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A Slow Journey to Faster Times

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    I remember brianderunner (when he was a runner;)) telling me that strides should be done at the end of the run
    and timing/measuring them is just too much hassle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Yeah there is not much point timing/measuring strides, strides should be the length between two telephone poles or from here to that tree etc. Effort can vary, but usually you build up speed, when you reach the max speed (whatever it is) you try to hold it for 50 metres or so and then cruise before easing off (that sounds more complicated that it actually is). Also, they should be done at the end of the run to recruit the fibers that were not used during the easy run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Tuesday 24th June - HADD 2400m Test

    I've used the results from the previous test to compare against, rather than the most recent one as I feel those were more reliable. There was a dead, heavy heat out there today despite the lack of sun, but I'm happy enough with the outcome. There is either minute improvement or slight disimprovement at all heart rates. I'm not at all disappointed as this tells me is that it's definitely time to move up a notch in my Steady sessions, which I suspected already.


    Results are below:

    2400m @ 120 bpm (Actual 121 bpm) - 9:10 min/mile average (previous: 8:57 @120)
    2400m @ 130 bpm (Actual 130 bpm) - 8:20 min/mile average (previous: 8:27 @129)
    2400m @ 140 bpm (Actual 139 bpm) - 7:47 min/mile average (previous: 7:37 @ 138)
    2400m @ 150 bpm (Actual 149 bpm) - 6:50 min/mile average (previous: 6:48 @ 149)
    2400m @ 160 bpm (Actual 160 bpm) - 6:16 min/mile average (previous: 6:08 @158)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    Hey yaboya, I would tend to look at tests like these as more of a rough guide to progress. There are too many factors that can affect your HR on the day of the test and it's almost impossible to recreate the same environment each time. You've got to factor in sleep, diet, weather, recent racing and training efforts, terrain, stress and nights on the booze ;) Just last week one of my easy runs for no reason recorded a HR rate of higher than normal and effort felt hard, no idea why but it was back to normal the day after.

    The best indicator of progress for me this year has been the effort I feel on easy runs and how that pace has steadily crept up over the course of the year, of course your race results down on paper are an obvious indicator too but feedback from the body is very important. You just need to look at your training log anyway to see how much you've improved this year, the tests can be useful I'm sure over time but at the same time if you don't see an improvement on the day of the test it can cause doubts to creep into your mind when in reality you've made significant gains. Anyway keep up the excellent training, you've got great things ahead of you if you keep this up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Wednesday 25th June - 60 minutes Easy
    7.07m @ 8:29/m average (124bpm avg)

    Dragged myself out of bed to get this in before work. Getting up wasn't easy after a night on the beer watching the football, but once I was out there the run felt pretty effortless.


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 9:05 (120bpm)
    Mile 2 - 8:20 (122bpm)
    Mile 3 - 8:28 (125bpm)
    Mile 4 - 8:24 (126bpm)
    Mile 5 - 8:27 (125bpm)
    Mile 6 - 8:22 (124bpm)
    Mile 7 - 8:19 (127bpm)
    0.07 - 0:36 (122bpm)

    I think Mile 2 perfectly illustrates jebuz's point (above). Yesterday at 121bpm, I was running at 9:10min/mile pace. This morning after a night on the beer, I was hitting 8:20min/mile at 122bpm. It took me 130bpm to hit that pace in the test! It was a bit cooler today but I think the point is still valid.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭Ferris B


    Are you running the 5m in the park?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Ferris B wrote: »
    Are you running the 5m in the park?

    No, I'm heading out on Friday night so will either get a few recovery miles in or a long run if I feel ok. Definitely won't be running that race.
    Strong possibility I'll do the beer mile though :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭Ferris B


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Strong possibility I'll do the beer mile though :)

    I reckon you could do some damage there with all the beer running sessions you've been doing. You'll certainly be a good bet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Ferris B wrote: »
    I reckon you could do some damage there with all the beer running sessions you've been doing. You'll certainly be a good bet.

    I seriously doubt that!!
    I can't run/drink anywhere near as fast as the favourites. I'll be happy to get around without incurring a penalty lap on my (beer) mile debut.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭statss


    what's the story man, will you be sticking to HADD through to your next marathon cycle, are you doing Dublin?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    statss wrote: »
    what's the story man, will you be sticking to HADD through to your next marathon cycle, are you doing Dublin?

    Think I'm going to go with ger664's advice. Continue with the HADD stuff until 6 weeks out and jump into the P&D 55-70 plan at the race preparation stage. I'm running in Berlin (13.5 weeks) & Dublin (17.5 weeks). Hoping to get a 150bpm Steady Session in before the end of this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Thursday 26th June - 75 minutes Steady (followed by 10 x 100m Strides)
    11m @ 6:52p/m average (150bpm avg)
    Strides: (17:82, 17:84, 18:62, 18:26, 18:38, 17:84, 18:38, 17:36, 18:29, 18:61)

    This was my first Steady session at 150bpm. I was going to leave it at 60 minutes if I was struggling, but yet again I felt better as the run progressed and decided to see out the full 75. You can see the pace starts to drop after the first four miles which proves there's plenty of work to be done here. Encouraging signs nonetheless and all before 7:30am :D
    I did the strides afterwards this time and although I was told not to bother timing them, I thought why change the habit of a lifetime?? :pac:


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 6:34 (147bpm)
    Mile 2 - 6:33 (151bpm)
    Mile 3 - 6:28 (153bpm)
    Mile 4 - 6:41 (152bpm)
    Mile 5 - 7:01 (152bpm)
    Mile 6 - 6:57 (151bpm)
    Mile 7 - 7:03 (151bpm)
    Mile 8 - 6:58 (151bpm)
    Mile 9 - 7:08 (151bpm)
    Mile 10 - 6:59 (150bpm)
    Mile 11 - 7:04 (151bpm)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Nice running at that hour Yaboya01 - you're really starting to motor along now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Thursday 26th June - 75 minutes Steady (followed by 10 x 100m Strides)
    11m @ 6:52p/m average (150bpm avg)
    Strides: (17:82, 17:84, 18:62, 18:26, 18:38, 17:84, 18:38, 17:36, 18:29, 18:61)

    This was my first Steady session at 150bpm. I was going to leave it at 60 minutes if I was struggling, but yet again I felt better as the run progressed and decided to see out the full 75. You can see the pace starts to drop after the first four miles which proves there's plenty of work to be done here. Encouraging signs nonetheless and all before 7:30am :D
    I did the strides afterwards this time and although I was told not to bother timing them, I thought why change the habit of a lifetime?? :pac:


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 6:34 (147bpm)
    Mile 2 - 6:33 (151bpm)
    Mile 3 - 6:28 (153bpm)
    Mile 4 - 6:41 (152bpm)
    Mile 5 - 7:01 (152bpm)
    Mile 6 - 6:57 (151bpm)
    Mile 7 - 7:03 (151bpm)
    Mile 8 - 6:58 (151bpm)
    Mile 9 - 7:08 (151bpm)
    Mile 10 - 6:59 (150bpm)
    Mile 11 - 7:04 (151bpm)

    Holy Sh*te, Batman.....I think I will have to stop following your log. I am not sure I can take reading about how you are knocking these sessions out day after day:p

    Great work, P. Keep it up.

    ..........IMHO, I think you have also done some great training on the beer front for the weekend ahead so a sneaky Northside win in the Beer Mile would not be beyond you;) Our hopes and dreams are with you. No pressure:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    FBOT01 wrote: »
    Holy Sh*te, Batman.....I think I will have to stop following your log. I am not sure I can take reading about how you are knocking these sessions out day after day:p

    Great work, P. Keep it up.

    ..........IMHO, I think you have also done some great training on the beer front for the weekend ahead so a sneaky Northside win in the Beer Mile would not be beyond you;) Our hopes and dreams are with you. No pressure:D

    Thanks for the support, but I'm really a Southsider living on the Northside :D
    I've drank and run before, but never at the same time. Would be very surprised if I was competitive but it's all about the taking part, right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Thanks for the support, but I'm really a Southsider living on the Northside :D
    I've drank and run before, but never at the same time. Would be very surprised if I was competitive but it's all about the taking part, right?

    Yeah right, taking part that's what it is all about!!!

    Jaysus I will have to check out the rest of the crew and see how DNS is represented. Actually, I think TBB is entered and he is the real deal born and breed. I will move my money to him so.......but if do you win we might claim you:P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭KielyUnusual


    FBOT01 wrote: »
    Yeah right, taking part that's what it is all about!!!

    Jaysus I will have to check out the rest of the crew and see how DNS is represented. Actually, I think TBB is entered and he is the real deal born and breed. I will move my money to him so.......but if do you win we might claim you:P

    ...but where does he live now? Was counting down the days until he could leave the place I reckon:P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Friday 27th June - 60 minutes Easy
    7.19m @ 8:21/m average (121bpm avg)

    A nice dawn jog in the sunshine. I've now run more than 80 miles in the past 8 days. Considering I was working long shifts on seven of those, I'm pretty proud of myself :)


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 8:32 (112bpm)
    Mile 2 - 8:20 (123bpm)
    Mile 3 - 8:14 (120bpm)
    Mile 4 - 8:01 (125bpm)
    Mile 5 - 8:23 (124bpm)
    Mile 6 - 8:32 (122bpm)
    Mile 7 - 8:24 (124bpm)
    0.19 - 1:38 (124bpm)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    ...but where does he live now? Was counting down the days until he could leave the place I reckon:P

    .....home is where the heart is or are you cheering for the Boys in Blue these days:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭KielyUnusual


    FBOT01 wrote: »
    .....home is where the heart is or are you cheering for the Boys in Blue these days:D:D

    Well yes, the boys I cheer wear mainly blue but its the line of gold across the chest that sets them apart from the rest. ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Saturday 28th June - 165 minutes Easy
    19.06m @ 8:40/m average (131bpm avg)

    Dragged myself out of bed after a late night to get this one in this morning. I've another late night ahead tonight, as well as a round of golf tomorrow afternoon, so I might have struggled to fit it around those if I put it off today. I kept the heart rate around 130 for most of the run, but it rose in miles 13 & 14 as I was working hard straight into the breeze along the beach. I felt the HRM slip in Mile 15, and although the heart rate was in the mid 130's there was no way it was hitting some if the numbers that were showing on the screen After that, I paid little attention the the HR and just made sure not to let the miles go above nine minutes. I'm happy with the workout. I'll have run over 100 miles in the past nine days once I complete in the beer mile later this evening :).


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 8:28 (119bpm)
    Mile 2 - 8:27 (127bpm)
    Mile 3 - 8:25 (126bpm)
    Mile 4 - 8:33 (128bpm)
    Mile 5 - 8:25 (128bpm)
    Mile 6 - 8:43 (127bpm)
    Mile 7 - 8:37 (129bpm)
    Mile 8 - 8:48 (129bpm)
    Mile 9 - 8:35 (128bpm)
    Mile 10 - 8:27 (130bpm)
    Mile 11 - 8:46 (129bpm)
    Mile 12 - 8:51 (131bpm)
    Mile 13 - 8:53 (132bpm)
    Mile 14 - 8:55 (139bpm)
    Mile 15 - 8:43 (136bpm)
    Mile 16 - 8:48 (137bpm)
    Mile 17 - 8:37 (140bpm)
    Mile 18 - 8:46 (142bpm)
    Mile 19 - 8:44 (144bpm)
    0.06 - 0:32 (142bpm)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭ger664


    Judging by your recent training and drinking sessions you could be a good EW bet for the beer mile this evening. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Itziger


    ger664 wrote: »
    Judging by your recent training and drinking sessions you could be a good EW bet for the beer mile this evening. :)

    After a 19 miler in the morning! Easy or not. Good running on a very different approach to mine. Will follow with interest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    ger664 wrote: »
    Judging by your recent training and drinking sessions you could be a good EW bet for the beer mile this evening. :)

    I appreciate your confidence in me, but I didn't expect to be competitive and was proved right in no uncertain terms!
    Itziger wrote: »
    After a 19 miler in the morning! Easy or not. Good running on a very different approach to mine. Will follow with interest.

    Yeah, the 19 miler wouldn't have helped, but I was never going to be challenging in this field anyway. I'll hopefully be back to try and improve next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Saturday 28th June (P.M.) - Irish Beer Mile Championship

    11:30 (11th place)

    My first time to take part in a national championship event :pac:


    Prelude

    I knew when I decided to run this race that I was going to be up against it. I had zero experience myself in this type of contest, and was in amongst a field of experienced beer milers who were way faster than me anyway. The result was inevitable and I was completely found out for what I was (a very, very average beer miler).


    Pre-Race

    I only bought my beers on the day of the race as I never got a chance to get to an off licence midweek. This led to me acquiring a stronger beer than required and one not ideally suited to beer miling. I ran my 19 mile LSR on Saturday morning which wasn't ideal preparation either. Going into the race I decided I'd be happy to complete without puking. Time was irrelevant. I wasn't going to push myself too hard either, as it was on this exact weekend last year that I tore a calf muscle when training for Chicago in similar circumstances (running too fast after a week of high mileage). That wasn't going to happen again! I would use tonight as a learning experience and hope to improve significantly on my result next year. I brought the Garmin and turned off the Auto-Lap with the intention of measuring the splits for each beer/lap. The problem was when the gun went off I completely forgot to start it and only remembered towards the end of the first lap when it was far too late.


    The Race

    Emer911 gave us the shout and we were off. Opened the first beer and downed it reasonably quickly. It was a tasty beer alright, but one that you should be enjoying for hours in a beer garden rather than chugging four of them in ten minutes. I set off with the rest of the field and the first lap wasn't too bad with the field relatively close together. Not too gassy and feeling ok. End of lap one and time for the second beer. This is where the old beer miling pros showed their experience. I took a fair while to get the second one down. The gassy/bloaty feeling in your stomach when you're chugging just can't be described (or seen on camera). Really slows you down. I guess this is where all the training pays off, as the guys who'd been practicing had all set off again well ahead of me. I was given a split of 2:12 when I finally got going for lap two, which I didn't think was too bad considering it was my debut. It was to get much tougher after this. I have no idea how long I was taking to run the laps, but I was afraid to speed up for fear of making myself sick. The whole duration of the loop was spent trying to dispose of the gas in my stomach from both ends. It's quite a skill to master, especially when you're trying to go as fast as you can :pac:. Halfway through now and this is where the beer started to taste really bad. I felt like I took forever to swallow the third can. TRR, dublin runner and Krusty all came and went onto their last lap while I was struggling with this one. I was given a split of 6:xx when I eventually took off and could see TRR was motoring to a second successive victory, having put in a huge spurt down the back straight. DogSlySmile & KU lapped me here as well and I got to watch their duel for 4th from behind, although I couldn't see who got the verdict from my viewpoint. I followed them down the straight at a far slower pace and prepared to drink the most disgusting can of my life. You can hear Emer laughing on the video as she says I look like I'm enjoying it, while having to witness my contorting facial expressions. Got the last bit of froth down my throat and headed out on my final lap. I knew I would achieve my goal now once I didn't push too hard. Menoscemo was too far ahead to catch for 10th and Chickenballs too far behind to catch me, so I ran along at a safe enough pace to make sure the beer stayed in my stomach. When I finally crossed the line I thought I'd run 10:30 (which I was delighted with), until Meno cruelly informed me that there was no way I ran that time as he had been over 11 minutes. Obviously he was right (as he always is) and 11:30 was my officially ratified IAAF time :D. I'm happy enough with that for my debut (it just looked terrible in such a high class field) and hope to learn a few lessons from it so I can improve next year.


    Verdict

    I ran this because it looked like so much fun from last year's video. We got much kinder weather tonight and the whole night was very enjoyable, although the beers afterwards tasted far nicer than the one's during the race. Some of the times there are seriously impressive. It's only when you attempt this event yourself that you truly appreciate how good the guys at the top end of the field actually are. I'll definitely be back next year, but won't make the mistake of failing to prepare properly again. I think my long range target will be to at least break ten minutes.


    Sunday 29th June - Rest

    Had a lie-in and played golf in the afternoon. Nice way to get over the previous day's exertions, especially in the gorgeous weather we're having at the moment.


    Monday 30th June - 45 minutes Recovery
    5.16m @ 8:43/m average (118bpm avg)

    A pretty effortless run to loosen out the legs ahead of my Steady session tomorrow. The legs felt incredibly fresh and I barely broke sweat. Amazing what a day off and a couple of lie-ins can do for you!
    I don't have the splits as I turned off the Auto-Lap the other night and forgot to switch it back on before I went out tonight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Great race and great report. You really gave a feeling for what it must be like to experience running this race. Well done for not puking. No mean feat. Can't believe nobody did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭dublin runner


    I just lobbed your time time into the McMillan Calculator there. The result? 2.54.59 :)

    You are sorted. Must meet up for a run sometime. Keep up the excellent work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    I just lobbed your time time into the McMillan Calculator there. The result? 2.54.59 :)

    You are sorted. Must meet up for a run sometime. Keep up the excellent work.

    You must have the advanced version. I can't find 'beer mile' on my website :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Tuesday 1st July - 75 minutes Steady (followed by 10 x 100m Strides)
    10.5m @ 7:08p/m average (150bpm avg)
    Strides: (20:62, 18:48, 19:44, 19:14, 19:04, 23:92, 17:90, 20:13, 21:37, 20:38)

    Ok, firstly I think this is the last time I'll bother recording the time of the strides (as I've already been advised). For different reasons I was forced to pull up early (motor/human traffic) on a number of them and I suppose it doesn't really matter if they're 60/90/100/120m long.
    I originally intended to do this run very early this morning or late this evening to avoid the sun/heat, but because I was enjoying my sleep and really don't want to miss any of the football/tennis later I opted to go out and get it over with around 10am. This type of training is designed to get you accustomed to running at certain heart rates, so I suppose it doesn't really matter anyway as the splits are less important than the effort. They ended up being slower than I would have liked but you can see the effect the sun had as I ran my first mile at 6:30 (142bpm) in the shade, yet was as slow as 7:29 (151bpm) towards the end. It's another session at the required HR in the bank and one positive I'm taking from it is how slow the seven minute miles seemed. Considering my MP is not likely to be a whole lot faster than that, it was quite a nice feeling.


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 6:30 (142bpm)
    Mile 2 - 6:44 (152bpm)
    Mile 3 - 7:03 (152bpm)
    Mile 4 - 7:03 (151bpm)
    Mile 5 - 7:02 (151bpm)
    Mile 6 - 7:17 (151bpm)
    Mile 7 - 7:17 (150bpm)
    Mile 8 - 7:23 (153bpm)
    Mile 9 - 7:28 (149bpm)
    Mile 10 - 7:20 (151bpm)
    0.5 - 3:49 (152bpm)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Wednesday 2nd July - 60 minutes Easy
    7m @ 8:34/m average (119bpm avg)

    Some easy early morning miles before work. The whole body was sore yesterday evening and I hoped that would disappear after the run today, but the muscles still feel pretty weak and the back is a bit sore too. I might take tomorrow off if I haven't fully recovered by then.


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 8:38 (111bpm)
    Mile 2 - 8:26 (118bpm)
    Mile 3 - 8:28 (119bpm)
    Mile 4 - 8:40 (122bpm)
    Mile 5 - 8:36 (122bpm)
    Mile 6 - 8:34 (124bpm)
    Mile 7 - 8:34 (124bpm)


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