Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Mickeroo wrote: »

If that were the case do you think ye will break back into the top 4 this year?

I'd be sceptical, but I suppose if LVG can get the best out of Mata/Kagawa/Rooney and RVP it wouldn't be impossible.

To be honest, I'm being part tongue-in-cheek in that post and FutureGuying it a bit. But I wouldn't be shocked if nothing else happened either and I'm preparing myself for that eventuality. There's already been ~£60m spent and when was the last time United spent more than that in a summer?

I wouldn't be too thrilled if it ended like this, I think a CB is needed and really another CM should be a priority. But, you'd have to think LVG will be able to get more out of the squad than Moyes did and hopefully Herrera and Shaw will have a positive impact.

I'd be hoping to see more from the likes of Mata and Kagawa this year along with, dare I say it, Fellaini.

If LVG does love Srootman as much as everyone believes then its not unthinkable that we won't sign another midfielder until he's fit again.

Cleverley, Ando, Carrick, Fletch, Powell ect will be different under LVG and I'd expect he would at least look to have a look at them in person.

I still believe there's enough quality in the squad now that LB and CM have been partially addressed.

TheDoc wrote: »

Can't stop believing that buried in there somewhere, is the young spitely kid who was full of energy and adventure with some neat interchanging play.

He was fairly shackled last season to his detriment and then became a scapegoat alongside Fellaini for poor form.

Someone like LVG might find what he is good at and build on it. Tbh it's something Ferguson didn't do either.

I don't know what he is brilliant at, apart from having bags of energy, and a great aptitude for pressing opposition players quickly. He's small but hes tough.

I've always thought the abuse Cleverley gets is way too harsh. I'm convinced he's a better player than what we've seen and he has some great attributes. Playing in such a poor side last year can't have helped him and the abuse he got would destroy anyone's confidence.

That said, him being capable of better doesn't mean being capable of holding down a first team spot for United. I think it's pretty unlikely he'll ever be good enough for that, but I think he could ultimately make a grand squad option with the right management and some decent performances to improve his confidence.

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Very unlikely that Hummels will leave Dortmund.

I think any player will leave Dortmund for the right price. They are a selling club.

I'd be amazed if we didn't sign more players.

thelad95 wrote: »

Personally, I would love Fellaini and Cleverley to prove all the doubters wrong but something tells me they'll be in a West Brom or Stoke shirt by next summer.

Right, I'm calling it now. Fellaini for the 2015 Ballon d'Or. :pac:

Al Capwned wrote: »

Alistair Ferguson just retweeted this...

All the Sharp sh*te in front of them! :eek:

I remember seeing Cleverley and Welbeck as they were starting to break into the first team and I thought the interplay and understanding between the two of them was really exciting. Unfortunately, so far, we haven't seen either player develop to what their potential was suggesting. I have some hopes that LVG can utilise them more effectively than Fergie or Moyes.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see LVG attempt to convert one of our no.10 players into a deeper position. Mata, Kagawa, Rooney would be the possibilities IMO. Of the 3 of them, I could see Kagawa eventually working well as the most forward player of a midfield 3.

As it stands, Januzaj is playing wide for us but IMO his natural position is also a no.10. It's a shame to waste a naturally 2 footed player out wide. Could we maybe see LVG playing Januzaj in a deeper more central role?

The man is unconventional to say the least so nothing would surprise me but I am seriously excited to see how we play next season.

TheDoc wrote: »

I'm fascinated to see what LVG does with Cleverly, if anything.

Can't stop believing that buried in there somewhere, is the young spitely kid who was full of energy and adventure with some neat interchanging play.

He was fairly shackled last season to his detriment and then became a scapegoat alongside Fellaini for poor form.

Someone like LVG might find what he is good at and build on it. Tbh it's something Ferguson didn't do either.

I don't know what he is brilliant at, apart from having bags of energy, and a great aptitude for pressing opposition players quickly. He's small but hes tough.

There is a lot more required from him, but I think he just needs a confident boost and some refinement, so we can see what he is good at.

We aren't a development side, we aren't here to tease good performances out of professional footballers. Tom Cleverley has been given dozens of games for one of the worlds biggest clubs in his preferred position and he simply wasn't good enough to step up and take the opportunity given.

Persevering with limited footballers in the hope that they might show something good is the wrong attitude for what is supposed to be one of the worlds biggest clubs. Get rid and find somebody with talent who might actually take the chance when they get it.