Star Trek Into Darkness [** SPOILERS FROM POST 452 **]

Penn wrote: »

The lens flare was still awful in some scenes. At one point when Alice Eve is talking it looked her eyes were about to shoot out blue lasers.

I thought the android-esque member of the bridge ceew had a bright light shining from his chest ala iron man, but nope just lense flare!

Yeah I love First Contact

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Granted it's been a few years since I last watched First Contact but I have fond memories of it and would class it as one of the best, if not the best Star Trek films. It had everything I loved about TNG, a smart script, some great action and it wasn't above having a little fun. Thinking about it now and I think it's about time I worked my way through all the films again.

While i enjoyed first contact. Jay is right about the butchering of TV characters. When did Picard go from peaceful diplomat to John McClane? The tagline could have been "Die hard - on the enterprise"

Mark Hamill wrote: »

You know what annoyed me most about this film? Its not the stupid story or the badly written characters, it was the scenes of the ship going into warp. When the ship flies off at warp, it leaves a blue glittery trail and there is just a moment of silence while the camera pans into the trail, but then you hear a "sparkling" sound (like a chandelier rocking) as it passes through the trail. That perfectly sums up how Abrahms sees his audience and what little respect he has for them.

In his eyes, the audience are infants, almost mindless morons, instantly distracted by anything and everything, and you must constantly be making sounds or sights to make sure they pay attention to the screen. The "sparkle" sounding warp trail and the constant lens flaring are the movie making equivalent of dangling keys in front of a babies face to get their attention and I cant help finding my intelligence insulted when I watch his films because of it.

which is really annoying because in the opening scene of ST09 with the Kelvin there a piece where there's an interior explosion, rushing air lots of noise and then pan to outside and it suddenly goes silent. I loved that bit, common sense and really noticeable. And now he's gone and shat even on that!!

People who think they butchered his character in First Contact and "McClaned" him have clearly forgotten what went on in the series.

Picard has never thought clearly about the Borg since he was assimilated.

Scholar, debater, philosopher he may have been......he was still more than happy to use a biological weapon of mass destruction to wipe out the Borg. Give Hugh a virus, send him back to the Borg as a Trojan horse and murder their whole race. He was ready to do it....he ordered them to do it and it took the whole crew an entire episode to convince him not to. In the TV show.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

which is really annoying because in the opening scene of ST09 with the Kelvin there a piece where there's an interior explosion, rushing air lots of noise and then pan to outside and it suddenly goes silent. I loved that bit, common sense and really noticeable. And now he's gone and shat even on that!!

I loved that part, yay a sci-fi movie that realises there's no sound in space, ohhh, wait, they've gone and dropped that in the next scene.

I can't wait to see how Gravity pulls it off, no sound bar the character voices and musical score giving the audio cues. Battlestar Galactica had something similar but even that had lasers and explosions in space too.

Deleted User wrote: »

Rewatching First Contact and loving it. It's everything you could want in a Star Trek film. An intelligent script with just the right amount of humour, great set pieces, a cast obviously having a blast and a real sense of wonder to it all. Picard going all gung ho makes a lot of sense when you think back over his experience with the Borg. He knows them like no other and understands that you cannot see them as anything other than mindless robots whose sole purpose is to conquer other races. His hatred of, and quest to destroy them is quite like Ahab in Mont Dick and adds a lot of layers to what could have been quite a simplistic action film.

Except that bit when The Borg travel to Earth in order to go back in time, when they could have just gone back anywhere in space then travelled to earth once back. It's still a fun film though.

Finally got to see the film this evening, and mostly enjoyed it. I liked the references to a certain previous Star Trek film along with a bit of role reversal in the events. I went in un-spoilered and haven't read all of this thread, so apologies if this has been covered before, but the climactic scenes action scenes were somewhat spolied for me by a major science blunder - or blunders:

When the Enterprise was above the Earth, and lost power, it started falling straight down.
- That tells me it wasn't in an orbit, but just hanging over a spot on the ground with the assistance of its anti-gravity system.
- the first obvious question to ask is "why not enter a stable orbit?", but that's neither here nor there. I'm sure I remember that the Enterprise would enter a "standard orbit" when visiting other planets, if it was mentioned at all. I'm sure they had their reasons.
- You can't "fall out" of a stable orbit, you just keep on going round like the International Space Station does. It would have been the safer option by far.

So, they start falling straight down, and we're told that they must regain power or they will "incinerated".
- first of all, that wasn't really a risk. It would have been had they been re-entering from orbit, which would have meant carrying a tremendous horizontal velocity (and thus kinetic energy) which they'd need to shed. But they weren't in orbit.
- Every spacecraft we've sent in to orbit has had that problem - it was why the Space Shuttle's tiles were so crucial to its safe return, and why the Columbia and its crew were destroyed when they failed.
- we already have a real-world example of a craft that falls directly down from space, and is able to survive just fine without a heat shield: SpaceShip One, the prototype for the forthcoming Virgin Galactic service. It "feathers" its wing to let the atmosphere keep its velocity from getting too high.
- in the film, we do indeed see that the Enterprise falls almost all the way down to Earth, to cloud level. If it had been at risk of incinerating, it would have done so long before that point.

Like I said, I haven't gone looking for spoilers, so I bet someone else on the 'Net has posted a better explanation of why that scene gets a "F" in Science. :cool: