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12-06-2014 10:03AM

greendom wrote: »

does anyone know of any bookies who pay-out on each way bets if teams reach the semis. Paddy Power only pay out if they reach the final.

Nope if you bet before 9 tonight you can get any team even reaching the last 16 on PP. Its on the world cup specials page.

Nuri Sahin · 12-06-2014 10:14AM

glued wrote: »

Why is that? I know you follow German football so maybe you can explain why they don't like Low?

Loew doesn't seem to know what his best team is, still(!), constantly tinkering with the line up, trying all sorts of line ups and formations, but yet despite that, the team lacks a Plan B when out on the pitch in terms of style. They were famed for being mentally the strongest out of any side collectively around over a number of years, but this side seems wilt frequently when the opposition have any meaningful possession for decent periods of time. A lot of Germans, including Dortmund fans believe Gotze should be the main man to build the team around from an offensive stand point too as Ozil still goes missing for large spells of games. Then there is the mess with the strikers. For me, Volland should have been integrated far sooner into the team. But considering that didn't happen, up until his injury, I was adamant Reus should have lead the line with Gotze behind him.

This time around, Schurrle aside, lack of pace will kill them. One mustn't forget how ruthless they were on the counter in South Africa and up until Greece and then Italy, in Ukraine and Poland a couple of years ago.

Nuri Sahin · 12-06-2014 10:16AM

Looper007 wrote: »

Who are you all of a sudden The Chosen one?

Who are you?

TimeToShine · 12-06-2014 10:16AM

Knex. wrote: »

The Onion give a breakdown on their "Teams to Watch".

http://www.theonion.com/articles/world-cup-teams-to-watch,36253/#1

An Example of the type of insight to expect:

Haha, here's a good one:

FRANCE
Strengths: Great individual chemistry on roster; New crop of promising young talent finally ready to implode on international stage.

OwaynOTT · 12-06-2014 10:23AM

Knex. wrote: »

There's a few good ones in fairness to them.

I want that job. Nobody pays me for being a plonk on boards, yet over on The Onion its not only mandatory, but monetarily encouraged.

Nice linkage there.

Favourite of mine:

Nickname: The German International Soccer Team

Knex* · 12-06-2014 10:27AM

Also, the whole Costa to Spain thing went way over my head until recently enough actually.

Not quite sure how I missed that, as its pretty big news.

Must say, was quite surprised by it all. Imagine if Spain do play Brazil at any stage, he'll get one hell of a hostile reception. Deserved too, IMO.

OwaynOTT · 12-06-2014 10:30AM

Knex. wrote: »

Also, the whole Costa to Spain thing went way over my head until recently enough actually.

Not quite sure how I missed that, as its pretty big news.

Must say, was quite surprised by it all. Imagine if Spain do play Brazil at any stage, he'll get one hell of a hostile reception. Deserved too, IMO.

What? I'm a bigger sap.

Lucas Hood · 12-06-2014 10:35AM

Knex. wrote: »

Also, the whole Costa to Spain thing went way over my head until recently enough actually.

Not quite sure how I missed that, as its pretty big news.

Must say, was quite surprised by it all. Imagine if Spain do play Brazil at any stage, he'll get one hell of a hostile reception. Deserved too, IMO.

Him playing for both spawned my favourite football trivia question.

Which footballer made his international debut twice against Italy in the space of less than a year?

Lucas Hood · 12-06-2014 10:36AM

OwaynOTT wrote: »

What? I'm a bigger sap.

He's Brazilian and played for them last year before switching to Spain.

glued · 12-06-2014 10:47AM

What does everyone make of England's World Cup chances? Personally I don't think that they stand a chance. They may limp it out of the group but Hodgson isn't good enough to get 150% out of this team which is what they'll need to have any meaningful impact on the side. Gerrard has been good this season but has been dominated by better midfielders in the Premier League. He's going to be a massive lynch pin of this side and I'm not sure how effective he can be against some of the better teams in the World Cup. I don't understand the squad selection either. Aside from Gerrard there is no other natural player in the squad to set the tempo for England. Carrick, albeit off form should still have gone as he was the obvious alternative. The only way I can see England progressing is if Rooney can finally do it for England on the World Cup stage. If Rooney can get playing then him and Sturridge could do some damage but I think England's midfield is pretty poor. Baines was also shocking last week too.

MagicIRL · 12-06-2014 10:55AM

glued wrote: »

What does everyone make of England's World Cup chances? Personally I don't think that they stand a chance. They may limp it out of the group but Hodgson isn't good enough to get 150% out of this team which is what they'll need to have any meaningful impact on the side. Gerrard has been good this season but has been dominated by better midfielders in the Premier League. He's going to be a massive lynch pin of this side and I'm not sure how effective he can be against some of the better teams in the World Cup. I don't understand the squad selection either. Aside from Gerrard there is no other natural player in the squad to set the tempo for England. Carrick, albeit off form should still have gone as he was the obvious alternative. The only way I can see England progressing is if Rooney can finally do it for England on the World Cup stage. If Rooney can get playing then him and Sturridge could do some damage but I think England's midfield is pretty poor. Baines was also shocking last week too.

I don't see them getting past the last 16, let alone the QF.

Just looking at teams I think could beat England with ease: Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Spain, Holland, Chile, and Italy.

Then teams that would probably do them too includes Columbia, Croatia, Portugal, Uruguay and France. I honestly don't see what the squad brings that's special. Mediocracy accross the pitch, with Sturridge and Rooney the only real threats. Some very average players in that team.

mike65 · 12-06-2014 11:00AM

glued wrote: »

What does everyone make of England's World Cup chances? Personally I don't think that they stand a chance. They may limp it out of the group but Hodgson isn't good enough to get 150% out of this team which is what they'll need to have any meaningful impact on the side. Gerrard has been good this season but has been dominated by better midfielders in the Premier League. He's going to be a massive lynch pin of this side and I'm not sure how effective he can be against some of the better teams in the World Cup. I don't understand the squad selection either. Aside from Gerrard there is no other natural player in the squad to set the tempo for England. Carrick, albeit off form should still have gone as he was the obvious alternative. The only way I can see England progressing is if Rooney can finally do it for England on the World Cup stage. If Rooney can get playing then him and Sturridge could do some damage but I think England's midfield is pretty poor. Baines was also shocking last week too.

Well at least you didn't give it 110% with that line!

You could rewrite your post and drop in AN Other name and make pretty much the same arguments. Englands chances of winning the world cup are very, very, very small - its not like that is news to anyone. If they get out of the group stage then all depends on if its top or second. Knockout games as we all know are funny in that they have their own peculiar dynamic - quite different to group/league matches.

miralize · 12-06-2014 11:01AM

8 hours 59 mins to kickoff!

Knex* · 12-06-2014 11:06AM

miralize wrote: »

8 hours 59 mins to kickoff!

Beefy78 · 12-06-2014 11:27AM

I've had England to go out in the group due to an Italian/Uruguayan draw since five minutes after the draw.

I think Germany won't get out of their group either :eek:

klose · 12-06-2014 11:30AM

Thank god ive an evening shift on work, the waiting would have killed me otherwise.

greendom · 12-06-2014 11:32AM

Beefy78 wrote: »

I've had England to go out in the group due to an Italian/Uruguayan draw since five minutes after the draw.

I think Germany won't get out of their group either :eek:

I don't think Holland will either

glued · 12-06-2014 11:37AM

greendom wrote: »

I don't think Holland will either

Yeah I don't think the Dutch will get out of that group. Outside of van Persie and Robben they haven't a whole lot else. Although on their day they could easily carry that team.

The Dutch press have minimal expectations especially since Strootman done his ACL.

TimeToShine · 12-06-2014 11:44AM

Will Wilshere get a run out at all for England? Surely on form he deserves a starting spot.

Kerrydude1981 · 12-06-2014 12:27PM

Not a bad job this lad got,

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=218220

Nerdlingr · 12-06-2014 12:32PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

Will Wilshere get a run out at all for England? Surely on form he deserves a starting spot.

On form? The lad has barely been fit the last few months.

Alfred Borden · 12-06-2014 12:34PM

No way does Wilshere deserve to start.

TimeToShine · 12-06-2014 12:41PM

Course he doesn't, what I'm saying is could he come on as a sub and maybe put in a decent shift and then get his chance? I realize he's been very poor lately but he might perk up because of the event.

Alfred Borden · 12-06-2014 12:43PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

Course he doesn't, what I'm saying is could he come on as a sub and maybe put in a decent shift and then get his chance? I realize he's been very poor lately but he might perk up because of the event.

Barley, Sterling and Ox when fit will all be ahead of him to come on if they need to change it up imo. Lambert too probably. I dont think he will get a touch barring an injury to Gerrard or Henderson.

Nerdlingr · 12-06-2014 12:45PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

Course he doesn't, what I'm saying is could he come on as a sub and maybe put in a decent shift and then get his chance? I realize he's been very poor lately but he might perk up because of the event.

TimeToShine wrote: »

Will Wilshere get a run out at all for England? Surely on form he deserves a starting spot.

Ormus · 12-06-2014 01:25PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Barley, Sterling and Ox when fit will all be ahead of him to come on if they need to change it up imo. Lambert too probably. I dont think he will get a touch barring an injury to Gerrard or Henderson.

No way will Gerrard be playing 90 in every match. Wilshere will definitely get on the pitch at some stage.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 12-06-2014 01:37PM

Raf32 wrote: »

Barley, Sterling and Ox when fit will all be ahead of him to come on if they need to change it up imo. Lambert too probably. I dont think he will get a touch barring an injury to Gerrard or Henderson.

He'll definitely get playing time coming on for Gerrard or Henderson. Been good in the warm up games.

IK09 · 12-06-2014 01:55PM

Call me mad but here are my Top Scorer bets:

Christian Ricardo Stuani - Uruguay - 150/1 - €5
Aguero - Argentina - 14/1 - €10
Andre Schurrle - Germany - 80/1 - €5
Oscar - Brazil - 80/1 - €5

TimeToShine · 12-06-2014 01:59PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I meant it in a "surely, when on form, he deserves a starting spot" as opposed to implying he was playing well. I know he's not doing great lately but if he has a stormer of a 20 minutes then he might get his chance.

Clutching at straws here regardless!

Meglamonia · 12-06-2014 02:05PM

Wish there was some live programme on now where they were just in and around the stadium or something can't handle the wait!

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