Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Pro. F wrote: »

It's funny how quickly you all forget RVP's poor play and Rooney's good play.

I find myself forgetting Young, Welbeck and Cleverley's good play too. Is it an English thing?

keane2097 wrote: »

Cool that you've figured out twitter is silly without using it while the other 250 million of us toil away like morans. I wish I was as smrt as you.

*Morons.

keane2097 wrote: »

Well it's either amnesia or a differing opinion, probs amnesia I suppose.

More like a bias or prejudice I'd say.

keane2097 wrote: »

Cool that you've figured out twitter is silly without using it while the other 250 million of us toil away like morans. I wish I was as smrt as you.

Like this Moran who told civil servants to ignore concerns about a property crash in 2007 because it wasn't trending on Twitter?

Zico wrote: »

Like this Moran who told civil servants to ignore concerns about a property crash in 2007 because it wasn't trending on Twitter?

That's a joke right?

TheDoc wrote: »

I think RVP's is somewhat less noticable and impactful, and probably frustrating as compared to Rooney.

When RVP is misfiring, its normally him making a meal of what should be goals scored. Although based of only what are the high standards he as set for himself.

Rooney in that deeper role is more of an issue when he is off song. His control is muck and it ends up in turnover of possesion, his passing goes wayward and leads to counter attacks on us, and he is the focul point for building our attacks at times, and when hes not doing it, we arn't attacking.

At worst when RVP is in bips, he's missing a few chances, embodied by the miss against Fulham and Arsenal and the CL game last season, where in a week if he scored three chances he should have, it would have been an entirely different outlook, and pressure wouldn't have heaped on Moyes so heavily and quickly.

In fairness I was pretty critical of RVP d

RVP was dire for the majority of last season as poor as Rooney was in Fergie's last year.

keane2097 wrote: »

It would be as easy to say you've been up Rooney hole as long as I can remember but I wouldn't use that to dismiss your opinion.

I think it can be justified to doubt the basis of someone's opinion if it seems crazy to you.

I have been up Rooney's hole for a long time. I've been right to be, he's a fantastic player. As is RVP. The only reason I've been talking up Rooney much more often is because he gets ridiculous abuse which RVP doesn't.

When people say things I don't agree with (like RVP has better control and passing than Rooney), then I just see it as a difference of opinion. I might argue it, but I would agree with your idea that difference's of opinion just happen. But when people say mad stuff like RVP's control and passing is miles better than Rooney's, or that Rooney's are bad, then I doubt their judgement. Since Rooney has never come across as a likeable character and since RVP has such an attractive style of play (with his arrow-like shots from all angles) then I think it's reasonable of me to suspect that lots of people watch games with incorrect preconceptions about the two players.

keane2097 wrote: »

EDIT: Don't mind me, needed a smoke

Ah it's only right that I get back what I dish out. No offence taken at all.

beno619 wrote: »

In all fairness thats not what were discussing, Rooney's control/first touch during his best periods at the club would still be behind RVP's, once upon a time it was excellent though.

I should have worded that better. I mean people forget their good and bad play in each game, not the periods of good and bad form over longer periods. Although some people do forget those as well.

TheDoc wrote: »

That's a joke right?

That's Derek Moran and the joke is that he's being promoted to general secretary of the Dep. of Finance.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/new-finance-chief-told-official-to-disregard-property-crash-fears-1.1854609

Blah blah blah Man Utd related gossip etc. blah blah blah

Move along there's nothing off topic to see here.

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

So what do we reckon lads, was this the worst United home shirt of the last two decades or so?

Yes!

Lord TSC wrote: »

Was he? He certainly missed time due to injury, but despite this nearly got as many goals as Rooney did. RVP, as an out and out striker, needs support from outfield, and if he was "dire", it was mainly down to the fact he didn't have the support system in place needed to score goals....and still managed to score plenty anyway.

I think he was behind Rooney and Welbeck in terms of performance levels, he was really poor,didn't contribute to general play couldn't hold up the ball, lots of winging and lashing out at the opposition in frustration. Goals he scored cover up just how poor he was.

beno619 wrote: »

didn't contribute to general play couldn't hold up the ball, lots of winging and lashing out at the opposition in frustration. Goals he scored cover up just how poor he was.

That sums up Rooney in the last 4 years.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Twitter updates are about as relevant as scratchings on the wall of a public loo. If you want to give credence to half formed vague utterings that hint at things without ever actually saying anything directly then more power to you, but when it comes to judging Rio Ferdinand I will stick to the important things.

Wtf are you on about? It was his account. He acted the bollix.

Trying to discredited itcause you don't like twitter is bollix.