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dahat · 06-06-2014 10:50AM

Plenty of articles around suggesting he has a stinking attitude.

Didn't he turn up.somewhere in jeans and t shirt when everyone else was suited up?

Deiseboy01 · 06-06-2014 10:52AM

Robson99 wrote: »

Beat me to it Deiseboy. I think Barkley will be a top class box to box midfielder in the next two years. He reminds me a lot of a young Gazza [ ive said this for a while not because some journalist had it in a paper yesterday]

Spot on. Gazza is the english player he most closely resembles for me. Maybe lacks Gazzas sheer inventivness but he may get cuter in time. I think he s got the potential to be world class. If we want him hes going to cost a **** lot more this year or next than he would have last summer. Big fail by Moyes not to bring him across with him.

kryogen · 06-06-2014 10:52AM

If you just watched his performances and on field attitude for Cardiff you would not even need to wonder about it

kryogen · 06-06-2014 10:53AM

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Spot on. Gazza is the english player he most closely resembles for me. Maybe lacks Gazzas sheer inventivness but he may get cuter in time. I think he s got the potential to be world class. If we want him hes going to cost a **** lot more this year or next than he would have last summer. Big fail by Moyes not to bring him across with him.

Heard it all before, except the kids name was Jack Rodwell that time

Adamcp898 · 06-06-2014 10:53AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Moyes was a disaster. He spent 65m and dropped us down from 1st to 7th. There's nothing to suggest getting in more players would have changed his tactical view point, his PR disasters or any other of the negatives Moyes brought with him.

The reason I use the Messi thing though is because we're not going to have a summer where we sign no-one, its just that we aren't going to have a summer where we sign everyone quickly. It's panic that makes people think that we might have been better off with Moyes, cause we wouldn't have.

Personally I'm happier with LVG. But I just wanted to get people's attitudes to basically what would be either; a United under Moyes who had now settled in and built a squad, or, a United under a new manager whom we could be saying by December that he needs time to settle and build his squad. Something which is very conceivable if we don't sign 3-4 key players this Summer.

bangkok · 06-06-2014 10:58AM

kryogen wrote: »

Heard it all before, except the kids name was Jack Rodwell that time

or remember dan gosling meant to be the next gazza as well!!

Lord TSC · 06-06-2014 10:58AM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Personally I'm happier with LVG. But I just wanted to get people's attitudes to basically what would be either; a United under Moyes who had now settled in and built a squad, or, a United under a new manager whom we could be saying by December that he needs time to settle and build his squad. Something which is very conceivable if we don't sign 3-4 key players this Summer.

I genuinely don't think we won't get in a few signings. I just think the majority won't be finalized etc until after LVG starts the job full time.

I think it'll be a quiet June, a middling July and an exciting August.

Deiseboy01 · 06-06-2014 11:02AM

Liam O wrote: »

I'm not sure about that at all. Woodward was waxing lyrical before Moyes left about the amount of business going to be done. Van Gaal is coming in at an even later stage than Moyes last season and I'd definitely have taken Moyes' year with the team over anything any manager could provide looking in from the side.

To be honest I am struggling to understand why people think signing the players VG wants will take so much time and effort. Maybe someone more ITK can educate me but is it not a case of VG identifying the players and Woodward putting together an offer that suits? VG surely has studied Utd for months, knows what we lack, has a database of players he rates highly so that should be accomplished already. Going to Club A and offering X million and then speaking to an agent to agree terms cannot be that big a deal or am I hopelessly naive? I just don't see the panic to get this done right now. Once the players are in place pre preseason then who cares.

Leftist · 06-06-2014 11:09AM

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

To be honest I am struggling to understand why people think signing the players VG wants will take so much time and effort. Maybe someone more ITK can educate me but is it not a case of VG identifying the players and Woodward putting together an offer that suits? VG surely has studied Utd for months, knows what we lack, has a database of players he rates highly so that should be accomplished already. Going to Club A and offering X million and then speaking to an agent to agree terms cannot be that big a deal or am I hopelessly naive? I just don't see the panic to get this done right now. Once the players are in place pre preseason then who cares.

I think you're right.

clubs don't need van gaal to be there at the negotiations. Half the clubs around now, and most in europe conduct these things without the manager involved.

My own concern is that woodward is incapable.

homerjay2005 · 06-06-2014 11:13AM

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

To be honest I am struggling to understand why people think signing the players VG wants will take so much time and effort.

because last summer (and to a lesser extent previous summers) showed that United cannot get multiple deals done at the one time and then we end up signing players in a panic buy scenario like Fellaini and Mata***. it takes us months to sign deals that other clubs get done in weeks.

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

. Going to Club A and offering X million and then speaking to an agent to agree terms cannot be that big a deal or am I hopelessly naive? I just don't see the panic to get this done right now.

in one sense no, you are not naive as it should in theory be a straight forward business but in the United sense yes you are, weve not done anything in recent years to suggest we can go out and sign several top world class players in a the space of a few weeks. its just not in our capability to do it, especially once it hits August.

***to be clear on mata, i am delighted we signed him but it was £37.4million that should have been spent on a world class midfielder first and foremost and we already have several players like him in the squad/first team.

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

I just don't see the panic to get this done right now. Once the players are in place pre preseason then who cares.

with every passing week, the likelyhood of this happening gets lesser and lesser especially with the WC happening.

Deiseboy01 · 06-06-2014 11:16AM

kryogen wrote: »

Heard it all before, except the kids name was Jack Rodwell that time

We recognised serious potential and acted on it once before too and it worked out quite well. Rooney has been a fantastic success. This kid has the ability to make a similar impact. I would have expected Moyes to take the best Everton had to offer across with him not a mediocrity.

With regards to Rodwell I never rated him that highly, he was decent but I never bought into the hype. That said he could have made better progress at a different club. City like Chelsea are often the deathbed of young talent. Demands for instant success dont allow them to develop young players properly. Utd would have managed him far better.

Leftist · 06-06-2014 11:17AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

because last summer (and to a lesser extent previous summers) showed that United cannot get multiple deals done at the one time and then we end up signing players in a panic buy scenario like Fellaini and Mata***. it takes us months to sign deals that other clubs get done in weeks.

in one sense no, you are not naive as it should in theory be a straight forward business but in the United sense yes you are, weve not done anything in recent years to suggest we can go out and sign several top world class players in a the space of a few weeks. its just not in our capability to do it, especially once it hits August.

***to be clear on mata, i am delighted we signed him but it was £37.4million that should have been spent on a world class midfielder first and foremost and we already have several players like him in the squad/first team.

good post.

united's conduct in the market for the last 10 years or so has been incompetent. Started with kenyon.

During Gill's time, people blamed the lack of funds and ferguson's disregard to the midfield requirements.

Then it was moyes choosing not to sign players. Arda Turan now claiming united choose not to sign him after a deal was close.

It could be all of those things and the status of the club working against itself.

Macca07 · 06-06-2014 11:48AM

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

With regards to Rodwell I never rated him that highly, he was decent but I never bought into the hype. That said he could have made better progress at a different club. City like Chelsea are often the deathbed of young talent. Demands for instant success dont allow them to develop young players properly. Utd would have managed him far better.

I don't think United is the best place for a young player either anymore. In the mid to late 90s, yes, it was the best place, but United also need that instant success, and that is evident by the lack of players that come from our youth team to the first team. I think the B team idea is a great way forward for English football, Spain have it with a long time.

Macca07 · 06-06-2014 11:54AM

Leftist wrote: »

good post.

united's conduct in the market for the last 10 years or so has been incompetent. Started with kenyon.

During Gill's time, people blamed the lack of funds and ferguson's disregard to the midfield requirements.

Then it was moyes choosing not to sign players. Arda Turan now claiming united choose not to sign him after a deal was close.

It could be all of those things and the status of the club working against itself.

A lot has changed in world football in the last ten years as well, Abramovich took ownership at Chelsea, and raised the price of footballers dramatically. United were the go-to team in late 90s, Chelsea changed that. Then City came in. We always had the money to spend, but Chelsea always had more.

Robson99 · 06-06-2014 11:54AM

kryogen wrote: »

Maybe you think that, maybe deiseboy does, but maybe Moyes didnt and since he had probably seen a bit more of him then ye, went with his own instincts on it?

Also, was Gazza now a box to box midfielder? Would have always referred to him as an attacking midfielder personally

Gazza was an all rounder imo. More attack minded than defensive but perfect player in a middle two. Probably himself and Shearer are the only two players im sorry we never signed.

Macca07 · 06-06-2014 12:15PM

Anyone know if the Ryan Giggs documentary from last night will be repeated? Or has anyone a link to it online?

ITV player has it, but not allowed from an Irish location.

Leftist · 06-06-2014 12:23PM

Macca07 wrote: »

Anyone know if the Ryan Giggs documentary from last night will be repeated? Or has anyone a link to it online?

ITV player has it, but not allowed from an Irish location.

101 great goals

Vertigo100 · 06-06-2014 12:34PM

Macca07 wrote: »

Anyone know if the Ryan Giggs documentary from last night will be repeated? Or has anyone a link to it online?

ITV player has it, but not allowed from an Irish location.

Zenmate for chrome. Thank me later.

ericzeking · 06-06-2014 12:42PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

id take bloody Mike Phelan in charge if it meant we signed Kroos and the other 3, it would be a super summer.

I'll never be 100% convinced Moyes couldn't have turned it round especially seeing some of the subsequent player departures and the apparent replacements who were lined up.....that is not to say I'm not excited about LVG starting though.

I plan to potter through the summer taking as little notice as possible of the rumours and wallow in the excitement of the new manager the charismatic Focker that he is

ericzeking · 06-06-2014 12:49PM

Leftist wrote: »

good post.

united's conduct in the market for the last 10 years or so has been incompetent. Started with kenyon.

During Gill's time, people blamed the lack of funds and ferguson's disregard to the midfield requirements.

Then it was moyes choosing not to sign players. Arda Turan now claiming united choose not to sign him after a deal was close.

It could be all of those things and the status of the club working against itself.

From a fans perspective it may have been incompetent but from a business perspective it's been remarkable, outgoings kept under control while keeping the club successful has lead to the business which is what we are, being in the 'rolling in it' position we apparently find ourselves....far from incompetent if you look at it like that. The Glazers, Kenyon, Gill and Woodward are business men first and foremost.

It would have been nice to sign some more/better players over the years though...

The_Kew_Tour · 06-06-2014 12:50PM

Keep calm and all will end well

LVG will deliver.

FutureGuy · 06-06-2014 01:05PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Keep calm and all will end well

LVG will deliver.

YOU KNOOOOOOWWWWWWWW SOMETHING>>>>

bangkok · 06-06-2014 01:08PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Gazza was an all rounder imo. More attack minded than defensive but perfect player in a middle two. Probably himself and Shearer are the only two players im sorry we never signed.

I would have to say Zidane and Ronaldo

The_Kew_Tour · 06-06-2014 01:10PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

YOU KNOOOOOOWWWWWWWW SOMETHING>>>>

Im taking optimistic route till August.

Leftist · 06-06-2014 01:10PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Keep calm and all will end well

LVG will deliver.

yes he will.

surprised people are even suggesting moyes with some big name signings would be a better choice than lvg. Very short sighted and championship manager.

Even if LvG isn't a complete success in his three years at the club, he will lay down the foundation for his predecessor and introduce a football philosophy that's been missing for the past 4 or so years.

grames_bond · 06-06-2014 01:11PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Keep calm and all will end well

LVG will deliver.

Stop it Kew

Cypher_sounds · 06-06-2014 01:32PM

Just Dave showing his mates how to hold to the ball from a cross

K4t · 06-06-2014 01:46PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Paddy Power just posted this link of Januzaj belter in training

Jan has eye for goal

glued · 06-06-2014 01:49PM

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Just Dave showing his mates how to hold to the ball from a cross

The Spanish media have been fapping all week about De Gea. Future captain, could easily replace Casilias etc.

Macca07 · 06-06-2014 01:55PM

glued wrote: »

The Spanish media have been fapping all week about De Gea. Future captain, could easily replace Casilias etc.

And then they'll start on about bringing him back to Spain, same way they did with Fabregas.

DDG should be the first-choice keeper for them at the WC, but they will go with Casillas.

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