Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

12-07-2014 01:20AM

deisedevil wrote: »

Your spot on. Tis gas listening to those who are of the opinion that the voice of Scholes holds no weight. Those same people were in pampers when he was in his prime and are puking in alleyways right now. He wasn't quite just because he was too shy and if people can understand why he kept to himself throughout his career they might also realize what a great student of the game he was and why his opinions are worth taking note of.

Thankfully there doesn't seem to be anyone like that around here, just a few who question why he chose Paddy Power to voice his opinions.

beno619 · 12-07-2014 06:32AM

stankratz wrote: »

That's true, it's just the means by which he chooses to voice that opinion which some of us question.

Why if anything someone like paddy power would let him say whatever he feels the need to.

We've seen the agenda's that exist in places like sky "Pro British, pretty much propaganda that helped keep Moyes in his job".

super hands · 12-07-2014 07:09AM

looks like we will have adidas as our kit supplier next season. I hear the adidas stripes make players run faster..

http://www.businessinsider.com/nike-drops-out-of-man-united-bidding-2014-7?utm_content=buffer1983b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

KombuchaMshroom · 12-07-2014 07:47AM

That $128 million translates to roughly £75 million.
So from next year on, from simply having the adidas logo on our shirts, the chevrolet logo too and re naming carrington to aon trainimg complex, we will make just shy of £140 million pounds annually for those 3 simple things.

Ed Woodward is a bloody genius!!

KH25 · 12-07-2014 07:54AM

How much is the club in debt at present?

The_Kew_Tour · 12-07-2014 07:58AM

Ed Woodward football sponsorship genius.

Pro. F · 12-07-2014 08:27AM

deisedevil wrote: »

Your spot on. Tis gas listening to those who are of the opinion that the voice of Scholes holds no weight. Those same people were in pampers when he was in his prime and are puking in alleyways right now. He wasn't quite just because he was too shy and if people can understand why he kept to himself throughout his career they might also realize what a great student of the game he was and why his opinions are worth taking note of.

I'm in my early thirties so you are wrong about at least one person who thinks Scholes's opinions hold no weight.

The reason I'm not impressed by his opinions has nothing to do with how good of a player he was and everything to do with the fact that many great players are rubbish at analysing football.

Copper_pipe · 12-07-2014 08:39AM

Luke shaw turns 19 today and Bebe turns 24!

12-07-2014 08:46AM

KH25 wrote: »

How much is the club in debt at present?

Think it's still somewhere between 3 and 4 hundred million sterling.

merlinsmerryman · 12-07-2014 09:04AM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Luke shaw turns 19 today and Bebe turns 24!

Someone from the club wish them a happy birthday quick!

Larry Wildman · 12-07-2014 09:42AM

Jazlyn Crooked Rig wrote: »

Think it's still somewhere between 3 and 4 hundred million sterling.

If your house is worth £3b, your mortgage is £300m and your income is rising quickly, is that a problem?

Of course it isn't.

The Glazers business plan was spot on - The debt is becoming an irrelevance.

KH25 · 12-07-2014 10:01AM

Jazlyn Crooked Rig wrote: »

Think it's still somewhere between 3 and 4 hundred million sterling.

Cheers.

Larry Wildman wrote: »

If your house is worth £3b, your mortgage is £300m and your income is rising quickly, is that a problem?

Of course it isn't.

The Glazers business plan was spot on - The debt is becoming an irrelevance.

I don't think either of us are saying a thing about the business plan. I just think the deals we are making now could have the debt paid off quite quickly. Imagine the club without the debt. It would free up a lot of money.

Maximus Alexander · 12-07-2014 10:19AM

Pro. F wrote: »

I'm in my early thirties so you are wrong about at least one person who thinks Scholes's opinions hold no weight.

The reason I'm not impressed by his opinions has nothing to do with how good of a player he was and everything to do with the fact that many great players are rubbish at analysing football.

You've only to look at the RTE panel for immediate evidence of this.

ROCKMAN · 12-07-2014 10:19AM

KH25 wrote: »

Cheers.

I don't think either of us are saying a thing about the business plan. I just think the deals we are making now could have the debt paid off quite quickly. Imagine the club without the debt. It would free up a lot of money.

In Fairness the debt doesn't seem to be stopping us spending this summer so far .

duffman13 · 12-07-2014 10:23AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

If your house is worth £3b, your mortgage is £300m and your income is rising quickly, is that a problem?

Of course it isn't.

The Glazers business plan was spot on - The debt is becoming an irrelevance.

This debate has been done to death on here.

Been very quiet on the paper front, saving everything for the Sunday rag no doubt!

Cantstandsya · 12-07-2014 10:26AM

beno619 wrote: »

Why if anything someone like paddy power would let him say whatever he feels the need to.

We've seen the agenda's that exist in places like sky "Pro British, pretty much propaganda that helped keep Moyes in his job".

I think this is spot on. Scholes's first media effort wasn't with Paddy Power, it was his appearance on Sky and he got stuck in to quite a few people and caused a bit of noise as a result. I'd imagine that it was on the back of this that Paddy Power got in touch with him. I'm sure the consultation to get him writing for them was along the lines of "we liked that you got up some people's noses on Sky, please do more of that".

Also, I'm not sure why people have such an issue with Paddy Power, I don't gamble at all and have no interest so I don't really understand the inner workings or how their prices etc. compare but they seem no worse than any other bookies apart from that they make some poor tastes ads but that says as much about their clients than them as, obviously, those ads are the results of focus group testing and the lad culture that they are targeting.

Maximus Alexander · 12-07-2014 10:34AM

Cantstandsya wrote: »

Also, I'm not sure why people have such an issue with Paddy Power, I don't gamble at all and have no interest so I don't really understand the inner workings or how their prices etc. compare but they seem no worse than any other Bookies apart from that, they make some poor tastes ads but that says as much about their clients than them as, obviously, those ads are the results of focus group testing and the lad culture that they are targeting.

Their prices are terrible and they spent the whole of last season taking the absolute piss out of United. There's nothing to redeem them really.

Cantstandsya · 12-07-2014 10:44AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Their prices are terrible and they spent the whole of last season taking the absolute piss out of United. There's nothing to redeem them really.

I guess their prices only bother you if you use them and I guess the fact that they take the piss out of United only matters if you're overly sensitive to that sort of thing. Obviously neither bothers Scholes to any great extent.

I quite like reading his opinions, he was one of the best players I ever saw and what goes on his head is very interesting to me, and the fact that these opinions are on Paddy Power doesn't bother me at all.

redbaron_99 · 12-07-2014 10:46AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

If your house is worth £3b, your mortgage is £300m and your income is rising quickly, is that a problem?

Of course it isn't.

The Glazers business plan was spot on - The debt is becoming an irrelevance.

But you have to take into account the risk involved in the business plan. Yes, it seems to be working out very well at the moment. But it could have gone horribly wrong, and if it had, the club would have been destroyed.

shadowcomplex · 12-07-2014 10:48AM

With the debt cleared would United be on a level playing ground of spending power of real, barca, psg , Monaco , city and Chelsea?

redbaron_99 · 12-07-2014 10:50AM

shadowcomplex wrote: »

With the debt cleared would United be on a level playing ground of spending power of real, barca, psg , Monaco , city and Chelsea?

They certainly would. And if the FIFA fair play regulations are properly enforced in the future, we would be in an even stronger position.

KH25 · 12-07-2014 10:51AM

ROCKMAN wrote: »

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In Fairness the debt doesn't seem to be stopping us spending this summer so far .

Agree. I think the club manages the finances well. But without the debt there would be so much money available for development etc.

shadowcomplex · 12-07-2014 10:57AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

They certainly would. And if the FIFA fair play regulations are properly enforced in the future, we would be in an even stronger position.

With crooked feckers like Blatter and Platini in charge I'm not confident that will happen

VW 1 · 12-07-2014 11:25AM

Slightly OT but Adidas are having a 50% off sale, some serious savings to be made if anyone is looking for some gear.

http://m.adidas.ie/on/demandware.store/Sites-adidas-IE-Site/en_IE/Search-Show?prefn1=sale&prefv1=Outlet

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 12-07-2014 11:29AM

Ballague says DiMaria has told RM he wants to leave. Man Utd and PSG are interested but don't value him at the €70m Real Madrid are looking for.

Going on previous form regarding United and transfers he will end up at PSG.

Vic Vinegar · 12-07-2014 11:34AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Ballague says DiMaria has told RM he wants to leave. Man Utd and PSG are interested but don't value him at the €70m Real Madrid are looking for.

Going on previous form regarding United and transfers he will end up at PSG.

If we got him, cool, we do have more pressing positions to fill though imo.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 12-07-2014 11:36AM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

If we got him, cool, we do have more pressing positions to fill though imo.

That is true, but he is a top top player as fergie would say!!

Adamocovic · 12-07-2014 11:48AM

So Vidal is holding talks with united, lovely stuff. Not too pushed on Di Maria if he goes to PSG I won't lose too much sleep.

Hopefully we can push for a world class centre back soon too.

Peanut Butter Jelly · 12-07-2014 11:51AM

If we are legitimately holding talks with Di Maria and Vidal, then we have to atleast sign one of them (if the price is respectable). Vidal is ahead of Di Maria in terms of positions we need to fill, but we shouldn't turn down Di Maria just because we sign Vidal, and vice versa.

Larry Wildman · 12-07-2014 11:52AM

I like what Scholes has to say. He doesn't seem afraid to speak his mind.

As for Paddy Power, I admire what they've done from humble beginnings. Their prices are rarely good and they won't take chunky bets but so what. We're free to go elsewhere.

And as for slagging off United last season, if I wasn't a United fan I probably would have been doing the same. Moyes' United were an embarrassment and if anything got an easy ride from the media. He was fully deserving of turnips superimposed on his head and "Turkey - How much longer can this embarrassment go on?" headlines. We were a soft and obvious target for, I'm sorry to say, ridicule.

But a certain Iron Tulip is changing that...and they fear us again

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