Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 08:28AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What do you know?????!!!!!

Me? I never know anything.;)

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 08:29AM

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Is the new kit available in stores today or only on the megastore?

July 16th is the release day, so shouldn't be in the shops til then.

markcahill1985 · 14-07-2014 08:31AM

Saucy McKetchup wrote: »

Is the new kit available in stores today or only on the megastore?

Out on Wednesday

TheDoc · 14-07-2014 08:37AM

Kroos to Madrid has hurt my feels. I'd have rather he stayed with Munich....

Schweinsteiger was immense last night, as usual. Such a beast of a CM.

Also the Hummels comments, made me lol immensely. He was carrying a knee injury, and was playing a high line. He was in ribbons after 70minutes into the game.

Germany are my tournament team, was absolutely chuffed, especially for Gotze who has had a rough time of it since moving to Bayern.

Hopefully transfers can get going now that WC over, LVG in place etc.

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 08:41AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Kroos to Madrid has hurt my feels. I'd have rather he stayed with Munich....

Schweinsteiger was immense last night, as usual. Such a beast of a CM.

Also the Hummels comments, made me lol immensely. He was carrying a knee injury, and was playing a high line. He was in ribbons after 70minutes into the game.

Germany are my tournament team, was absolutely chuffed, especially for Gotze who has had a rough time of it since moving to Bayern.

Hopefully transfers can get going now that WC over, LVG in place etc.

The high line comment.... hopefully a high line isn't a general issue, and more down to fitness/injury, because I would expect LVGs general style to require a high line - the midfield can't press quickly if the defensive line is deep.

Leftist · 14-07-2014 08:42AM

have a feeling we'll only get one or two squad players. Something from holland maybe but nowhere near the level of vidal.

i'd like to think the club pulled out of interest in kroos once they knew he wanted to go to madrid. He's immense.

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 08:44AM

My guess at signings:

De Vrij, De Jong and Depay.

Can see us then moving for Strootman in January/Summer.

I do think Vidal is a target, but I don't think that we will get it done. Same with Hummels and Reus. The three dutch lads above will be the fall back options on the big targets.

coach23 · 14-07-2014 08:44AM

who are we "signing" today

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 08:46AM

coach23 wrote: »

who are we "signing" today

Probably a sponsor.

KH25 · 14-07-2014 08:50AM

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

I didnt mean signings by Wednesday :pac:

A man can dream.

weisses · 14-07-2014 09:01AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My guess at signings:

De Vrij, De Jong and Depay.

Can see us then moving for Strootman in January/Summer.

I do think Vidal is a target, but I don't think that we will get it done. Same with Hummels and Reus. The three dutch lads above will be the fall back options on the big targets.

No way LvG will bring that many dutch players with him ... He did at Barcelona and thought it was a mistake

homerjay2005 · 14-07-2014 09:03AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

My guess at signings:

De Vrij, De Jong and Depay.
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If this ended up being the case, would united fans be happy? Wud mean a total outlay of about £100m but not one proven world class player signed plus vidic, evra, giggs,rio and surely 2 or 3 more players gone like Nani,Ando.

Im just not sure its money well spent in terms of first 11 quality.

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 09:10AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

If this ended up being the case, would united fans be happy? Wud mean a total outlay of about £100m but not one proven world class player signed plus vidic, evra, giggs,rio and surely 3 more players gone like Nani,Ando.

Im just not sure its money well spent in terms of first 11 quality.

I would be annoyed and worried about the defence. We need a player like Hummels, imo. Not style wise - but someone with top level experience and command. We need a leader in defense, and I wouldnt see Smalling, Jones or Evans as that. De Vrij has been captain of his club for a while now though, at such a young age, which is promising for him. (just pointing it out).

De Jong and Depay though, happy enough yeah. I think De Jong and Herrera would represent a massive upgrade in CM quality for us, and with the hope of adding Strootman to it soon enough I'd be ok with it. Not over the moon, but I think it would be good enough.

A wing threat is needed, but not a massive priority imo - so Depay would be a good (cheapish) option here. Di Maria was an nice dream for a couple of days.

Lord TSC · 14-07-2014 09:11AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

If this ended up being the case, would united fans be happy? Wud mean a total outlay of about £100m but not one proven world class player signed plus vidic, evra, giggs,rio and surely 2 or 3 more players gone like Nani,Ando.

Im just not sure its money well spent in terms of first 11 quality.

Honestly, if the budget is 100m and we need 5 first team players (as your scenario would entail), then it becomes even harder to find a balance between improving the first team and getting world class players.

Sure, we could splash out 65m on a big name like Cavaini, but then would we have had to get 4 more players with the remaining 35m?

I'd be happy enough myself; I would feel as if the first team was significantly stronger as a whole with those five added. I'd rather a bit of balance to create a strong first team than blow our cash on a WC player in one position who'd cover up the cracks elsewhere. Again. It would create a solid foundation on which to build next summer/Xmas.

markcahill1985 · 14-07-2014 09:11AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

If this ended up being the case, would united fans be happy? Wud mean a total outlay of about £100m but not one proven world class player signed plus vidic, evra, giggs,rio and surely 2 or 3 more players gone like Nani,Ando.

Im just not sure its money well spent in terms of first 11 quality.

I for one woulnt be, think we desperatly need first team quality, while Shaw and Herrera are a good start I def think we will sign 2 more top players and maybe 1-2 youngish lads. Vidal and Hummels would be the dream and think LVG will go all out for Vidal so hopefully, would like us to sign an attacker as well (Di Maria perfect choice but no chance). Then get rid of the dead wood in the squad to leave 20-21 outfield players for LVG to work with.

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 09:14AM

Big news this week... told ya.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2691296/Manchester-United-seal-70m-year-kit-deal-Adidas-ending-13-seasons-Nike.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Manchester United will confirm a record kit deal of around £70million-a-year with Adidas on Monday afternoon.
The staggering figure is more than double the amount they currently pocket from current partner Nike.
Sportsmail's Charles Sale and Matt Lawton first revealed in May that Adidas were favourites to take over.

KH25 · 14-07-2014 09:17AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Big news this week... told ya.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2691296/Manchester-United-seal-70m-year-kit-deal-Adidas-ending-13-seasons-Nike.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Genuinely can't wait to see next seasons jersey!

beakerjoe · 14-07-2014 09:20AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

If this ended up being the case, would united fans be happy? Wud mean a total outlay of about £100m but not one proven world class player signed plus vidic, evra, giggs,rio and surely 2 or 3 more players gone like Nani,Ando.

Im just not sure its money well spent in terms of first 11 quality.

I would and wouldn't be happy (ah the fence).

On one hand I can see why Top players wouldn't want to come to us this year. When teams liek Barca, City, Chelsea, Real, Bayern all have Champions League football and we dont, its clear to see that why they would choose other teams to us. For that reason I realize we why a Vidal, a Kroos, a Hummells or a Di Maria would pick another big team over us.

That being said Id be happy if we got in a player like De Jong as a stop gap and buy 1 or 2 more players who have potential to be top stars in teh same vein as Herrera and Shaw.

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 09:24AM

KH25 wrote: »

Genuinely can't wait to see next seasons jersey!

It will be chelseas/madrids jersey in red. I don't think adidas will go to any greater lengths for United than they do Madrid.

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 09:27AM

On the sponsorship deal, I'd love to see the detail of the deal (not that we ever will). I wonder does the yearly fee increase over time (the Nike one did) and if their are any clauses about it matching any bigger sponsorship deals they may sign with Madrid/Bayern between now and the end of the deal.

Also, will be intersting to see if we have segmented the clothing line as was rumoured months back - with a Japanese firm in line to sponsor/create a casual clothing line in a serparate deal to the kit deal.

Giggsy11 · 14-07-2014 09:30AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The high line comment.... hopefully a high line isn't a general issue, and more down to fitness/injury, because I would expect LVGs general style to require a high line - the midfield can't press quickly if the defensive line is deep.

Am I missing something here? Are we signing Hummels?

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 09:37AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Am I missing something here? Are we signing Hummels?

no - he is being linked with us. The high line germany were playing was used as one reason for his poor(ish) performance last night, so I commented as I did.

ericzeking · 14-07-2014 09:39AM

I'd have your man Clasie before de Jong, appeared to have a bit about him and obviously with his age has a lot more potential for improvement.

Buying 'proven world class' is not a neccessity in my opinion, it's much better if you have someone identifying the players before they become 'proven world class'.

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't sign another midfielder if Vidal is unattainable and we just wait for Strootman. A midfield 3 (assuming that is how we will play) of Carrick, Herrerra and Mata is how I think we would line out then.

Spazdarn · 14-07-2014 09:41AM

Can't see Mata being played that far back, Kagawa more suited to a central role... apparently LVG rates him.

Giggsy11 · 14-07-2014 09:43AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

no - he is being linked with us. The high line germany were playing was used as one reason for his poor(ish) performance last night, so I commented as I did.

Maybe I read it bit wrongly.

Still I don't think he is realistic target at all.

Mr_Red · 14-07-2014 09:48AM

Anyone know when our Savior takes the hot seat

ericzeking · 14-07-2014 09:49AM

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Can't see Mata being played that far back, Kagawa more suited to a central role... apparently LVG rates him.

Well I'd see it as the top of the triangle, as an AM, not that far back really. Kagawa...ya I agree, at least someone of that ilk playing there regularly. Kagawas confidence needs a lift though.

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 09:51AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Maybe I read it bit wrongly.

Still I don't think he is realistic target at all.

Andy Mitten reckons he is a big target of the club, who reckon he is gettable. FWIW.

Mitch Connor · 14-07-2014 09:52AM

ericzeking wrote: »

I'd have your man Clasie before de Jong, appeared to have a bit about him and obviously with his age has a lot more potential for improvement.

Buying 'proven world class' is not a neccessity in my opinion, it's much better if you have someone identifying the players before they become 'proven world class'.

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't sign another midfielder if Vidal is unattainable and we just wait for Strootman. A midfield 3 (assuming that is how we will play) of Carrick, Herrerra and Mata is how I think we would line out then.

Read a few dutch fans liken Classie to Cleverley. Also, I would reckon they are different players. De Jong would be a far better bet than Classie (imo) in midfield with Herrera and maybe Mata/Kagawa, from a balance point of view.

KH25 · 14-07-2014 09:54AM

ericzeking wrote: »

I'd have your man Clasie before de Jong, appeared to have a bit about him and obviously with his age has a lot more potential for improvement.

Buying 'proven world class' is not a neccessity in my opinion, it's much better if you have someone identifying the players before they become 'proven world class'.

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't sign another midfielder if Vidal is unattainable and we just wait for Strootman. A midfield 3 (assuming that is how we will play) of Carrick, Herrerra and Mata is how I think we would line out then.

Clasie reminds me of Cleverley only more developed. It will be interesting to see what LVG will do with Cleverley. He has potential alright. Whether he can utilise it is a completely different question.

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