Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

smurgen · 17-07-2014 07:29AM

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

Just seen footage of the four little kids running along the beach trying to get away from the rockets and then another one hits them, First time footage like that brought me to tears, Murdering pricks on both sides. Lost for words

I seen that too. Very early in the morning to have my day ruined. Terrible stuff, I feel gutted after watching it.

VinLieger · 17-07-2014 08:22AM

Very curious to know which part of the beach was causing problems for the Israeli army that they had to shell it like that

wes · 17-07-2014 09:18AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Very curious to know which part of the beach was causing problems for the Israeli army that they had to shell it like that

There problem was the Palestinians kids on the beach, having fun. [sarcasm]Which was clearly a grave danger to Israel.[/sarcasm]

blackwhite · 17-07-2014 11:24AM

BBC reporting that a ceasefire has been agreed between Israel and Hamas to become effective tomorrow morning.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28344637

In the meantime, I wouldn't be surprised to intensification of attacks from both sides up to that point.

Probably followed by rocket being fired by some of the militant groups that Hamas doesn't control, doing their best to get Israel to break ceasefire.

donegal__road · 17-07-2014 11:28AM

'All Palestinian mothers should be killed...' Israeli MP

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/

BlaasForRafa · 17-07-2014 11:40AM

donegal__road wrote: »

'All Palestinian mothers should be killed...' Israeli MP

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/

Presstv is hardly an unbiased source, being that it's the Iranian state propaganda agency. It's been known to post fake news about Israel before.

karma_ · 17-07-2014 11:42AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Presstv is hardly an unbiased source, being that it's the Iranian state propaganda agency. It's been known to post fake news about Israel before.

Well the same story is in the Independant, still I guess that hardly matters to a cheerleader boy like yourself.

Have a nice day!

davmol · 17-07-2014 11:52AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Presstv is hardly an unbiased source, being that it's the Iranian state propaganda agency. It's been known to post fake news about Israel before.

You will also find that alot of 'propanganda' comes from the Israeli side but we are conditioned to accept that because its told to us by men in suits and not those 'terrorist arabs'

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-07-2014 11:59AM

Silly question i know but why would you let your children play on the beach in the middle of a war zone?

karma_ · 17-07-2014 12:05PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Silly question i know but why would you let your children play on the beach in the middle of a war zone?

You were right, that is a silly question.

(don't worry I'll still be your buddy on the City thread)

davmol · 17-07-2014 12:13PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Silly question i know but why would you let your children play on the beach in the middle of a war zone?

When the highly moral Israelis tell you to leave your home because they are going to bomb it regardless if you stay in it or not,even if you are or arent a terrorist,alot of people thought they could seek refuge on a beach.But no,teh ISraelis saw 4 inncoent boys running from an explosion so thought they would slaughter them.

Where else do you suggest the paestinians go?They are trapped by land,by air and by sea.

RobertKK · 17-07-2014 12:20PM

davmol wrote: »

You will also find that alot of 'propanganda' comes from the Israeli side but we are conditioned to accept that because its told to us by men in suits and not those 'terrorist arabs'

I don't want to be pedantic, but...Iranians are not Arabs.

karma_ · 17-07-2014 12:24PM

A better way is to look at the size of Gaza and compare it, let's say to the Isle of Man.

Gaza is slightly larger than 'half' the Isle of Man, is has a population however that is 20 times larger. It's a very densely populated place and this doesn't even take into consideration areas that the Palestinians can't go or even the illegal settlements.

A better question would be; Is there anywhere safe in Gaza?

speedboatchase · 17-07-2014 12:29PM

How about a boards.ie ceasefire in this thread too?

Red Pandas, anyone?
http://www.her.ie/entertainment/red-pandas-are-fabulous-and-are-probably-better-than-every-animal-ever/

El Siglo · 17-07-2014 12:36PM

karma_ wrote: »

A better way is to look at the size of Gaza and compare it, let's say to the Isle of Man.

Gaza is slightly larger than 'half' the Isle of Man, is has a population however that is 20 times larger. It's a very densely populated place and this doesn't even take into consideration areas that the Palestinians can't go or even the illegal settlements.

A better question would be; Is there anywhere safe in Gaza?

Absolutely spot on.

Civilians can't flee into the State of Israel as the border is closed, nor can they flee into Egypt as that border is also closed. So really the only 'safe' place they can go is into the Mediterranean Sea, which as demonstrated in the deaths of the four little boys is now also dangerous. Effectively, Palestinians in Gaza are trapped.

BlaasForRafa · 17-07-2014 12:46PM

karma_ wrote: »

A better way is to look at the size of Gaza and compare it, let's say to the Isle of Man.

Gaza is slightly larger than 'half' the Isle of Man, is has a population however that is 20 times larger. It's a very densely populated place and this doesn't even take into consideration areas that the Palestinians can't go or even the illegal settlements.

A better question would be; Is there anywhere safe in Gaza?

If Hamas stopped firing rockets and mortars into Israel (even during the truce today they fired a number of rockets and mortar bombs) then everywhere in Gaza would be safe.

Also there are no settlements in Gaza, they were dismantled in 2005.

Going by the reports on the news this morning it seems that Hamas's military wing want to keep on fighting until they score a "spectacular" as the provos called it that they can sell to their followers as a propaganda victory. Before the truce today the BBC reported that Hamas tried infiltrating across the border through a tunnel with the intention of attacking a kibbutz. They were stopped by the IDF

Nodin · 17-07-2014 01:07PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Presstv is hardly an unbiased source, being that it's the Iranian state propaganda agency. It's been known to post fake news about Israel before.

She's well known for it.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.590928

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-brink-of-burning-my-israeli-passport-9600165.html

Zebra3 · 17-07-2014 01:15PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

If Hamas stopped firing rockets and mortars into Israel (even during the truce today they fired a number of rockets and mortar bombs) then everywhere in Gaza would be safe.

Also there are no settlements in Gaza, they were dismantled in 2005.

Going by the reports on the news this morning it seems that Hamas's military wing want to keep on fighting until they score a "spectacular" as the provos called it that they can sell to their followers as a propaganda victory. Before the truce today the BBC reported that Hamas tried infiltrating across the border through a tunnel with the intention of attacking a kibbutz. They were stopped by the IDF

There are hundreds of thousands of illegal settlers living in Palestine.

Israel wants to expand.

People have the right to defend against occupation.

FTA69 · 17-07-2014 01:19PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Also there are no settlements in Gaza, they were dismantled in 2005.

Totally irrelevant. Gaza is not some sort of autonomous and belligerent state. It is an inherent part of the Palestinian territory and the people living there are members of the Palestinian nation. The much-lauded withdrawal of 2005 simply resulted in a greater drive to construct illegal settlements in the West Bank.

It would be like the British giving back South Armagh and deciding to help themselves to Donegal and Monaghan instead.

mrsweebri · 17-07-2014 01:29PM

It's not wholly irrelevant. Many Israeli citizens are genuinely frightened of giving concessions. They did withdraw from Gaza as stated and were fired upon. They ceased bombing briefly on Tuesday and were fired upon. Whenever they have made a slight concession it fuels the violent resistance as there is so much more they want to achieve (end siege, end occupation in the West Bank etc).

This fuels the fear and encourages the citizens to support increasingly right wing, fierce approach to Palestinians such as the Gaza bombings and expansion in the West Bank.

I do NOT support the Gaza siege or the occupation. I do think its important to say that mAny (most?) Israelis fear their neighbours, and it is this fear that breeds what appears to be murderous, racist attitudes. I don't know if they realise that Palestinians have more reason to fear than they do, as crazy as that may sound.

R P McMurphy · 17-07-2014 01:36PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Silly question i know but why would you let your children play on the beach in the middle of a war zone?

ww.nytimes.com/2014/07/17/world/middleeast/gaza-strip-beach-explosion-kills-children.html?_r=0

The four Bakr boys were young cousins, the children of Gaza fishermen who had ordered them to stay indoors — and especially away from the beach. But cooped up for nine days during Israeli bombardments, the children defied their parents and went out Wednesday afternoon, the eldest shooing away his little brother, telling him it was too dangerous.

As they played on and around a jetty in the late-afternoon sun, a blast hit a nearby shack. One boy was killed instantly. The others ran. There was a second blast, and three more bodies littered the sand. One was charred, missing a leg, and another lay motionless, his curly head intact, his legs splayed at unnatural angles.

BlaasForRafa · 17-07-2014 01:38PM

FTA69 wrote: »

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Totally irrelevant. Gaza is not some sort of autonomous and belligerent state. It is an inherent part of the Palestinian territory and the people living there are members of the Palestinian nation. The much-lauded withdrawal of 2005 simply resulted in a greater drive to construct illegal settlements in the West Bank.

It would be like the British giving back South Armagh and deciding to help themselves to Donegal and Monaghan instead.

There is no "palestinian nation" and there never has been.

Karma said there were illegal settlements in Gaza and I correctly said that there were not, I stated a fact but you decided to go off on some kind of rant

wes · 17-07-2014 01:42PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

There is no "palestinian nation" and there never has been.

From dictionary.com:

nation
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na·tion
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noun
1.
a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own: The president spoke to the nation about the new tax.
2.
the territory or country itself: the nations of Central America.
3.
a member tribe of an American Indian confederation.
4.
an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family, often speaking the same language or cognate languages.

Under the above definitions, Palestinians qualify as a nation.

I Heart Internet · 17-07-2014 01:47PM

mrsweebri wrote: »

I do NOT support the Gaza siege or the occupation. I do think its important to say that mAny (most?) Israelis fear their neighbours, and it is this fear that breeds what appears to be murderous, racist attitudes. I don't know if they realise that Palestinians have more reason to fear than they do, as crazy as that may sound.

The thing about fear is that it's oftern very unreasonable and can be provked, deliberatly or otherwise, by people, events and our own imagination.

I know the thought of being run into the sea by my neighbours who hate me for existing would scare me just as much as the threat of missiles and arrest.

Nodin · 17-07-2014 01:52PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

The thing about fear is that it's oftern very unreasonable and can be provked, deliberatly or otherwise, by people, events and our own imagination.

I know the thought of being run into the sea by my neighbours who hate me for existing would scare me just as much as the threat of missiles and arrest.

Earlier you said there were links between Hamas and ISIS. Do you have anything to back that up?

FTA69 · 17-07-2014 01:55PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

There is no "palestinian nation" and there never has been.

There has never been a Palestinian people? Are you actually serious? Funnily enough I know loads of them. I've stayed in their houses and had dinner with them. I never knew they were a figment of my imagination.

This is one of the most unpalatable positions of Israel and its supporters, the denial that Palestinians even exist. As if they're just a shower of Jordanians squatting on land that rightly belongs to the Jews or something. Secondly, the whole "there's never been a Palestinian state" is a non-issue; as if Israel was a continuous entity or something as opposed to a royal vassal kingdom 3000 years ago. Even then, they were vastly different to the coalition of Americans, Russians and Ethiopians who make up Israel today.

karma_ · 17-07-2014 02:41PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

There is no "palestinian nation" and there never has been.

Karma said there were illegal settlements in Gaza and I correctly said that there were not, I stated a fact but you decided to go off on some kind of rant

I may be mistaken about the settlements in Gaza, but it's interesting that was the point you focused on in what I had said... isn't it?

I guess that would be an extra couple of square kilometers for a population of 1.6m to squeeze into.

davmol · 17-07-2014 03:02PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank_Areas_in_the_Oslo_II_Accord

Time after time,the israelis illegally grab land and expect the palestinians to come back to the negotiating table while they do this

Karl Stein · 17-07-2014 03:43PM

davmol wrote: »

Time after time,the israelis illegally grab land and expect the palestinians to come back to the negotiating table while they do this

They pretend they want to discuss sharing the cake while greedily stuffing their faces with it.

The Israelis will not allow the Palestinians to have anything resembling a state in the West Bank. The two state solution is dead and will not happen.

The one state solution is unacceptable to Israelis because it would mean the incorporation of millions of Palestinians into Israel watering down the 'Jewishness' of the state.

Warper · 17-07-2014 03:46PM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

FTA69 wrote: »

There is no "palestinian nation" and there never has been.

Karma said there were illegal settlements in Gaza and I correctly said that there were not, I stated a fact but you decided to go off on some kind of rant

The Israelis would love this, hence the slow genocide that has been going on for decades

Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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