    As I said, unfortunate collateral damage, couldn't be avoided.
    since the majority of casualties are civilian it's kinda hard to justify.

    also given the success of the missile defence it's also hard to justify that the Gaza civilian deaths are necessary to protect Israeli lives. ( the Israeli who died was taking food to soldiers at the Gaza border - I don't know the circumstances but there's a possibility it could even be a Darwin Award )

    Anyway Proportionality is the key.


    Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, 17 July 1998
    http://www.icrc.org/ihl/WebART/585-08?OpenDocument
    2. For the purpose of this Statute, "war crimes" means:
    ...
    (b) Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in international armed conflict, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:
    ...
    (iv) Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;

    (v) Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives;
    ...
    (viii) The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;
    ...
    (xiii) Destroying or seizing the enemy's property unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war;


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  • #1012
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Nodin wrote: »
    If there were any here spouting anti-semtism, I'd be the first to call them out on it. Implying that people have that agenda when theres no evidence of it its a bit much, tbh.

    And I commend you for that, even if I don't agree that there is no evidence.

    At least one poster speculated that the Israel was specifically targeting civilians and were forcing them out of their homes so they could kill more civilians.


  • #1013
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Guillermo Faithful Tractor wrote: »
    You have an exceptionally vague understanding of Hamas and its rise to power.

    I assume you can enlighten us?


  • #1014
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    since the majority of casualties are civilian it's kinda hard to justify.

    also given the success of the missile defence it's also hard to justify that the Gaza civilian deaths are necessary to protect Israeli lives. ( the Israeli who died was taking food to soldiers at the Gaza border - I don't know the circumstances but there's a possibility it could even be a Darwin Award )

    Anyway Proportionality is the key.


    Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, 17 July 1998
    http://www.icrc.org/ihl/WebART/585-08?OpenDocument

    What a disgusting comment about Darwin Award. Sickening.


  • #1015
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,721 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Certain people on here for unknown reasons seem to side against Israel where ever possible.

    no, only when they commit acts of terrorism and murder, but you finally answered the question after being asked it a load of times, surprised at that
    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    It is a phenomenon that disturbs me.

    does it now
    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    You are anti-racist in all it's guises, including being anti-Semitic.

    yes i am, thankfully criticising israels actions doesn't make one anti-Semitic.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1016
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    end of the road wrote: »
    so because people elected them they deserve to be blown to bits even if they do nothing? children included?

    Had Hamas not constantly needled and provoked Israel with their rocket attacks, this would not started.

    The blood is squarely on the hands of Hamas and those that elect and support Hamas.


  • #1017
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,721 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Ironic given that they arise from Hamas.
    only hamas? israel always tell the truth?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1018
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    And I commend you for that, even if I don't agree that there is no evidence.

    At least one poster speculated that the Israel was specifically targeting civilians and were forcing them out of their homes so they could kill more civilians.

    Nothing anti-semetic about that. Saying they were doing it because they were Jews would be.


  • #1019
    Arthur Beesley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    end of the road wrote: »
    no, only when they commit acts of terrorism and murder, but you finally answered the question after being asked it a load of times, surprised at that



    does it now



    yes i am, thankfully criticising israels actions doesn't make one anti-Semitic.

    Do you consider the death of the innocent Israeli civilian to have been murder?


  • #1020
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,653 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    Had Hamas not constantly needled and provoked Israel with their rocket attacks, this would not started.

    The blood is squarely on the hands of Hamas and those that elect and support Hamas.

    That's a very sick view to hold. "He made me do it". " If she didn't dress like that she wouldn't have been raped".


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  • #1021
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Arthur Beesley wrote: »
    What a disgusting comment about Darwin Award. Sickening.

    Yeah, awful. Shelling a beach with military ordnance is much better than making a comment on a discussion forum. You appear to be vehemently pro-Israel, regardless of what is occurring. Why is that?


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