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Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 *mod warning linked in OP 26/07*

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  • #842
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    K-9 wrote: »
    The problem long term here lads is the risk has gone up substantially. If something happens again, and come on its Suarez, the club are looking at a 6 month ban minimum, a season very possible. So while he'll probably score 20 plus goals anyway, the risk has just increased massively, despite the club obviously working hard with him on his behaviour.

    He is closer to a lifetime ban than 6 month or year imo if there is another serious incident.

    He is a massive liability now and I'm sure insuring the fella will be a more expensive procedure than normal.


  • #843
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,701 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    I hope the club come out and support him, blame the English media etch nd FIFA etc, help build that siege mentality and through that, strengthen his loyalty to the club.

    The lad is a nut job, and fully deserving of the ban he got. However, even banned for ten games a season, he'll still contribute more than any other player the club could hope to attract. His value will have diminished on the back of this incident, so selling would be daft.

    I'd also speculate that while his actions won't help his marketability, the eyes of the world will be on him next season, and increased tv audiences do drive revenues.

    People talk about the reputation of the club etc, but the real damage in that regard was done with the Evra incident. That made him look nasty as oppose to just crazy, and nasty will damage reputations far more then 'crazy'.

    Blame fifa? A siege mentality? Would you listen to yourself. Not one single player is bigger than this club you would do well to remember that.

    They should public condemn him and then sort it out behind close doors wet her that is helping him or moving him on.


  • #844
    Kess73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Agueroooo wrote: »
    I read about the administration ban and I am putting it down to another oversight by FIFA.

    Don't forget they had to go off and consult about the possibility of making transfers during the ban before giving a definitive answer.

    but again this is FIFA we are on about.


    It caught my eye because it could potentially open an avenue for another problem for Liverpool FC. Now maybe they have gone into more detail on what exactly the administrative ban means and have allowed for things like player registration in multi country competitions like the CL, but my worry would by that it is left vague enough to cause further complications down the line.


  • #845
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Agueroooo wrote: »
    YNWA and all that yes, but I really hope the club don't do the above.

    I hope we support him in that we get our top brass to do their best to reduce the impact and reduce the PL ban, and get him all the help/theraphy he needs...that's about as much I would do for him.
    No big public displays of support, no siege mentality, or to be seen to be circling the wagons.


    Does everyone deserve a 4th chance?

    It's not about deserving a second/third/fourth chance. Its about what's best for the club on the pitch


  • #846
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Administration seems a weird thing to say, if it doesn't cover transfers. I'd have thought Liverpool could register him for CL, he'll miss 3 games so its their call. Had to laugh at it not affecting a transfer, Fifa getting their priorities right!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #847
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Kess73 wrote: »

    Do not want the club trying for a siege mentality thing though. Low profile and get him whatever help he needs (again) would be my approach. I

    A siege mentality isn't ideal, but I'm thinking in terms of keeping him at Liverpool


  • #848
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,682 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    this is all actually Hodgson's fault.

    if he wasn't so fúcking shíte, Uruguay would've lost agsinst England, Uruguay would've had nothing to play for and Suarez wouldn't have lost it out of frustration.

    yup, Roy's fault.

    poor Luis.


  • #849
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    It's not about deserving a second/third/fourth chance. Its about what's best for the club on the pitch

    Sorry man that was my point.

    The club has done it's bit and will continue to do so, but it needs to be behind closed doors and really no public displays of defiance etc

    I hate to get all corny when I reference that it really is all about the crest on the front and not the name on the back when it comes to Luis Suarez from here on in.


  • #850
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    reports this evening that shaquiri deal is close. 95000 pounds a week, 5 year deal.


  • #851
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    SlickRic wrote: »
    this is all actually Hodgson's fault.

    if he wasn't so fúcking shíte, Uruguay would've lost agsinst England, Uruguay would've had nothing to play for and Suarez wouldn't have lost it out of frustration.

    yup, Roy's fault.

    poor Luis.

    You know one of them are going to take this seriously, right?? And punch you in the head for hours.


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  • #852
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    SlickRic wrote: »
    this is all actually Hodgson's fault.

    if he wasn't so fúcking shíte, Uruguay would've lost agsinst England, Uruguay would've had nothing to play for and Suarez wouldn't have lost it out of frustration.

    yup, Roy's fault.

    poor Luis.

    Comolli for me ;)


  • #853
    Nuri Sahin
    Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    Shaqiri is going to be new Erikson, is it?


  • #854
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    rob316 wrote: »
    Blame fifa? A siege mentality? Would you listen to yourself. Not one single player is bigger than this club you would do well to remember that.

    They should public condemn him and then sort it out behind close doors wet her that is helping him or moving him on.

    It worked for Ferguson at United, so I dont think it all that outrageous. As I said, fully deserving of the ban, but if defending him helps keep him at anfield, I don't see why not go for the aul faux outrage option.

    There's no chance of getting a replacement for Suarez who's even near as effective.

    "there's no one player bigger then the club" thing is bull. It's an outdated cliche. Criminal acts aside, if a players value to the club is greater then another club are willing to pay for him, he'll always stay.


  • #855
    kevohmsford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭kevohmsford


    Shaqiri would be a great signing. Fingers crossed.


  • #856
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Shaqiri, Sanchez, Lovern and LB add in Lallana which will probably happen and it would be quite a good transfer window.


  • #857
    Utopia Parkway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,024 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Shaqiri, Sanchez, Lovern and LB add in Lallana which will probably happen and it would be quite a good transfer window.

    No way we sign Sanchez, Shaqiri and Lallana. Maybe get two of them but could easily be only one.


  • #858
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,700 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Feel sorry for Gerrard and the lads - Suarez knocks them out of the world cup with his brilliance, then ensures his brilliance can't help them at club level for quarter of the season.


  • #859
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    The club defended him through thick and thin, and I'm sure they will again, and seek more help for him. Lfc have given him plenty of chances and didn't get much thanks last Summer.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #860
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,700 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Utopia Parkway wrote: »
    No way we sign Sanchez, Shaqiri and Lallana. Maybe get two of them but could easily be only one.

    Would be over the moon with just Sanchez and Shaqiri - one established, experienced first teamer, and one guy with plenty of ability already, and plenty of potential. Would leave our attacking positions in amazingly good shape.

    Would still like an animal of a midfielder - I don't know enough about Can to know if that's what he could do.

    Sort out the fullbacks, add a CB and we're sorted.

    That's obviously a lot though..


  • #861
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    K-9 wrote: »
    The club defended him through thick and thin, and I'm sure they will again, and seek more help for him. Lfc have given him plenty of chances and didn't get much thanks last Summer.


    Maybe that's the problem, if the club hadn't defended him so vigorously through his awful behaviour perhaps he would have considered not doing it.


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  • #862
    ~Rebel~
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    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Maybe that's the problem, if the club hadn't defended him so vigorously through his awful behaviour perhaps he would have considered not doing it.

    That doesn't make sense to me. I mean, if he were 6 it might make sense, but in this case it doesn't. Two lengthy bans thus far is quite enough for him to know it's a bad idea.

    You say "perhaps he would have considered not doing it", but that's the issue I think - there's no consideration involved. It's just a crazy instinct he seems to have in moments of extreme frustration, and acts upon before he can stop himself.

    It's of course something the player needs to deal with, finding the root of this reaction, and a way to control it.


  • #863
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,215 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Better to sell him now before the next incident - and there will be one. When that happens we will be talking a season out at least and he will have very little value.

    A great player with no moral compass whatsoever.


  • #864
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    That doesn't make sense to me. I mean, if he were 6 it might make sense, but in this case it doesn't. Two lengthy bans thus far is quite enough for him to know it's a bad idea.

    You say "perhaps he would have considered not doing it", but that's the issue I think - there's no consideration involved. It's just a crazy instinct he seems to have in moments of extreme frustration, and acts upon before he can stop himself.

    It's of course something the player needs to deal with, finding the root of this reaction, and a way to control it.


    The instinct is probably brought about having a sense of being wronged in the past even though he was himself in the wrong.

    When you get in trouble for doing something terrible, then people come out wearing t-shirts with your name and face on them, trumpeting about how you did nothing wrong, how are you going to feel about your actions?


  • #865
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    If you can still get the €80 million for Suarez then take it and use it to get someone like Falcao who doesn't have the issues Suarez has, and you still have money for someone like Sanchez, though I would like him at United.
    He has put Liverpool in a bad situation, who end up paying for his actions. If you could get a fit Falcao, and lots of dosh for Suarez, then you would have a world class striker without the concern something crazy could happen again when least expected.
    It is unfair on the fans of both club and country what he did. I would keep Suarez if I knew he wouldn't do it again and if it could be treated, but I think most people would have believed he wouldn't have done it again, and that is the problem.


  • #866
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Better to sell him now before the next incident - and there will be one. When that happens we will be talking a season out at least and he will have very little value.

    A great player with no moral compass whatsoever.

    the man needs help and support and im sure rodgers and lfc will provide this as they did last season. hopefully at he very least he is allowed train with the squad if the ban is somehow reduced


  • #867
    [Deleted User]
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    I hope we keep him and he ram it down the haters throats again like last season.


  • #868
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    I hope we keep him and he ram it down the haters throats again like last season.

    Most sensible people admire and recognise his talent, the only hate is for his behaviour.


  • #869
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Sanchez, Shaqiri, new LB, CB and a CM to sort midfield, probably talking 100 million there lads, with maybe 20 in. Transfer spend is guess work but unless Suarez is going thats serious money.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #870
    Washington Irving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,066 ✭✭✭Washington Irving


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Most sensible people admire and recognise his talent, the only hate is for his behaviour.

    Sensible people are a rare breed among partisan football fans.


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  • #871
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,700 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    The instinct is probably brought about having a sense of being wronged in the past even though he was himself in the wrong.

    When you get in trouble for doing something terrible, then people come out wearing t-shirts with your name and face on them, trumpeting about how you did nothing wrong, how are you going to feel about your actions?

    You seem to only be talking about the racism issue - for the biting issue, everybody involved admitted it was wrong. There were no t-shirts. There were no appeals. There were only comments from the club that they would try to help the player, who himself also heartily admitted he was wrong, and apologized to Ivanovic.

    The previous time he did it, he never played for the club again.

    So again, there clearly is absolutely no doubt the player is aware this is a bad thing to do. He's not still doing it because he's feeling "wronged". He's doing it because he's a nutbar, with nutbar instincts.


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