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A Slow Journey to Faster Times

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Just threw together a quick table to summarise the first six months of my year:

    Month|Mileage
    January|229
    February|151
    March|166
    April|201
    May|160
    June|230


    Total Mileage to 30th June: 1,137

    This is by far the most miles I've ever run in a year (still 6 months to go :)). I also feel there's much more structure to my running and I continue to gradually improve with each race I run. In saying that I've begun to neglect my core work recently as I've upped my mileage. I plan to rectify this as soon as possible as I realise it's important and did at least one session a week until about a month ago (not sure how I got out of the habit). I'm looking forward to what the rest of 2014 brings, where hopefully my training will give me the results I want in my goal races.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    Very impressive progress this year and sensible training, you're going to run a fine marathon no doubt. I would advise to definitely make time for some core work, I try get at least 2 sessions in a week along with upper body weight work and find I finish that little bit stronger at the end of races (and training sessions for that matter) where normally your upper body starts to tire and form would more resemble a broken rag-doll rather than a gallant athlete :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Thursday 3rd July - 75 minutes Easy
    8.41m @ 8:55/m average (125bpm avg)

    Don't know what was up with me tonight. Was sweating profusely from the first mile and had to drop the pace significantly to keep the HR in the mid 120's. I haven't got any explanation.


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 8:35 (122bpm)
    Mile 2 - 8:43 (124bpm)
    Mile 3 - 8:54 (125bpm)
    Mile 4 - 9:03 (125bpm)
    Mile 5 - 9:15 (126bpm)
    Mile 6 - 8:59 (126bpm)
    Mile 7 - 8:32 (126bpm)
    Mile 8 - 8:55 (127bpm)
    0.41 - 4:07 (126bpm)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭Ferris B


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Thursday 3rd July - 75 minutes Easy
    8.41m @ 8:55/m average (125bpm avg)

    Don't know what was up with me tonight. Was sweating profusely from the first mile and had to drop the pace significantly to keep the HR in the mid 120's. I haven't got any explanation.

    Probably just the weather. It's really humid out there last few days. I'm glad my hr monitor is bust cos I'd say the figures aren't pretty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    agreed - I found it very muggy out there tonight


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Friday 4th July - 75 minutes Steady (followed by 10 x 100m Strides)
    10.11m @ 7:25p/m average (151bpm avg)

    To say this run has left me baffled would be an understatement. The first four miles went pretty much to plan, before the pace started to plummet for the remainder of the workout. It was a little bit windy outside, but that doesn't explain much as the first four miles were all in different directions and they weren't affected. Some of the splits are more than a minute slower than the first mile. Ridiculous!
    Due to a very busy weekend coming up, I'm going to be forced to take a couple of days off running. Judging by my runs the last two days, that's probably not a bad thing. The rest might do me good and it won't get in the way of watching the World Cup :).
    I did do the strides at the end, but didn't time them.


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 6:45 (143bpm)
    Mile 2 - 6:58 (153bpm)
    Mile 3 - 7:03 (152bpm)
    Mile 4 - 7:04 (153bpm)
    Mile 5 - 7:19 (153bpm)
    Mile 6 - 7:38 (152bpm)
    Mile 7 - 7:39 (151bpm)
    Mile 8 - 8:00 (151bpm)
    Mile 9 - 7:43 (152bpm)
    Mile 10 - 7:57 (152bpm)
    0.11 - 0:55 (150bpm)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭dublin runner


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Friday 4th July - 75 minutes Steady (followed by 10 x 100m Strides)
    10.11m @ 7:25p/m average (151bpm avg)

    To say this run has left me baffled would bean understatement. The first four miles went pretty much to plan, before the pace started to plummet for the remainder of the workout. It was a little bit windy outside, but that doesn't explain much as the first four miles were all in different directions and they weren't affected. Some of the splits are more than a minute slower than the first mile. Ridiculous!
    Due to a very busy weekend coming up, I'm going to be forced to take a couple of days off running. Judging by my runs the last two days, that's probably not a bad thing. The rest might do me good and it won't get in the way of watching the World Cup :).
    I did do the strides at the end, but didn't time them.


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 6:45 (143bpm)
    Mile 2 - 6:58 (153bpm)
    Mile 3 - 7:03 (152bpm)
    Mile 4 - 7:04 (153bpm)
    Mile 5 - 7:19 (153bpm)
    Mile 6 - 7:38 (152bpm)
    Mile 7 - 7:39 (151bpm)
    Mile 8 - 8:00 (151bpm)
    Mile 9 - 7:43 (152bpm)
    Mile 10 - 7:57 (152bpm)
    0.11 - 0:55 (150bpm)

    Without knowing much about training by heart rate, could it simply be a case of starting out too fast? In other words (!), does the 'fast' first mile have a knock on effect on your heart rate later on in the run and therefore give you a higher rate in the latter miles?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Without knowing much about training by heart rate, could it simply be a case of starting out too fast? In other words (!), does the 'fast' first mile have a knock on effect on your heart rate later on in the run and therefore give you a higher rate in the latter miles?

    You could be right. I've been trying to gradually wind it up without going too slow if you know what I mean? I've struggled to hit 150bpm in my first mile most times but it is something I'll bear in mind for next time. Thanks ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭dublin runner


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    You could be right. I've been trying to gradually wind it up without going too slow if you know what I mean? I've struggled to hit 150bpm in my first mile most times but it is something I'll bear in mind for next time. Thanks ;)

    Might be something worth thinking about but to be honest, I am only guessing when it comes to heart rate! I am sure someone else might be able to shed some more light on it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Might be something worth thinking about but to be honest, I am only guessing when it comes to heart rate! I am sure someone else might be able to shed some more light on it.

    You are right.

    To be honest you should not be getting up to your zone ranges until nearly the end of the first mile. Best bet is to not look at the HR for atleast 5 min into a run and from there adjusting the pace according (erring on the slow side)

    Learned that the hard way doing AnT sessions when I was younger


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    ecoli wrote: »
    You are right.

    To be honest you should not be getting up to your zone ranges until nearly the end of the mile. Best bet is to not look at the HR for atleast 5 min into a run and from there adjusting the pace according (erring on the slow side)

    Learned that the hard way doing AnT sessions when I was younger

    Ok this has put my mind at ease for the moment. I'll give this session another go on Monday and worry about sticking to the pace (7:05 approx) rather than the HR in the first three quarters of a mile. I'll adjust accordingly when it's settled down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    or just run the first mile very easy, not looking at either pace or heart rate, and start running to data when you're warmed up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    RayCun wrote: »
    or just run the first mile very easy, not looking at either pace or heart rate, and start running to data when you're warmed up

    This is probably not a bad idea either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭viperlogic


    Have a quick look at your HR graph in Garmin/Strava or what ever you use, you will see it take awhile for your HR to climb and settle. For me it can be anything from 500 to 800meters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭ThePiedPiper


    RayCun wrote: »
    or just run the first mile very easy, not looking at either pace or heart rate, and start running to data when you're warmed up

    +1 with Ray here. Although I know nothing about running based on heart rate, I would never put any effort into the pace on the first mile of a run. Even in a (longer) race, I would take it fairly easy on the first mile, before easing my way down to goal pace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    RayCun wrote: »
    or just run the first mile very easy, not looking at either pace or heart rate, and start running to data when you're warmed up
    viperlogic wrote: »
    Have a quick look at your HR graph in Garmin/Strava or what ever you use, you will see it take awhile for your HR to climb and settle. For me it can be anything from 500 to 800meters.
    +1 with Ray here. Although I know nothing about running based on heart rate, I would never put any effort into the pace on the first mile of a run. Even in a (longer) race, I would take it fairly easy on the first mile, before easing my way down to goal pace.

    Yes, point taken. I think I have grossly underestimated the importance of the warm up.

    Thanks for all the replies ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    So, my two days off running have given me some time to think (dangerous I know :eek:). I have found races the best way of judging my progress in the last few months so have come up with the following plan:

    July 20th - Fingal 10k
    July 27th - Mullingar 10 Mile
    August 24th - Longford Half-Marathon

    These would give me the opportunity to hit my goals at each distance and also provide a barometer of whereabouts I am with my running going into Berlin.
    Any thoughts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Terry049


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    So, my two days off running have given me some time to think (dangerous I know :eek:). I have found races the best way of judging my progress in the last few months so have come up with the following plan:

    July 20th - Fingal 10k
    July 27th - Mullingar 10 Mile
    August 24th - Longford Half-Marathon

    These would give me the opportunity to hit my goals at each distance and also provide a barometer of whereabouts I am with my running going into Berlin.
    Any thoughts?

    Similar race schedule to what I'm planning in the run up to berlin. I'm missing the 10k but do plan to do the mullingar 10 mile and the Tullamore half( week after Longford. Should give a good indication of what race pace is achievable in Berlin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Terry049 wrote: »
    Similar race schedule to what I'm planning in the run up to berlin. I'm missing the 10k but do plan to do the mullingar 10 mile and the Tullamore half( week after Longford. Should give a good indication of what race pace is achievable in Berlin.

    Hi Terry,
    What sort of time do you think you'll be targeting in Berlin? We seem to have a fair crew from here going over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Terry049


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Hi Terry,
    What sort of time do you think you'll be targeting in Berlin? We seem to have a fair crew from here going over.

    Hi Yaboya,

    I hope to go under 3 hrs, hopefully closer to 2:50. Will see how the 10 & half goes. Goal for them would be 58:30 and 1:18:30. How about yourself? Yeah there does seem to be a good number going over. Looking forward to a few drinks after the race is done. Not drinking till then!! Good luck in the 10k, meant to be though enought course?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Terry049 wrote: »
    Hi Yaboya,

    I hope to go under 3 hrs, hopefully closer to 2:50. Will see how the 10 & half goes. Goal for them would be 58:30 and 1:18:30. How about yourself? Yeah there does seem to be a good number going over. Looking forward to a few drinks after the race is done. Not drinking till then!! Good luck in the 10k, meant to be though enought course?

    Hoping to break the three hour barrier myself. How much by will depend on my training. Immediate goals are sub 37 (10k), sub 62 (10m) and sub 1:23 (half). We'll definitely be downing some 'bier' afterwards whatever the results. Not sure if the boards pub has been decided yet. Don't know much about the Fingal course. Any of the other races I've done in the series have always been in the Park.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Nice solid schedule, might bump into you at the Mullingar 10.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Terry049


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Hoping to break the three hour barrier myself. How much by will depend on my training. Immediate goals are sub 37 (10k), sub 62 (10m) and sub 1:23 (half). We'll definitely be downing some 'bier' afterwards whatever the results. Not sure if the boards pub has been decided yet. Don't know much about the Fingal course. Any of the other races I've done in the series have always been in the Park.

    I have seen the Oscar Wilde pub being mentioned is previous yrs berlin thrends.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Terry049 wrote: »
    I have seen the Oscar Wilde pub being mentioned is previous yrs berlin thrends.....

    I might be in the gutter after a couple of hours alright......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    tang1 wrote: »
    Nice solid schedule, might bump into you at the Mullingar 10.

    Might do alright. I'll confirm if I'm running for definite that week ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    You'll smash 3, P.

    I'll see you at the Longford half, well at the start anyway!


    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Monday 7th July - 75 minutes Steady (followed by 10 x 100m Strides)
    11m @ 7:05p/m average (150bpm avg)

    So I took on board the advice of dublin runner, ecoli, Raycun & RFR about taking it easy at first before getting stuck into this session. Sometimes the hardest thing to work out is what's staring you straight in the face! After this run I feel like a real idiot, as it's blindingly obvious from the results that the lack of a warm up mile previously was most definitely the cause of my problems. Anyway, the results speak for themselves and although I've been f***ing up my recent sessions I still seem to have mastered this heart rate, as it wasn't rising and I didn't need to slow. The only reason miles 9 & 10 aren't as quick is because of the wind. Mile 11 is back bang on the average. I never felt like I was working hard at any stage and could have easily continued. I'm still going to give this HR another bash later in the week though, just to be sure. I threw the strides in during the 1.5 mile cool down. Total of 13.5 miles for the day. Delighted with that.


    Splits:

    Warm up mile - 8:27 (142bpm)

    Mile 1 - 7:06 (148bpm)
    Mile 2 - 7:05 (150bpm)
    Mile 3 - 6:56 (151bpm)
    Mile 4 - 7:04 (151bpm)
    Mile 5 - 7:01 (151bpm)
    Mile 6 - 7:03 (151bpm)
    Mile 7 - 7:05 (152bpm)
    Mile 8 - 7:08 (151bpm)
    Mile 9 - 7:13 (151bpm)
    Mile 10 - 7:13 (152bpm)
    Mile 11 - 7:06 (152bpm)

    1.5 mile cool down (inc strides) - 10:43 (156bpm)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭dublin runner


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Splits:

    Warm up mile - 8:27 (142bpm)

    Mile 1 - 7:06 (148bpm)
    Mile 2 - 7:05 (150bpm)
    Mile 3 - 6:56 (151bpm)
    Mile 4 - 7:04 (151bpm)
    Mile 5 - 7:01 (151bpm)
    Mile 6 - 7:03 (151bpm)
    Mile 7 - 7:05 (152bpm)
    Mile 8 - 7:08 (151bpm)
    Mile 9 - 7:13 (151bpm)
    Mile 10 - 7:13 (152bpm)
    Mile 11 - 7:06 (152bpm)

    1.5 mile cool down (inc strides) - 10:43 (156bpm)

    Great stuff, very consistent. Fair play


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭statss


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Monday 7th July - 75 minutes Steady (followed by 10 x 100m Strides)
    11m @ 7:05p/m average (150bpm avg)

    So I took on board the advice of dublin runner, ecoli, Raycun & RFR about taking it easy at first before getting stuck into this session. Sometimes the hardest thing to work out is what's staring you straight in the face! After this run I feel like a real idiot, as it's blindingly obvious from the results that the lack of a warm up mile previously was most definitely the cause of my problems. Anyway, the results speak for themselves and although I've been f***ing up my recent sessions I still seem to have mastered this heart rate, as it wasn't rising and I didn't need to slow. The only reason miles 9 & 10 aren't as quick is because of the wind. Mile 11 is back bang on the average. I never felt like I was working hard at any stage and could have easily continued. I'm still going to give this HR another bash later in the week though, just to be sure. I threw the strides in during the 1.5 mile cool down. Total of 13.5 miles for the day. Delighted with that.


    Splits:

    Warm up mile - 8:27 (142bpm)

    Mile 1 - 7:06 (148bpm)
    Mile 2 - 7:05 (150bpm)
    Mile 3 - 6:56 (151bpm)
    Mile 4 - 7:04 (151bpm)
    Mile 5 - 7:01 (151bpm)
    Mile 6 - 7:03 (151bpm)
    Mile 7 - 7:05 (152bpm)
    Mile 8 - 7:08 (151bpm)
    Mile 9 - 7:13 (151bpm)
    Mile 10 - 7:13 (152bpm)
    Mile 11 - 7:06 (152bpm)

    1.5 mile cool down (inc strides) - 10:43 (156bpm)


    nice splits - do you still have another level up to master, 160BPM, that would be the last one yeah?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭Tom Joad


    That's a fantastic session.


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