Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 mod warning linked in OP 26/07

GotTheTshirt · 08-07-2014 02:14PM

MD1990 wrote: »

According to Jay Riley( Someone I consider reliable) we are interested in Remy. I think for 8m he would be a very good signing. If we get Lovren too we would have signed 4 players who are not huge names but have PL experience & performed very well too. They wouldn't be marquee signings but it would be better business than what Spurs done last season imo.

We'd hardly get him for 8 million would we?

beakerjoe · 08-07-2014 02:27PM

Remy has 3 years left on his contract and with QPR having money to spend seemingly they might hold out for more than 8 mil. Id say hes good business at 8 mil but Id be thinking it be more of 15 million at least.

Super-Rush · 08-07-2014 02:29PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I know it seems incongruous. But you can only go on what you've seen. Other than that slip, I don't think anyone can question that Gerrard was the better player, when going up vis-a-vis against Lucas. I think perhaps injuries have simply taken their toll on Lucas but I also think that Gerrard's ability, intelligence and vision has mitigated against his failing legs.

How many times did teams over run us in midfield when Lucas wasn't playing?

As a forward thinking player there is no comparison as Gerrard is far superior to Lucas, but defensively both are equally as slow. The majority of Gerrards play should be in the opposition half with zero defensive responsibilities.

I'd much rather see a midfield like this,

Henderson/Lucas

Can/Allen

Gerrard

If Gerrard is one of our defensive midfielders next season then we'll ship just as many goals as we did in the last. He just doesn't have the legs to chase players anymore.

Raif Severance · 08-07-2014 02:30PM

tomaussie wrote: »

I can only assume that the people who don't want Bertrand at the club have never watched him playing.

I've seen him play, granted it was for Villa. But he looks very Ordinary there. In fact, Sterling skinned him many times, when we played against them.

Grayditch wrote: »

I figure he's not a bad option for 6m.

Not really. Specially, if the Rumors about Spurs buying Ben Davies for 8M, are True.

Since, you actually get someone that plays regularly, just for 2M more.

K-9 · 08-07-2014 02:37PM

Super-Rush wrote: »

How many times did teams over run us in midfield when Lucas wasn't playing?

As a forward thinking player there is no comparison as Gerrard is far superior to Lucas, but defensively both are equally as slow. The majority of Gerrards play should be in the opposition half with zero defensive responsibilities.

I'd much rather see a midfield like this,

Henderson/Lucas
Can/Allen

Gerrard

If Gerrard is one of our defensive midfielders next season then we'll ship just as many goals as we did in the last. He just doesn't have the legs to chase players anymore.

I'd love to see more of Allen and Henderson together in CM but I don't think it is going to happen. It seems most Liverpool fans want Gerrard further forward but loads of managers don't agree!

punk_one82 · 08-07-2014 02:41PM

K-9 wrote: »

I'd love to see more of Allen and Henderson together in CM but I don't think it is going to happen. It seems most Liverpool fans want Gerrard further forward but loads of managers don't agree!

I'd have to say the complete opposite. I hate watching Allen and Henderson play together in CM.

whatawaster · 08-07-2014 02:49PM

punk_one82 wrote: »

I'd have to say the complete opposite. I hate watching Allen and Henderson play together in CM.

Tottenham 0 - 5 Liverpool

ThunbergsAreGo · 08-07-2014 02:51PM

Raif Severance wrote: »

I've seen him play, granted it was for Villa. But he looks very Ordinary there. In fact, Sterling skinned him many times, when we played against them.

Actually thought he was very good the day we played them and controlled his side rather well

Cjs21 · 08-07-2014 02:55PM

K-9 wrote: »

I'd love to see more of Allen and Henderson together in CM but I don't think it is going to happen. It seems most Liverpool fans want Gerrard further forward but loads of managers don't agree!

I maybe hated for this but I think leave Gerrard out of the starting 11

I don't think he's up to scratch anymore, it's time for new blood.

Of course I'm not saying get rid of him completely, get Carra and Gerrard as coaches and see what happens.

As far as Allen and Hendo playing together in CM, I don't think it's a bad combo. Both seem to play off each other.

punk_one82 · 08-07-2014 02:56PM

whatawaster wrote: »

Tottenham 0 - 5 Liverpool

If only that game was representative of every game they've played together. Maybe I'm in the minority here but I find it to be a seriously uninspiring CM pairing.

08-07-2014 03:00PM

K-9 wrote: »

I'd love to see more of Allen and Henderson together in CM but I don't think it is going to happen. It seems most Liverpool fans want Gerrard further forward but loads of managers don't agree!

Yeah Rodgers wants pace in attack and Gerrard hasn't got that.

I'm not writing Gerrard off as I did last season and ended up with egg on my face again. When moved he was very good in the sweeper role.

Obviously the guy is coming towards the end of his career but I'd trust Rodgers to use him properly.

Having another good CB and a quality RB would certainly help a lot

Vanolder · 08-07-2014 03:02PM

tomaussie wrote: »

He's better than what we have and 6-8 million would be a snip. I really can't understand people judging a player without seeing them play.

How often have you watched him Vanolder ? Maybe if he was foreign and cost £20 million you'd be happier even if you never seen him play ?

I hope we get him.

I've seen him 4/5 times- more than enough. Pure muck.

slingerz · 08-07-2014 03:04PM

any interest in bringing Michu in to replace Suarez??

smileyj1987 · 08-07-2014 03:04PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Yeah Rodgers wants pace in attack and Gerrard hasn't got that.

I'm not writing Gerrard off as I did last season and ended up with egg on my face again. When moved he was very good in the sweeper role.

Obviously the guy is coming towards the end of his career but I'd trust Rodgers to use him properly.

Having another good CB and a quality RB would certainly help a lot

I think the sweeper role suits him now . I mean the bloke can pass a ball 60 yards and with all the pace in the team this could be devastating .

whatawaster · 08-07-2014 03:14PM

slingerz wrote: »

any interest in bringing Michu in to replace Suarez??

Wouldn't get in our starting 11

Turtyturd · 08-07-2014 03:15PM

Vanolder wrote: »

I've seen him 4/5 times- more than enough. Pure muck.

As muck as Tevez?

beakerjoe · 08-07-2014 03:15PM

whatawaster wrote: »

Wouldn't get in our starting 11

Is Michu not off to Napoli anyway

djPSB · 08-07-2014 03:16PM

slingerz wrote: »

any interest in bringing Michu in to replace Suarez??

Replace a player who scored 31 League goals with a player who scored only 2.

What could go wrong.

08-07-2014 03:23PM

djPSB wrote: »

Replace a player who scored 31 League goals with a player who scored only 2.

What could go wrong.

Moses will get the other 29

slingerz · 08-07-2014 03:32PM

djPSB wrote: »

Replace a player who scored 31 League goals with a player who scored only 2.

What could go wrong.

Maybe recall that Michu was injured most of last season while the season before he scored 20 odd league goals.

Sturridge is going to be the main striker for Liverpool so fans should accept that they are not going to bring in another striker like Suarez while Michu has the flexibilty to play as a 10 as well as leading the line

tibor · 08-07-2014 03:36PM

slingerz wrote: »

Sturridge is going to be the main striker for Liverpool so fans should accept that they are not going to bring in another striker like Suarez while Michu has the flexibilty to play as a 10 as well as leading the line

The problem with Sturridge is he always misses a good chunk of the season with injuries, so unless he's incredibly lucky this season, we're going to need another top quality striker.

edit...

Daniel Sturridge % of #EPL minutes played last 4 seasons:
10/11 33%
11/12 66%
12/13 37%
13/14 67%
Overall 51%

x43r0 · 08-07-2014 03:47PM

tibor wrote: »

The problem with Sturridge is he always misses a good chunk of the season with injuries, so unless he's incredibly lucky this season, we're going to need another top quality striker.

edit...

Daniel Sturridge % of #EPL minutes played last 4 seasons:
10/11 33%
11/12 66%
12/13 37%
13/14 67%
Overall 51%

How much of that was injury though and how much was not getting his game at Chelsea?

Devilman40k · 08-07-2014 03:47PM

tibor wrote: »

The problem with Sturridge is he always misses a good chunk of the season with injuries, so unless he's incredibly lucky this season, we're going to need another top quality striker.

edit...

Daniel Sturridge % of #EPL minutes played last 4 seasons:
10/11 33%
11/12 66%
12/13 37%
13/14 67%
Overall 51%

Do 10/11 and 12/13 take into account time he was available and didn't play - he was at Chelsea both those seasons and figured very little in their plans/was substitute. Iirc he played quite a bit for Liverpool after signing that January (14 games missing a couple through ineligibility and injury)

Using % is a bit misleading as to his fitness, he played in 29 matches out of 38 last season for us. He was subbed off quite a bit after 70/75 minutes in the games where he started.

whatawaster · 08-07-2014 03:50PM

tibor wrote: »

The problem with Sturridge is he always misses a good chunk of the season with injuries, so unless he's incredibly lucky this season, we're going to need another top quality striker.

edit...

Daniel Sturridge % of #EPL minutes played last 4 seasons:
10/11 33%
11/12 66%
12/13 37%
13/14 67%
Overall 51%

Those stats for the first 3 seasons are unfair because he was a backup player who rarely got a chance at Chelsea.

13/14 he was first choice and 11/12 he was first choice for a bit under AVB and his %'s are higher.

He is injury prone though, and we do need someone who can score goals in his absence.

tibor · 08-07-2014 03:55PM

Sure, the stats look worse than they are because he wasn't getting a sniff at Chelsea regardless, but the point remains that it's likely he'll miss at least 10-12 games this season with various ailments so quality options are definitely required.

whatawaster · 08-07-2014 03:57PM

James Pearce at the Echo seems to think we will go for one more attacker, hopefully it will be someone who can do a job when Sturridge isn't there.

mormank · 08-07-2014 04:12PM

donfers wrote: »

We thought the same about Suarez until a few weeks ago

Did we??

Utopia Parkway · 08-07-2014 04:17PM

Chelsea's Nemanja Matic has some interesting things to say about Markovic in the Mirror today.

What can I say about our Markovic? It was excellent playing with this fantastic kid for six months. He has such massive potential that if he changed his attitude in training he could be one of Europe’s best players in his position. But he’s young, he’ll mature, and then nobody will be able to stop him!”

Augmerson · 08-07-2014 04:23PM

whatawaster wrote: »

James Pearce at the Echo seems to think we will go for one more attacker, hopefully it will be someone who can do a job when Sturridge isn't there.

Is that one more attacker overall for signings this summer or just one more in that part of the field. Be worried if we didn't sort out the defence.

Francie Barrett · 08-07-2014 04:30PM

Interesting comments re Markovic maybe not applying himself 100% in training.

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