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World Cup 2014 Super Thread copyright warning #1645

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Pro. F wrote: »
    Germany, Brazil, France, Italy, the Netherlands and Argentina have all had a hell of a lot more success than England in that time.

    So? And?

    You described England's World Cup record as being one of "perennial under achievement" But that simply isn't the case unless you believe that England are, or have been, a top-four nation in that time.

    Top-eight is typical expectation from the English public and media, it's typical of whereabout they are in the World rankings around World Cup time and it's where England typically finish.

    England's World Cup record is perennial mediocrity not under achievement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Dickerty wrote: »
    This tournament had better produce GREAT football, cause it's planning and legacy will leave a lot to be desired...

    Difficult to produce great football on these sorts of pitches. I'd be tempted to give Rickie Lambert a lot of pitch time if I were Roy Hodgson. He's used to such lower-league conditions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    Odds on Spain are fantastic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    So? And?

    You described England's World Cup record as being one of "perennial under achievement" But that simply isn't the case unless you believe that England are, or have been, a top-four nation in that time.

    Top-eight is typical expectation from the English public and media, it's typical of whereabout they are in the World rankings around World Cup time and it's where England typically finish.

    England's World Cup record is perennial mediocrity not under achievement.

    I think in 30 years they should have managed to get into the top 4 more than once. Perennial mediocrity for a country with the strength of league and number of players available to select from is severe underachievement. And that's just the last 30 years. You could go back 140 years and for the vast majority of that time England have underperformed in international football.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    When England pick a good manager they do well enough, when they don't - they don't.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭astonaidan


    I just remembered why I hate Spain, stupid Mendieta :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,591 ✭✭✭patmac


    I know I'm going to be unpopular here but fcuk England.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    patmac wrote: »
    I know I'm going to be unpopular here but fcuk England.

    Boooo fcuk you guy ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Dickerty


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    Difficult to produce great football on these sorts of pitches. I'd be tempted to give Rickie Lambert a lot of pitch time if I were Roy Hodgson. He's used to such lower-league conditions.

    I bet the majority of Championship and even L1 pitches would be better than how that looks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Why do people object so much to people disliking England? Because anyone has an interest in an English based team that they must therefore not dislike their national team? 2 very, very different creatures. I've no problem saying I hope England don't do well.

    It's also not hypocrisy to do that either, despite it being wheeled out every time tournaments roll round.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,756 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    I see they have a turtle now as the official animal to predict the winner of every game.

    If I was a betting man, I'd pick a team based solely on my own inkling and intuition, not because a turtle randomly swam towards a country's flag.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭falan


    Nuri Sahin wrote: »
    The pitch in Manaus is in grand condition. England vs Italy is the first game on it.

    Bp1lgDmCUAAGxjm.jpg:large

    Are we sure that's a recent pic? That could be a picture from a few months ago for all we know? Just saying.

    I guess the only way to find out is to watch the match on the day:)

    *If that is the state of the pitch(es) then its truly shocking...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    falan wrote: »
    Are we sure that's a recent pic? That could be a picture from a few months ago for all we know? Just saying.

    I guess the only way to find out is to watch the match on the day:)

    *If that is the state of the pitch(es) then its truly shocking...

    There seems to be contradictory claims about whether it was taken yesterday or four days ago.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭falan


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    There seems to be contradictory claims about whether it was taken yesterday or four days ago.

    If it was taken yesterday or four days ago then you would think they would at least have it marked out by now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,267 ✭✭✭paulbok


    As usual the English media have been quiet enough about their chances all year, but in the last few weeks as the tournament approaches, they come up with the usual BS of 'they might spring a few surprises'.
    They ain't gonna get out of their group. They have a handful of good player, Hart, Gerrard (bit old to be considered great anymore), Rooney, Wiltshire and Sturridge. That's not going to be good enough against Italy or Uruguay, and there won't be any upsets from Costa Rica to give them a chance.
    They are still going on about the so called 'Golden Generation' of 10 years ago, FFS. Slightly tarnished brass generation I'd have labeled them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭smackbunnybaby


    Lads, is there an app for the McDonalds FF thing?
    Don't see one...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,916 ✭✭✭Ormus


    I see they have a turtle now as the official animal to predict the winner of every game.

    If I was a betting man, I'd pick a team based solely on my own inkling and intuition, not because a turtle randomly swam towards a country's flag.

    Really? Weird.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    paulbok wrote: »
    As usual the English media have been quiet enough about their chances all year, but in the last few weeks as the tournament approaches, they come up with the usual BS of 'they might spring a few surprises'.

    They "might" spring a few surprise? No wonder you're outraged at such an OTT media reaction.
    paulbok wrote: »
    They ain't gonna get out of their group.

    A view shared by most people I'd say, including a lot of the media in England.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    South American pitches are ****e - doesn't matter what the level of the game is. Truth is if you want a proper playing surface northern Europe is the place to be. Perfect mix of rain, dry bits, wind and of course high quality maintenance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Smithwicks Man


    mike65 wrote: »
    South American pitches are ****e - doesn't matter what the level of the game is. Truth is if you want a proper playing surface northern Europe is the place to be. Perfect mix of rain, dry bits, wind and of course high quality maintenance.

    Hear, hear :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,020 ✭✭✭brevity


    The Guardian has an article here about the state of the pitch and stadium at Manaus.
    In and around the changing rooms, naked power cables could be seen dangling from the walls. According to reports, outside the stadium workers were still applying a final coat of asphalt, while several security doors could be seen in their packaging, still waiting to be fitted.

    I've an awful feeling that a lot of people are going to get hurt at this world cup.


  • Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Jairo Ugly Dashboard


    My bets for the WC;

    Argentina outright @ 5/1 EW
    Higuain - Top Goalscorer @ 21/1 EW
    Toure - Top Goalscorer @ 126/1 E/W :pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Meglamonia


    M!Ck^ wrote: »
    My bets for the WC;

    Argentina outright @ 5/1 EW
    Higuain - Top Goalscorer @ 21/1 EW
    Toure - Top Goalscorer @ 126/1 E/W :pac::pac:

    Toure might miss the first game!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭Aenaes


    I'm currently reading All Played Out: The Full Story of Italia '90 by Pete Davies. He followed the England team around before and during the WC.
    Anyway, there was lots of talk about stadiums not being ready back then too. It crops up almost every tournament.


  • Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Jairo Ugly Dashboard


    Meglamonia wrote: »
    Toure might miss the first game!

    :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,475 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    Dunno what to make of all the group spin off threads. Would rather it was all here save for the odd match thread, tbh.

    Perhaps not feasible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,527 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Knex. wrote: »
    Dunno what to make of all the group spin off threads. Would rather it was all here save for the odd match thread, tbh.

    Perhaps not feasible.

    Wait for it, something cool is going to happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Knex. wrote: »
    Dunno what to make of all the group spin off threads. Would rather it was all here save for the odd match thread, tbh.

    Perhaps not feasible.

    Seems like it will spread out the conversation alright and none of the threads will be busy, would have preferred all discussion here and just usual match threads myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭glued


    Anyone else fancy Croatia tomorrow night? Their midfield is far superior to Brazil's midfield. Mandzukic is suspended but I still think that Croatia can win 1-0 here.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Professional Griefer


    I was tempted to bet on a draw with a free bet but its hard to see past Brazil winning tomorrow, can't wait. :D


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