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A Slow Journey to Faster Times

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭SamforMayo


    Wow that was some race, fair play to you for not giving up, that pb was well earned, I would say the heat/ humidity was a big factor. That 1.23 is there for you no doubt about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    RedRunner wrote: »
    Nice report. To be honest I was a bit surprised when I read on your log before about a heavy drinking session a week before a race. For someone who had been taking his training so seriously and seeing great results I just thought this was a bit odd. I know it takes me several days to recover from nights out like that these days. (Getting old!)
    I would be fairly certain this had some impact on your performance so with better preparation I'm sure that you can take more off that time.

    I'm not Knockin going out for a few drinks either god knows we all need a blow out from time to time but I'd say just be careful on the timing of those. Well done though on a great race. I'd be happy with that pace in a 5k!

    You're right, but let me explain. A good friend of mine was having a few drinks to celebrate the recent birth of his twins that night. I've always done my best not to let my running get in the way of my life and there was no way I could miss this for the sake of a race in a weeks time. However, I could have been much more disciplined and left at midnight rather than at 3am with a curry for company on the way home! It definitely takes me a few days to shake out the effects of such a night too, which is why I've done nothing yesterday or today. I'll try my best to control my consumption in the future as I already know that I've got two golf functions the weekend before Fingal and a wedding two weeks before Berlin. I can't do anything about the timing of those events, but I can control how much alcohol I consume.

    I appreciate the constructive criticism ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭RedRunner


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    You're right, but let me explain. A good friend of mine was having a few drinks to celebrate the recent birth of his twins that night. I've always done my best not to let my running get in the way of my life and there was no way I could miss this for the sake of a race in a weeks time. However, I could have been much more disciplined and left at midnight rather than at 3am with a curry for company on the way home! It definitely takes me a few days to shake out the effects of such a night too, which is why I've done nothing yesterday or today. I'll try my best to control my consumption in the future as I already know that I've got two golf functions the weekend before Fingal and a wedding two weeks before Berlin. I can't do anything about the timing of those events, but I can control how much alcohol I consume.

    I appreciate the constructive criticism ;)

    And so you should I suppose. We'll be a long time dead and all that. Didn't want to come across all wagging the finger like, so apols if it looked like that. You're right to try and balance the two and sometimes we've no control over the timing of events so totally accept what you're saying there.

    I wouldn't be the most disciplined myself at the best of times!;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    RedRunner wrote: »
    And so you should I suppose. We'll be a long time dead and all that. Didn't want to come across all wagging the finger like, so apols if it looked like that. You're right to try and balance the two and sometimes we've no control over the timing of events so totally accept what you're saying there.

    I wouldn't be the most disciplined myself at the best of times!;)

    No, I didn't take it that way at all.
    I know my preparation in the past week wasn't ideal and I'd prefer to be called on it than people walking on eggshells etc.

    TbL told me he packed in the McMillan coach for the same reason. Being told he was super & doing great when he performed below his own expectations. I'm all for congratulations and praise, but sometimes you also need to be told off when you've done something wrong. Learn from your mistakes and all that :).

    e.g. I'm pretty sure if I'd had a log here when training for Chicago last year that I wouldn't have got injured. I would have been advised/told not to run on my sore achilles and the need to explain myself/answer here for my own stupidity when I did may have been enough to stop me heading out the door at that time. It's kind of the reason I started a log. Keep the advice/criticism coming. It's probably more important than any praise or congratulations (although I do really appreciate the positive feedback too). Thanks all :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭SamforMayo


    Ye should read my log, I have been fierce disciplined for the last month!!!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    SamforMayo wrote: »
    Ye should read my log, I have been fierce disciplined for the last month!!!!!

    I have been reading. GAA dinner dances? They must take more out your legs than the average night on the beer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭SamforMayo


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    I have been reading. GAA dinner dances? They must take more out your legs than the average night on the beer?

    Oh yes you need a lot of stamina for all these social outings I have been having. Next up is a fundraiser for a new school hall on Friday night which of course I will have to go to, follow by a couple of weeks hols in the sun!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Official result finally in from Portumna:

    6th place in 1:24:10 (75 second PB)


    Splits

    1.1km - 3:51
    6.1km - 19:58
    11.1km - 19:57
    16.1km - 20:18
    21.1km - 20:05

    Pretty even, so can't really complain about my pacing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Well done Yaboya1, great to see the progression continuing here. That's a fantastic time and yet another PB in the bag !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Excellant result again yaboya1, regarding the alcohol, i'm open to correction on this but i think it was TRR who abstained from the hooch during his training cycle for London and reaped the rewards from doing so.

    But everybody is different when it comes to alcohol and running, Gavlor could drink ten pints and run a sub 80 mins half the following day!! I know myself it affects me and is the one thing that causes me to gain weight. If you think it affects your training and performance knock it on the head for a while and see if it helps you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭ger664


    Well done on the PB.While the course is flat it can be congested and the turnaround hurts you in the shorter distances. Its a great social race which is why it suits the ultra heads better. Your prep wasn't ideal, I don't think it was totally to blame but it did have an impact. Learn the lesson and move onwards and upwards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    thats super running - very well done. again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    That type of race with laps etc would wreck my bulb. As has already been said you are making huge strides so don't be too disheartened by missing your target, it'll come sooner rather than later.

    On a side note, there are WAY too many Alcoholics Anonymous sponsors hanging around these parts over the last couple of days! It's only a race, there'll be many many more. Live first, run second.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,779 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Gavlor wrote: »
    On a side note, there are WAY too many Alcoholics Anonymous sponsors hanging around these parts over the last couple of days! It's only a race, there'll be many many more. Live first, run second.

    Ha ha. It never pays to mention the drink around here!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Monday 16th June - 60 minutes Easy
    7m @ 8:39/m average (125bpm avg)

    I've taken two full days off since the race on Saturday and didn't really feel like going out for this tonight if I'm honest. I watched the football when I got home from work and decided to fit it in between the final two games assuming I'd feel better when I was done. To summarise, I felt awful beforehand, awful throughout and awful when I finished. Maybe I should have just taken the night off?


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 8:36 (122bpm)
    Mile 2 - 8:57 (127bpm)
    Mile 3 - 8:32 (125bpm)
    Mile 4 - 8:57 (127bpm)
    Mile 5 - 8:09 (126bpm)
    Mile 6 - 8:34 (125bpm)
    Mile 7 - 8:44 (125bpm)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭RedRunner


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Maybe I should have just taken the night off?


    Should have had a couple of beers!:pac:;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Thursday 19th June - 75 minutes Steady (preceded by 10 x 100m Strides)
    10m @ 7:37p/m average (145bpm avg)
    Strides: (16:88, 18:13, 17:28, 20:24, 17:14, 17:89, 18:62, 19:76, 18:42, 17:65)

    I really struggled with this run in the early stages, moving almost a minute per mile slower than last Saturday which suggests I still haven't fully recovered from that race. It really did knock the stuffing out of me! However I felt stronger towards the end which is encouraging. In the current conditions, I'm more worried about a consistent effort than identical splits and seemed to achieve that. It was beginning to get really warm running along the coast but then Ferris B came hurtling towards me in the opposite direction creating a cooling breeze for a few seconds. Thanks Ferris :D


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 7:28 (143bpm)
    Mile 2 - 7:16 (146bpm)
    Mile 3 - 7:30 (146bpm)
    Mile 4 - 7:21 (146bpm)
    Mile 5 - 7:36 (146bpm)
    Mile 6 - 7:50 (146bpm)
    Mile 7 - 7:43 (145bpm)
    Mile 8 - 7:42 (146bpm)
    Mile 9 - 7:50 (147bpm)
    Mile 10 - 7:50 (146bpm)

    Hoping to get some easy miles in tomorrow & Saturday before attempting another Steady session on Sunday. If I still don't feel 100% though, I'll just do a long run instead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭Ferris B


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Thursday 19th June - 75 minutes Steady (preceded by 10 x 100m Strides)
    10m @ 7:37p/m average (145bpm avg)
    Strides: (16:88, 18:13, 17:28, 20:24, 17:14, 17:89, 18:62, 19:76, 18:42, 17:65)

    I really struggled with this run in the early stages, moving almost a minute per mile slower than last Saturday which suggests I still haven't fully recovered from that race. It really did knock the stuffing out of me! However I felt stronger towards the end which is encouraging. In the current conditions, I'm more worried about a consistent effort than identical splits and seemed to achieve that. It was beginning to get really warm running along the coast but then Ferris B came hurtling towards me in the opposite direction creating a cooling breeze for a few seconds. Thanks Ferris :D

    The agonised look on my face possibly suggested hurtling....actual pace was a paltry 8:45 :o. It was a struggle for me at that pace today so savage session by you. Apologies for the delayed hello...aul man eyesight etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Friday 20th June - 150 minutes Easy
    17.38m @ 8:38/m average (130bpm avg)

    As mentioned in my last two posts I felt awful during my recovery run on Tuesday before gradually feeling stronger during my Steady run yesterday, which was a bit odd as you expect the opposite given the conditions. Anyway the gradual improvement in my well being continued and I felt great before going out for my easy run tonight. So much so that I decided to make it my Long Run for this week. The plan was to run at 130bpm or below for two and a half hours. Even though I didn't head out until after 7pm, it was still pretty warm. I didn't bring or take on any hydration throughout and my HR started to rise in the final third of the run. Rather than slowing to stay below 130bpm, I decided to ensure that I kept the remaining miles below nine minutes regardless of the heart rate. Probably not exactly what I was meant to do, but I'm happy with the workout.


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 8:17 (124bpm)
    Mile 2 - 8:26 (127bpm)
    Mile 3 - 8:25 (127bpm)
    Mile 4 - 8:27 (127bpm)
    Mile 5 - 8:33 (127bpm)
    Mile 6 - 8:28 (128bpm)
    Mile 7 - 8:29 (128bpm)
    Mile 8 - 8:31 (128bpm)
    Mile 9 - 8:35 (129bpm)
    Mile 10 - 8:39 (128bpm)
    Mile 11 - 8:39 (130bpm)
    Mile 12 - 8:55 (132bpm)
    Mile 13 - 8:58 (131bpm)
    Mile 14 - 8:59 (132bpm)
    Mile 15 - 8:53 (135bpm)
    Mile 16 - 8:48 (137bpm)
    Mile 17 - 8:43 (142bpm)
    0.38 - 3:19 (144bpm)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,779 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    That looks like a good long run to be sure. Can I ask why it may be a good thing to not take on water? Apologies if you've discussed this elsewhere.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Murph_D wrote: »
    That looks like a good long run to be sure. Can I ask why it may be a good thing to not take on water? Apologies if you've discussed this elsewhere.

    It's probably not a good thing. I just hate carrying anything and forgot to bring a couple of euros to nip into the shop.
    In saying that I like the idea of letting myself run on empty, as I think it may train my body to be as efficient as possible with carbs/water. Something along the lines of what jebuz was saying in his log about replenishing carbs afterwards. The same probably doesn't apply to water, but it didn't do me any harm :-P.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Saturday 21st June - 60 minutes Easy
    7m @ 9:02/m average (123bpm avg)

    A glorified recovery run that I extended to an hour because I was feeling so fantastic :). I expected some stiffness & soreness after yesterday's late evening long run, but none was evident and I'm pretty sure I'm going to give the Steady state session another go tomorrow night. Was in such a good mood towards the end of the run on this beautiful morning that I threw in a few TRR/Claralara style windmills. I may use this celebration if I break three hours in Berlin :D.


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 8:54 (118bpm)
    Mile 2 - 8:53 (122bpm)
    Mile 3 - 9:02 (123bpm)
    Mile 4 - 9:18 (124bpm)
    Mile 5 - 9:09 (124bpm)
    Mile 6 - 9:02 (127bpm)
    Mile 7 - 8:53 (127bpm)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Sunday 22nd June - 75 minutes Steady (preceded by 10 x 100m Strides)
    11m @ 7:22p/m average (145bpm avg)
    Strides: (18:93, 22:34, 18:40, 19:17, 18:87, 18:57, 17:83, 17:89, 18:03, 17:21)

    I'm very happy with this session. The soreness/stiffness I was expecting in the muscles yesterday from Friday's long run was evident today, but I did a bit of stretching before I went out and got on with it. I was very comfortable for the entire run and if I'm honest, felt stronger & stronger as the time (and miles) went by. I added on a few minutes at the end to squeeze in an eleventh mile. The average pace was consistent early on and only began to slow when I hit a headwind/incline. I sped back up when I turned around and had those factors in my favour. Felt like I could have picked up the pace and run all day by the time I finished. Made a fool of myself mid-run frantically waving at some guy who I thought was Murph_D. When I realised it wasn't him, I felt a bit embarrassed but thought the least the guy could do was wave back. Still I'm used to being blanked by now. I reckon my response rate to waves/nods/hello's is about 1/20 :pac:


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 7:22 (142bpm)
    Mile 2 - 7:15 (146bpm)
    Mile 3 - 7:17 (146bpm)
    Mile 4 - 7:16 (146bpm)
    Mile 5 - 7:26 (145bpm)
    Mile 6 - 7:31 (145bpm)
    Mile 7 - 7:28 (146bpm)
    Mile 8 - 7:35 (146bpm)
    Mile 9 - 7:28 (146bpm)
    Mile 10 - 7:03 (146bpm)
    Mile 11 - 7:19 (146bpm)


    Just a few observations/things to note:

    - The first mile split is wrong. The exact same thing happened on Thursday in the exact same place when I used a similar route. The Garmin was showing 7:15 lap pace and shot up ten seconds in the space of a few yards. It doesn't really matter as it wouldn't have affected the overall average anyway.

    - I don't know what's going on with the second stride. It didn't feel that different to the rest of them and definitely not four seconds slower. I can only assume that's incorrect too.

    - Speaking of strides, I'm wondering if I'd be better off leaving these until after the session. I'm sure I read somewhere that they were to be done beforehand, but I don't see the difference and feel it just gets my heart beating quicker before I start the run, meaning I need to allow a few minutes for the HR to come back down before I can get stuck into the Steady pace.

    - I've now completed a fair few sessions at this heart rate. Most of them have been at a very consistent pace (although that has varied depending on conditions) and I think it's time to move up to 150bpm. Today I felt like I could have run ten miles further at a quicker pace. My HR wasn't rising towards the end even though the pace was quickening and I'd been running for 80 minutes.

    - Since I made a complete hash of my last 2400m test, I think I will give it another go on Tuesday. I won't be drinking before then and should have a couple of decent night's sleep under my belt too. I'll throw in a few recovery miles tomorrow to shake out the legs which should have me as fresh as possible.

    I'd be interested to hear any thoughts/observations/opinions/advice that anybody has in relation to any of this stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Can't proffer any advice P, buts that's a tasty looking session

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Nice session there Yaboya1 - I believe I am the 1 in 20 that returns nods, waves, grunts :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Duanington wrote: »
    Nice session there Yaboya1 - I believe I am the 1 in 20 that returns nods, waves, grunts :cool:

    Did you see me out there tonight?
    I still don't know what you look like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Did you see me out there tonight?
    I still don't know what you look like.

    Didn't see you Yaboya1, I was out a little earlier than you I'd say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Monday 23rd June - 60 minutes Easy
    7m @ 8:50/m average (121bpm avg)

    A carefree run on a beautiful morning. The battery in the Garmin went after 47 minutes, so I've just assumed I would have continued the sixth mile as I started and used the average split/HR for the last one.


    Splits:

    Mile 1 - 8:50 (117bpm)
    Mile 2 - 8:45 (125bpm)
    Mile 3 - 8:48 (122bpm)
    Mile 4 - 8:54 (121bpm)
    Mile 5 - 8:48 (123bpm)
    Mile 6 - 8:58 (124bpm)
    Mile 7 - 8:50 (121bpm)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,779 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Made a fool of myself mid-run frantically waving at some guy who I thought was Murph_D. When I realised it wasn't him, I felt a bit embarrassed but thought the least the guy could do was wave back. Still I'm used to being blanked by now. I reckon my response rate to waves/nods/hello's is about 1/20 :pac:

    I ran in the Park yesterday so you're right, it definitely wasn't me - but thanks for the wave anyway. Like Duanington, I would have waved back!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭dublin runner


    Personally, I wouldn't be overly concerned about recording the distance of strides. For me, strides should all be about effort (5k effrot, 10k effort etc) If I were to do 10 strides I would simply use the stopwatch and run between 20-30 seconds, focusing purely on effort.


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