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Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 *mod warning linked in OP 26/07*

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  • #3842
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Fieldog wrote: »
    We should be clearing barca out on Monday, with Neymars injury, they will need Suarez more than ever - 100 million and not a penny less....
    There is a buyout clause of between 70-80m pounds. We are getting good money for Suarez imo. But getting a good replacement is going to be tough as Sanchez joining looks unlikely.


  • #3843
    Iused2likebusts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    Pro. F wrote: »
    I don't think you need to try and replace Suarez directly with a big money forward. The front four of Sturridge, Coutinho, Lallana and Sterling, with Henderson slotting in at times, looks very good to me. And they'll all get better given time.

    I'd say it would be more beneficial to improve the middle of the park and let the good attacking players you have have a crack at it from there.
    It's a fair point sturridge being so injury prone is what would worry me though


  • #3844
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    In a minority , but slightly baffled by the Alexis Sanchez love-in.

    He's a very good footballer but let's face it he's not a prolific goalscorer and he's not exactly prolific assisting either. He didn't have a fantastic world cup, which is not important obviously, but you'd have to say he was massively overshadowed by Arturo Vidal in a workmanlike Chile side.

    I wouldn't lose any sleep over him going to Arsenal or staying in Barcelona. The fact he is unwanted at Barca and was being hawked around for €30-€35m (representing a loss on what they paid Udinese in total) should in itself be a hint.

    I agree largely with Paul Scholes when he said for £30m as a fan he wants someone who can score 20 goals a season on a regular basis. Sanchez has only once hit 20 a season. I know football has moved on a lot in recent years but it's not a bad metric really - for that type of money you should want someone prolific in front of goal.

    Anyway I'm not sure how or where he fits into that Arsenal set up unless they are ready to go back to the Overmars and Ljungberg days by shifting Walcott and Sanchez out wide with Ozil in the hole behind Giroud.

    I do think he did quite well at the world cup to a point but I agree with this sentiment completely.

    In my opinion Sterling will be a better player than Sanchez in two years.


  • #3845
    Ferris_Bueller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Ferris_Bueller


    I honestly don't care how much we get for Suarez once we sign adequate replacements. So far of all the names mentioned, I would only really be satisfied with Sanchez and possibly Shaqiri. I think I would rather even £25m plus Sanchez then to get £100m cash and for Sanchez to go to Arsenal, not that I think Sanchez is worth anywhere near £75m but I can't see who else we will sign to replace Suarez, realistically there are very few players who fit the profile. We could easily squander this money on potential, the price we paid for Lallana and the rumoured bid for Lovren of £20m suggest to me that we could very easily p*ss this money away without making a single world class signing, while both players I feel would do a good job if we were to only sign players of that calibre to replace Suarez then we would be in a weaker position than last season.


  • #3846
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    bluefinger wrote: »
    if Barca fans are anything like us they'll be watching youtube video after youtube video and drooling over suarez.

    I think the post was slightly influenced by Barca fans copping on that Fabregas wasn't all he was cracked up to be.


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  • #3847
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Griezmann & El Shaarawy would be the players I would sign if Sanchez doesn't come.


  • #3848
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Griezmann & El Shaarawy would be the players I would sign if Sanchez doesn't come.

    Di Maria for me. Rumours suggest he wants to leave Real.


  • #3849
    5live
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    slingerz wrote: »
    With the Suarez funds provided Sanchez doesn't come I'd like to see Liverpool bring in Lukaku as a striking option and then try for Javi Martinez for midfield
    Why buy Lukaku when we have bought a similar younger player with a better touch in Origi? Now i am only going by other reports and seeing him in one match but Origi looks like becoming the player many thought Lukaku could.
    Ferris_Bueller wrote: »
    I honestly don't care how much we get for Suarez once we sign adequate replacements. So far of all the names mentioned, I would only really be satisfied with Sanchez and possibly Shaqiri. I think I would rather even £25m plus Sanchez then to get £100m cash and for Sanchez to go to Arsenal, not that I think Sanchez is worth anywhere near £75m but I can't see who else we will sign to replace Suarez, realistically there are very few players who fit the profile. We could easily squander this money on potential, the price we paid for Lallana and the rumoured bid for Lovren of £20m suggest to me that we could very easily p*ss this money away without making a single world class signing, while both players I feel would do a good job if we were to only sign players of that calibre to replace Suarez then we would be in a weaker position than last season.
    Suarez wasn't a world class signing when we signed him. He was a tremendous prospect with a questionable temprament that thankfully worked out for us.
    Lallanas price is quoted as £16m plus add-ons, going by the reported £4m that Bournemouth received which is a fair price, imo, and not outrageous by any measure. The Lovren price quoted would be the same ie transfer fee plus total bonuses payable on reaching certain targets.
    I think we are all on the same page as regards the players purchased this season to progress the club. There is a possibility that we could overpay or buy a few duds but that possibility is always there.


  • #3850
    5live
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    Fescue wrote: »
    Di Maria for me. Rumours suggest he wants to leave Real.
    £40m is the figure being quoted. Not sure if he is worth that but i don't think any player is worth that:)


  • #3851
    El Inho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    Given recent history in transfers, I'm not concerned about what names get bandied about because as we've seen recently, the ITK aren't very in right now.

    I think there will be a certain relief when Suarez goes, accompanied with an anxiety that can only come from trying to replace a 30 goal a season striker. Some may call for Sturridge to stand in, but he is ideally going to remain as a heavy hitting auxiliary striker. I'm not playing down his importance at all, but we need another striker, as Borini simply can't be expected to make that step up and Lambert will hardly provide Suarez cover.

    We just need some big ass signings, but I'm not going to worry until I see Zaf touching someone useless.


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  • #3852
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    5live wrote: »
    £40m is the figure being quoted. Not sure if he is worth that but i don't think any player is worth that:)

    I think we need to move away from worrying about fees. Inflation is estimated at 30% this year due to the new tv deal. It could be even higher.


  • #3853
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Fescue wrote: »
    Di Maria for me. Rumours suggest he wants to leave Real.

    With due respect, it'd be very very difficult for a club in Liverpool's position to convince Di Maria or Sanchez that the best thing to so is join them. They're selling their only currently world class player ad replacing him with a bunch of guys from Southampton. Aside from that they've 3 or 4 young players with one good season behind them and a fairly shaky defence.

    The message to Di Maria or Sanchez would be that they have to carry the team while some of the young prospects turn into the real deal. You know, you don't want to go from Barca or Real to a 'project', if you get my meaning.

    It's exactly what happened at Arsenal and one after another Fabregas, RVP et al got sick of it and left for clubs where they'd be given the best players available to play with.


  • #3854
    Grayditch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    Expectations managed. But I think I hear Turdy getting out of bed.


  • #3855
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Grayditch wrote: »
    Expectations managed. But I think I hear Turdy getting out of bed.

    LOL, it is the same for Arsenal tbh. Bayern, Chelsea, City, Juve all more appealing for a top class player.


  • #3856
    Knex*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    Grayditch wrote: »
    Expectations managed. But I think I hear Turdy getting out of bed.

    ozil.jpg, incoming.


  • #3857
    joe123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭joe123


    El Inho wrote: »
    Given recent history in transfers, I'm not concerned about what names get bandied about because as we've seen recently, the ITK aren't very in right now.

    I think there will be a certain relief when Suarez goes, accompanied with an anxiety that can only come from trying to replace a 30 goal a season striker. Some may call for Sturridge to stand in, but he is ideally going to remain as a heavy hitting auxiliary striker. I'm not playing down his importance at all, but we need another striker, as Borini simply can't be expected to make that step up and Lambert will hardly provide Suarez cover.

    We just need some big ass signings, but I'm not going to worry until I see Zaf touching someone useless.

    :confused:


  • #3858
    livinginkorea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,438 ✭✭✭livinginkorea


    Hmm Neymar getting injured might come to our advantage.

    Hope we don't get too many players off the back of the World Cup - can be hit or miss. Would prefer proven top European league talent.

    Any chance Johnson will be sold off?


  • #3859
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    NukaCola wrote: »
    Also your view of the Dutch league is so disrespectful and ignorant it is almost funny.

    Goal scoring rate at Ajax after 4 seasons is 1 goal every 1.4 games.
    Goal scoring rate at Liverpool after 3 and a half seasons a goal every 1.6 games.

    I doubt any Barca fans will care about what Suarez has won but will be very very happy with the goals he has scored (260 goals from 441 games).
    Look, the Eredivisie is a sub-standard European League, simple as that. No disrespect needed. It's behind the English, German, French, Spanish, Italian leagues by some distance.

    Take one look at the top scorers who've got 30+ goals in a season Holland in the last decade.

    Kezman - Goal Machine for PSV. Career falls apart on leaving Holland.
    Alfonso Alves - Goal Machine for Heerenveen. Crap thereafter.
    Bas Dost - Strong signs his career is taking a similar swan dive.

    Only Bony and Huntelaar have slightly bucked that trend, but even in their cases it's hardly been a rip-roaring success since leaving the easy pickings in the Eredivisie.

    Suarez, clearly, is an exception.

    Incidentally, no Dutch team has even contested a European competition final in 12 years. Europa or Champions League.

    It's a poor league and one where it's possible to be very prolific. Very few have gone on to prove that in other major leagues upon leaving Holland. In fact, 9 out of the 10 last years the top scorer in Holland was sold in the summer after it. Kezman, Kuyt, Alves, Huntelaar, Suarez, Vleminck, Dost, Bony, Finbogasson. You could only make solid cases for Suarez and Kuyt having gone on to better things.

    As for Suarez, i'm sure Barca fans will be buzzing at the prospect of Messi, Neymar and Suarez playing together at some point this season to rival the 'BBC' trio of Real. But being a brilliant footballer is no guarantee he'll fit in or be a success at Barca. Both Zlatan and Alexis Sanchez have huge reputations and ability but both were shunted to the periphery by the basic fact everything goes through Messi.


  • #3860
    taidghbaby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    I would have Reus before any of the other options mentioned so far!


  • #3861
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    gosplan wrote: »
    With due respect, it'd be very very difficult for a club in Liverpool's position to convince Di Maria or Sanchez that the best thing to so is join them. They're selling their only currently world class player ad replacing him with a bunch of guys from Southampton. Aside from that they've 3 or 4 young players with one good season behind them and a fairly shaky defence.

    The message to Di Maria or Sanchez would be that they have to carry the team while some of the young prospects turn into the real deal. You know, you don't want to go from Barca or Real to a 'project', if you get my meaning.

    It's exactly what happened at Arsenal and one after another Fabregas, RVP et al got sick of it and left for clubs where they'd be given the best players available to play with.

    Well in Sanchez case he is a possibility for Arsenal and Liverpool because none of the big cash rich clubs seem interested in him. Which in itself says a lot.

    If Bayern, Chelsea, City have an interest in Di Maria then I expect him to go there. If not then I think Liverpool are as likely as any to get him.


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  • #3862
    djPSB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    From BookFace:

    'If Brendan Rodgers replaces Luis Suarez in the same manner he has replaced his wife, Liverpool will win the league!!'

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  • #3863
    djPSB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    Fescue wrote: »
    Di Maria for me. Rumours suggest he wants to leave Real.

    Better player than Ozil too.


  • #3864
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    djPSB wrote: »
    Better player than Ozil too.

    I think Ozil is a good player, really talented but he is typical of the type of player that Arsenal have bought in recent years. Technically great, mentally weak. Time and again when their mettle is tested they come up short.


  • #3865
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    Di maria and huntaleer would be great


  • #3866
    djPSB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    Fescue wrote: »
    I think Ozil is a good player, really talented but he is typical of the type of player that Arsenal have bought in recent years. Technically great, mentally weak. Time and again when their mettle is tested they come up short.

    Di Maria is the opposite though.

    Works hard, comes up with the important goals when needed. i.e. CL final, WC Quarter Final..


  • #3867
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    djPSB wrote: »
    Di Maria is the opposite though.

    Works hard, comes up with the important goals when needed. i.e. CL final, WC Quarter Final..

    That's exactly why I think he would be perfect for Liverpool.

    A players mentality is so important. That's perhaps the reason the club pushed so hard for Lallana.


  • #3868
    Alfred Borden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    djPSB wrote: »
    Di Maria is the opposite though.

    Works hard, comes up with the important goals when needed. i.e. CL final, WC Quarter Final..

    He hasnt scored in either of those games.


  • #3869
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    Raf32 wrote: »
    He hasnt scored in either of those games.

    Is that all a performance should be based on?


  • #3870
    Alfred Borden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    Fescue wrote: »
    Is that all a performance should be based on?

    he said scored, i just said he didnt. of course its not all about goals


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  • #3871
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    Raf32 wrote: »
    he said scored, i just said he didnt. of course its not all about goals

    He scored the winner against Switzerland which I'm sure the is game Djsb was referring to.


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