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Toaiseach intervenes in Brooks debacle.

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  • #242
    Jim Rockford
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    In the real world, even Enda and his FG cronies are not going to chuck 400,000 votes away


  • #243
    Tabnabs
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    The actual reasons:
    1 The scale, magnitude and number of the concerts with an expected attendance of in excess of 80,000 people per night over five consecutive nights, three of them being week nights is unprecedented for Croke Park Stadium.

    2 Three consecutive concerts have already taken place in Croke Park from the 23rd to 25th of May 2014. Given that Croke Park is situated in a heavily populated residential area, five shows in a row following on from the three concerts already held there this year is considered an over intensification of use of the stadium for the holding of special events/concerts. It would be in effect permitting an increase of 100% in terms of the maximum number of concerts that had previously been held in Croke Park in any given year since the redevelopment of the stadium.

    3 The cumulative effect on residents and on some businesses in the Croke Park and surrounding neighbourhoods, of licencing five shows in a row, three of them on weekdays, would lead to an unacceptable level of disruption to their lives/livelihoods over an unprecedented and prolonged period caused by, concert related noise, access restrictions, traffic disruption, illegal parking and potential antisocial behaviour. The City Council would also be concerned with the precedent that would be created if five consecutive concerts in a row of this scale were licenced.
    http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-press-and-news-read-press-release-press-releases-2014/garth-brooks-outdoor-event

    So the issue of forged objections has consequences on one part of the decision of DCC. It also begs the question of how many objectors does it take for the DCC to take note and include that in a decision process?


  • #244
    comongethappy
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    Jim Rockford wrote: »
    In the real world, even Enda and his FG cronies are not going to chuck 400,000 votes away

    Garth Brooks cancels 3 concerts.
    ->
    FG loses 400k votes...

    Can't get my head around that.


  • #245
    Permabear
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  • #246
    Jim Rockford
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    comongethappy wrote: »
    Garth Brooks cancels 3 concerts.
    ->
    FG loses 400k votes...

    Can't get my head around that.

    Enda can, hence the flurry of activity and flapping behind the scenes.


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  • #247
    Happyman42
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    Tabnabs wrote: »
    The actual reasons:


    http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-press-and-news-read-press-release-press-releases-2014/garth-brooks-outdoor-event

    So the issue of forged objections has consequences on one part of the decision of DCC.
    If they verified the objections they considered, then there is no problem.
    It also begs the question of how many objectors does it take for the DCC to take note and include that in a decision process?

    1 objection if given enough weight is enough technically.


  • #248
    Happyman42
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    Where have 'the Gardai' confirmed that? Have they made a statement, I haven't seen one...please link to it.


  • #249
    Permabear
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  • #250
    Thoie
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    Jim Rockford wrote: »
    In a modern society, there inability to rule on any concert licence until about 2 weeks before the actual event is a joke.

    If the promoters had submitted the application in a timely manner, they would have received a response months ago (as early as April if they'd submitted it right after they sold all the tickets). The process takes a set amount of time to allow for the public to object.

    The fact is that the promoters submitted their application very late in the game, knowing that the acceptance/rejection would come only a couple of weeks before the concerts. I suspect that this was a deliberate ploy as they knew they were on dodgy ground, and were hoping for the "we can't cancel on x thousand people this close to the event" reaction.

    While I have no particular love of DCC, they have done nothing wrong here. The blame lies entirely at the feet of whoever it was who decided not to even submit the application until April.

    Your allegations that officials failed to do their jobs in a competent, clear, honest and transparent manner has no basis in reality. It comes across as a pathetic attempt to tarnish reputations, just because they didn't come to the conclusion you wanted.


  • #251
    Dan_Solo
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    He has no choice but to intervene.

    The man is up against an incredibly dense electorate.
    The proof being they voted him in I guess...


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  • #252
    Jim Rockford
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    Thoie wrote: »
    If the promoters had submitted the application in a timely manner, they would have received a response months ago (as early as April if they'd submitted it right after they sold all the tickets). The process takes a set amount of time to allow for the public to object.

    The fact is that the promoters submitted their application very late in the game, knowing that the acceptance/rejection would come only a couple of weeks before the concerts. I suspect that this was a deliberate ploy as they knew they were on dodgy ground, and were hoping for the "we can't cancel on x thousand people this close to the event" reaction.

    While I have no particular love of DCC, they have done nothing wrong here. The blame lies entirely at the feet of whoever it was who decided not to even submit the application until April.

    Your allegations that officials failed to do their jobs in a competent, clear, honest and transparent manner has no basis in reality. It comes across as a pathetic attempt to tarnish reputations, just because they didn't come to the conclusion you wanted.

    The application was agreed with DCC and submitted 14 weeks ago . . . .


  • #253
    Dan_Solo
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    Jim Rockford wrote: »
    Enda can, hence the flurry of activity and flapping behind the scenes.
    This kind of underhanded shoite is exactly the reason why I would never vote for FG or FF in the first place TBH.


  • #254
    raymon
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    I agree. But this thread and op is about political interference in the planning process.

    There was none except for an attempt to rush through a bill by FF. There shouldnt be any in any shape or form.


  • #255
    Jim Rockford
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    This kind of underhanded shoite is exactly the reason why I would never vote for FG or FF in the first place TBH.

    Cranks don't affect political reality in the real world.


  • #256
    Happyman42
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    They didn't propose anything, Aiken proposed the matinees, and DCC said they would consider it on foot of an updated Event Management Plan that was within the terms of the original licence and consequently the law. It has not been approved and is not on offer anymore due to Brooks.


  • #257
    Dan_Solo
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    Nope. Just look at Israel/Palestine peace talks. All PR, never amount to anything.


  • #258
    Jim Rockford
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Nope. Just look at Israel/Palestine peace talks. All PR, never amount to anything.

    yep they should just keep killing each other to keep you happy :rolleyes:


  • #259
    Thoie
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    Jim Rockford wrote: »
    The application was agreed with DCC and submitted 14 weeks ago . . . .

    So you're agreeing with me that the promoter didn't submit their application until April, knowing full well how long the planning process takes? Remember, this is not their first time applying for a concert license - they're fully aware of the timelines involved.


  • #260
    Jim Rockford
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    Thoie wrote: »
    So you're agreeing with me that the promoter didn't submit their application until April, knowing full well how long the planning process takes? Remember, this is not their first time applying for a concert license - they're fully aware of the timelines involved.

    14 weeks ago . . lol


  • #261
    Dan_Solo
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    Jim Rockford wrote: »
    Cranks don't affect political reality in the real world.
    In the last election more than 50% of the Ireland didn't vote for FF or FG. I guess "crank" is the new standard.


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  • #262
    Permabear
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  • #263
    Dan_Solo
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    Jim Rockford wrote: »
    yep they should just keep killing each other to keep you happy :rolleyes:
    Got anything to say that makes an ounce of sense or just random words in random order rinse repeat?


  • #264
    Jim Rockford
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    In the last election more than 50% of the Ireland didn't vote for FF or FG. I guess "crank" is the new standard.

    Meanwhile FG are in power over you, not the cranks . . . ponder that one.


  • #265
    Jim Rockford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭Jim Rockford


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Got anything to say that makes an ounce of sense or just random words in random order rinse repeat?

    Like you bringing Gaza into this thread, what's the next rant the Pope ? lol


  • #266
    Dan_Solo
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    And it seems some people are willing to actively promote planning corruption as long as Brooks does play.


  • #267
    Dan_Solo
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    Jim Rockford wrote: »
    Meanwhile FG are in power over you, not the cranks . . . ponder that one.
    Meanwhile Brooks isn't playing while you get to cry into your GB matching pillowcase and duvet cover set . . . ponder that one.


  • #268
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Jim Rockford wrote: »
    Like you bringing Gaza into this thread, what's the next rant the Pope ? lol
    "rant the Pope"? Want to try something in English next time?


  • #269
    Jim Rockford
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Meanwhile Brooks isn't playing while you get to cry into your GB matching pillowcase and duvet cover set . . . ponder that one.

    Oh look the mask slips . . . lol


  • #270
    Permabear
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  • #271
    Happyman42
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    The forgeries (such as they are, we don't know the extent yet) have been found and dealt with.
    How much better would you like the system to function?
    The forgeries are irrelevant at this stage as there where also genuine, verified objections.
    Objections are only part of what is taken into consideration...planning could be refused even without objections if the Event Plan isn't up to muster or the venue is unsuitable or crowd control is not possible.

    It seems many people are happy to look past this just to get to see Brooks.


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