Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

Raif Severance · 15-07-2014 12:31PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I agree but when you convert it to £'s (£31m) it's only £5m and change more than we allegedly paid for Lallana.

Nope.

Bournesmouth has a 25% Sell-on-Fee for Lallana, and they only got 4M.

Cherries to receive £4million in Lallana deal

It was initially reported that Lallana had been sold by Southampton for fee in the region of £23-28million, with the Cherries set to receive 25% of the fee due to a sell on clause which had been installed following his move from Dean Court at the age of 12.

That would have seen AFC Bournemouth receive a fee in the region of £5.75million and £7million from the sell-on clause.

However the Daily Echo 's Neil Meldrum posted on Twitter ...

'#afcb understood to have received a fee in the region of £4m from the Lallana to #lfc deal.

'Lots of complexities regarding the fee for Lallana to #lfc, hence the #afcb 25% being around £4m.

Read more: http://www.bournemouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=362414#ixzz37XGmMacH

That means Lallana only costs us 16M. But that one will possibly have Performance-related Add-ons. But it's still nowhere near the Region most like to Spout.

Tusky · 15-07-2014 12:32PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Its a different situation to Spurs.

Liverpool have a manager going into his 3rd season and his philosophy is cemented into the current players. Spurs had a new manager with a different way of playing. It wasn't working and he was sacked only to be replaced with a two bob manager.

There's only 2 players in the world that could replace Suarez so it's about spreading the money around the squad.

Goals for will probably fall but I don't mind that once there's a significant fall in goals against.

We obviously can't replace Suarez with another Suarez. That player doesn't exist. We also can't replace him with a player as good as Suarez, because that player would be too expensive. But the players we seem to be replacing him with are too far below his level in my opinion. When we signed Suarez he was 23/24 and already an excellent player, with the potential to be one of the best. That is the type of player we should be going for, but none of our targets fall into that category. Maybe Markovic is in that bracket, but he doesn't seem nearly as established as Suarez was when we signed him.

K-9 · 15-07-2014 12:34PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Its a different situation to Spurs.

Liverpool have a manager going into his 3rd season and his philosophy is cemented into the current players. Spurs had a new manager with a different way of playing. It wasn't working and he was sacked only to be replaced with a two bob manager.

There's only 2 players in the world that could replace Suarez so it's about spreading the money around the squad.

Goals for will probably fall but I don't mind that once there's a significant fall in goals against.

True that, Spurs were a bit of a joke last season and still managed a point total that often gets 4th, we are much more settled and barring Suarez aren't really in fear of losing our best players.

Turtyturd · 15-07-2014 12:34PM

That's a fairly original and outlandish opinion on Suarez.

Agent Coulson · 15-07-2014 12:34PM

Raif Severance wrote: »

Nope.

Bournesmouth has a 25% Sell-on-Fee for Lallana, and they only got 4M.

That means Lallana only costs us 16M. But that one will possibly have Performance-related Add-ons. But it's still nowhere near the Region most like to Spout.

That's why I said we allegedly paid for Lallana

Nuri Sahin · 15-07-2014 12:35PM

Raif Severance wrote: »

Nope.

Bournesmouth has a 25% Sell-on-Fee for Lallana, and they only got 4M.

That means Lallana only costs us 16M. But that one will possibly have Performance-related Add-ons. But it's still nowhere near the Region most like to Spout.

This will go over or amiss by opposition fans, no doubt. 16M is a fair price.

Soft Falling Rain · 15-07-2014 12:38PM

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

I think all the players you sign wont make up for losing Suarez, like spurs lost Bale. despite his problems, he is a fantastic finisher

I think we'll bridge the gap his goals will leave between the likes of Sturridge, Lambert, a muted 3rd striker, Sterling, Coutinho, Lallana and Markovic. All of these guys know where the net is and they should be able to significantly ease the goal quota in Suarez's absence.

But, the problem is replacing Suarez's general play and overall contribution. How do you replace that explosiveness he possesses, the ability to turn a game on its head in one fell swoop? There are so few players in the world who possess such ability, so it's a bit of a mute point telling us we're going to miss it. Of course we are, like any other team would in such a scenario.

I believe, however, that Rodgers is revamping the attack dramatically, taking away an onus on a spearhead like Luis. The amount of attacking options (and it's not over yet) we have now to shift gears in a game is staggering TBH, and that's what excites me about the coming season.

Even when Luis was at his best, there was a certain predictability about us. We had nothing on the bench, absolutely fcuk all and if the two lads up front weren't on song, teams knew they could confidently frustrate us and tough out a result.

That predictability is gone now, and we are now much more well equipped to handle games that are going against us (assuming the spending continues). I firmly believe that.

I am genuinely optimistic about next season simply because I believe Rodgers is quietly assembling the squad that he's always wanted; one that is flexible and fluid in terms of both tactics AND manpower.

K-9 · 15-07-2014 12:39PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

That's a fairly original and outlandish opinion on Suarez.

Yep, it's a bit like saying we need 1 or 2 first team starters. It's silly season and a quiet time so it will get repetitive. I've no doubt Rodgers is on the same hymn sheet as us, they went after Sanchez so it does seem to be a priority. We've a huge budget and 6 weeks left yet.

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

This will go over or amiss by opposition fans, no doubt. 16M is a fair price.

Probably about spot on.

K-9 · 15-07-2014 12:42PM

Last season was such an outlier it's easy to get carried away. 70/80 goals would be pretty good going in any season, I'm not sure we have that yet though. More signings!

DM is the glaring weakness in who we've been linked to so far, Can/Lucas/Gerrard are hardly confidence instilling!

Strongbow10 · 15-07-2014 12:43PM

Being reported now that our interest in Moreno is over

Turtyturd · 15-07-2014 12:48PM

Tusky wrote: »

We obviously can't replace Suarez with another Suarez. That player doesn't exist. We also can't replace him with a player as good as Suarez, because that player would be too expensive. But the players we seem to be replacing him with are too far below his level in my opinion. When we signed Suarez he was 23/24 and already an excellent player, with the potential to be one of the best. That is the type of player we should be going for, but none of our targets fall into that category. Maybe Markovic is in that bracket, but he doesn't seem nearly as established as Suarez was when we signed him.

When we signed him the casual fan knew who Suarez was, Can and Markovic seem like the type of player that only those who pretend to watch obscure football would have good knowledge of.

I don't think we will go for a Suarez type signing again. Looking at the players 'The Rodgers' has used after they were signed, I think he sees/wants his legacy to be someone who can develop young cheap talent, or get the best out of them where others have failed.

K-9 · 15-07-2014 12:53PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

When we signed him the casual fan knew who Suarez was, Can and Markovic seem like the type of player that only those who pretend to watch obscure football would have good knowledge of.

I don't think we will go for a Suarez type signing again. Looking at the players 'The Rodgers' has used after they were signed, I think he sees/wants his legacy to be someone who can develop young cheap talent, or get the best out of them where others have failed.

That was under much tighter budget constraints though. What has he spent in 4 transfer windows up to this? £80/90 Million something like that. Not massive money for a top 4 club. He'll have that and what we normally spend in 1 window this Summer.

dobsdave · 15-07-2014 01:02PM

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Being reported now that our interest in Moreno is over

Where?

Nuri Sahin · 15-07-2014 01:06PM

dobsdave wrote: »

Where?

****e Sports. Don't see it mentioned anywhere else.

K-9 · 15-07-2014 01:08PM

We did go after Mk, Willian and Sanchez. Just need to close one out for a fecking change!

mormank · 15-07-2014 01:13PM

mormank wrote: »

Ya know, the funny thing is, we might not even need to replace his 30 PL goals next season. If we improved our defence and team we might not concede as many as we did last year and in fact could win the league (or secure top 4) with just 71 goals scored, which I believe is 30 less than we scored last season. In theory you only need 38 goals to win 38 matches. This logic has made me feel alot better about him leaving anyway.

Devilman40k wrote: »

This.... no need to replace all 30 goals if we leak 20 goals less in the coming season.

Suppose i agree with you. :P

kfallon · 15-07-2014 01:13PM

Right, who have we signed in the last 24-48 hours? Just Markovic? Or have we signed anyone at all?

Knex* · 15-07-2014 01:16PM

kfallon wrote: »

Right, who have we signed in the last 24-48 hours? Just Markovic? Or have we signed anyone at all?

Reus, by all accounts.

*This may not be true

mormank · 15-07-2014 01:17PM

Tusky wrote: »

We obviously can't replace Suarez with another Suarez. That player doesn't exist. We also can't replace him with a player as good as Suarez, because that player would be too expensive. But the players we seem to be replacing him with are too far below his level in my opinion. When we signed Suarez he was 23/24 and already an excellent player, with the potential to be one of the best. That is the type of player we should be going for, but none of our targets fall into that category. Maybe Markovic is in that bracket, but he doesn't seem nearly as established as Suarez was when we signed him.

When we signed Suarez we didn't have another 20-30 goal a season striker on the books either like we do now. We didn't have a 19 year old Sterling looking like he has the world at his feet. No Coutinho, their counterparts at the time I believe were Downing, Carroll and Joe Cole in the team lineup. My point is that while obviously Suarez will be a massive loss we are still in a much better position now imo than the day we signed him. Two years after we signed him we almost won the title so who knows where we might be in another two starting from a better position than Jan 2011

15-07-2014 01:19PM

Knex. wrote: »

Reus, by all accounts.

This makes sense now. The Moreno interest has ended because we have Reus in the back

smileyj1987 · 15-07-2014 01:21PM

Devilman40k wrote: »

This.... no need to replace all 30 goals if we leak 20 goals less in the coming season.

Hell if you could even leak 10 less goals next season in the league that would be a big improvement .

kfallon · 15-07-2014 01:23PM

Knex. wrote: »

Reus, by all accounts.

That'll do for me.....

*goes off to order 'Reus 21' home, away and third kits*

Devilman40k · 15-07-2014 01:24PM

kfallon wrote: »

That'll do for me.....

*goes off to order 'Reus 21' home, away and third kits*

Don't forget the Reus 2014/15 Premier League Champion shirt

:P

Agent Coulson · 15-07-2014 01:25PM

So Reus has been left out of Dortmund's press release photo's for the new jersey!

Proof that he is leaving to join us :pac:

mormank · 15-07-2014 01:29PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

When we signed him the casual fan knew who Suarez was, Can and Markovic seem like the type of player that only those who pretend to watch obscure football would have good knowledge of.

I don't think we will go for a Suarez type signing again. Looking at the players 'The Rodgers' has used after they were signed, I think he sees/wants his legacy to be someone who can develop young cheap talent, or get the best out of them where others have failed.

Whoa whoa whoa, wait there just a minute!! The only reason the 'casual fan' knew about Suarez before we signed him was because of his handball against ghana in the world cup. They knew we had signed the guy who handled on the line in the world finals to deny Ghana a spot in the next round, not due to his footballing efforts, although quite measurable at that point, I can assure you!

K-9 · 15-07-2014 01:32PM

mormank wrote: »

When we signed Suarez we didn't have another 20-30 goal a season striker on the books either like we do now. We didn't have a 19 year old Sterling looking like he has the world at his feet. No Coutinho, their counterparts at the time I believe were Downing, Carroll and Joe Cole in the team lineup. My point is that while obviously Suarez will be a massive loss we are still in a much better position now imo than the day we signed him. Two years after we signed him we almost won the title so who knows where we might be in another two starting from a better position than Jan 2011

The glass is half full, excellent post. As football fans we tend to want things now and forget the bigger picture. Jesus when you put it that way, Carroll, Downing, Adam and Cole for what we have now is a big upgrade. Testament to Rodgers and the committee and owners. It also shows FSG have largely delivered on what they promised, after getting a bit carried away the first Summer!

The other thing is we all knew Suarez was away next Summer at the latest, all the club can do is use the money to get badly needed additions to the squad (let's face it, we over achieved last season and things went our way) and leave us ready to try and cement top 4, but more importantly leave us in good stead for the future. The club has a stadium to redevelop which will affect finances for the foreseeable future, Chelsea and Spurs have to do that too but United, City and Arsenal don't.

We also have an excellent manager who seems to be able to get the best out of players, some who many gave up on like Henderson, Sterling, Cissokho and Flanagan, and has used the limited resources he had brilliantly, showing adaptability and learning from mistakes.

Remember Kyriakos mentioned last night (Cult hero he was), we've come a long way since H&G and the early mistakes of FSG.

taidghbaby · 15-07-2014 01:36PM

mormank wrote: »

When we signed Suarez we didn't have another 20-30 goal a season striker on the books either like we do now. We didn't have a 19 year old Sterling looking like he has the world at his feet. No Coutinho, their counterparts at the time I believe were Downing, Carroll and Joe Cole in the team lineup. My point is that while obviously Suarez will be a massive loss we are still in a much better position now imo than the day we signed him. Two years after we signed him we almost won the title so who knows where we might be in another two starting from a better position than Jan 2011

We had Torres who was then sold (Suarez was bought to play alongside Torres)! We didn't have Carroll at that stage and Downing was signed the following summer!

But yes we had just had "that" summer transfer window and Hodgson had just left, so we are in an immeasurably better place now than we were the day Suarez signed!

Knex* · 15-07-2014 01:46PM

mormank wrote: »

Whoa whoa whoa, wait there just a minute!! The only reason the 'casual fan' knew about Suarez before we signed him was because of his handball against ghana in the world cup. They knew we had signed the guy who handled on the line in the world finals to deny Ghana a spot in the next round, not due to his footballing efforts, although quite measurable at that point, I can assure you!

I only started posting here around the time Suarez signed. I think I remember people saying that Rebel had been raving about him for ages, and was delighted when he signed.

This happen, or am I making it all up?

delaney001 · 15-07-2014 01:49PM

Tusky wrote: »

We obviously can't replace Suarez with another Suarez. That player doesn't exist. We also can't replace him with a player as good as Suarez, because that player would be too expensive. But the players we seem to be replacing him with are too far below his level in my opinion. When we signed Suarez he was 23/24 and already an excellent player, with the potential to be one of the best. That is the type of player we should be going for, but none of our targets fall into that category. Maybe Markovic is in that bracket, but he doesn't seem nearly as established as Suarez was when we signed him.

Did you genuinely believe suarez had the potential to be the best striker in the world when he signed? I can honestly say I never would have predicted the freak out in form he showed over the next 2 seasons.

5live · 15-07-2014 01:50PM

Knex. wrote: »

I only started posting here around the time Suarez signed. I think I remember people saying that Rebel had been raving about him for ages, and was delighted when he signed.

This happen, or am I making it all up?

No, you definitely post on here alright;)

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