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homerjay2005 · 06-06-2014 09:30AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

One bad game in a international friendly and suddenly he's not worth it by the sounds of a few posters.

????? his performance the last day has nothing to do with people doubting if he is worth £30million or not. he wasnt worth it last week and he is not worth it today.

if the deal is done we all hope he will turn into world class superstar, but £30million is an obscene amount of money for an unproven player. doesnt say alot for our negotiation tactics either.

bangkok · 06-06-2014 09:33AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

????? his performance the last day has nothing to do with people doubting if he is worth £30million or not. he wasnt worth it last week and he is not worth it today.

if the deal is done we all hope he will turn into world class superstar, but £30million is an obscene amount of money for an unproven player. doesnt say alot for our negotiation tactics either.

he had an excellent season in the premier league. if he was a proven world class player at 18 years of age you could end up paying a lot more.

look at david luiz, "proven" player Chelsea bought for 21m and he prob got worse and sold for 50m!!

06-06-2014 09:34AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

????? his performance the last day has nothing to do with people doubting if he is worth £30million or not. he wasnt worth it last week and he is not worth it today.

if the deal is done we all hope he will turn into world class superstar, but £30million is an obscene amount of money for an unproven player. doesnt say alot for our negotiation tactics either.

We don't have much negotiation tactics when your up against a side who are competing in Europe and can throw money around at will.

I agree he's not worth 30 million but if we want him then that's what we need to pay and there's now way around it.

Deiseboy01 · 06-06-2014 09:35AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

massive sense of deja vu already about last summer, but you'd hope that Van Gaal will be a bit less dithering than Moyes and the deals will get done.

my main worry however is that there stilll a massive sense of the "this team were champions" attitude within the club, that multiple posters had on here last summer and they genuinely think that everything will be fine.

one question, am i the only person that has alot of reservations about signing Shaw for £30million? there seems to be a feeling that people dont care about price tag as the bigger it is, the better it makes them feel.

but people saying "sure we have plenty of money, i dont care if we overspend" need a sense check, as we have seen in the past, we tend to have a set amount of money to spend and if a big chunk of it goes on Shaw, it is highely possible other areas wont get looked after properly. Rooney and Rio worked out, but Shaw is a deal that im not fully convinced about.

I agree completely. If money is not an object then certainly fire ahead but I think we ll have 100 mill plus money from sales tops to spend. 30 on a left back is huge. More so a relatively unproven one. Big risk.

Maybe its because I haven't seen a lot of him so willing to be led by other solid poster's opinion on this one plus I can see the upside of sorting a position for a decade and a half if it works out.

Overall I m not too concerned about us not signing a raft of big name signings. Id nearly rather VG spring a few surprises over the next couple of months rather than just spend 60 mill on Vidal or some other name.

One big name centre back or centre mid and three or four more low key young players would be an excellent start. No Europe so he can make a couple of adjustments, secure CL next year then push on again the following summer with no tournament football to complicate matters.

bangkok · 06-06-2014 09:43AM

and looks like mangala prefers united over city...

TheDoc · 06-06-2014 09:44AM

RE: Rooney, Pro.F pretty much changed my opinion a while back when we had a natter about Rooney.

When I put aside my personal dislike of the man for his behaviour, it's hard to not appreciate he has been a high performing top attacking player in one of the best/toughest leagues for a decade.

In terms of Scholes, not sure. Probably lining himself up for some work going forward. He's a straight talker with no sugar coating, but I'm disappointed hes working with PP a company that slaughtered and humiliated the club on a weekly basis.

I get the impression that he has beef with the club, hopefully doesn't turn into a Keane type pantomime figure, that mans reputation has been well and truely shattered in my eyes

newballsplease · 06-06-2014 09:45AM

Could the death of Mr.Glazer be having an impact on the clubs future spending? Could this be slowing down things? Maybe the glazers arent sanctioning any transfers yet.

Timmyctc · 06-06-2014 10:01AM

Paddy Power just posted this link of Januzaj belter in training

06-06-2014 10:03AM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Paddy Power just posted this link of Januzaj belter in training

****ing dinger :pac:

homerjay2005 · 06-06-2014 10:04AM

newballsplease wrote: »

Could the death of Mr.Glazer be having an impact on the clubs future spending? Could this be slowing down things? Maybe the glazers arent sanctioning any transfers yet.

Glazer has been very ill for a long time, his input and impact in the club has been gone for years so the answer to both questions is no. i am sure that anything regards budgets would have been agreed months ago, or well at least you'd hope so anyway.

the most logical explanation of nothing done so far is simple - we had a huge volume of work done on certain targets and its pretty much been ripped apart by Van Gaal and while i dont think its a case of starting all over again, it definately means we are in for a long and somewhat frustrating summer.

Maximus Alexander · 06-06-2014 10:07AM

I bet Moyes would have had a couple of signings made by now. :pac:

Deiseboy01 · 06-06-2014 10:13AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Last season Barkley was on loan in the Championship where he played 17 games and Fellaini was probably Everton's best player. Offering 20 million but have been stupid and horrible business.

Barkley has had a decent season playing in a position we don't need to sign and has already had two serious injuries. Their is no way i would sign him and their is no way you could suggest we signed him for 20 million last summer.

Surely Moyes could see the potential. Twenty million for that level of raw potential is not a stupid move. Plus long term I can see him playing centre mid if required something i dont think Rooney, Mata or Kags can do. Also we didnt have Mata at the time just a non performing Kagawa so even as a ten he was worth a punt at that money.

Adamcp898 · 06-06-2014 10:16AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I bet Moyes would have had a couple of signings made by now. :pac:

Hypothetically speaking, if we get to the end of the Summer and say all we have signed is an unfit Kevin Strootman, would people have been happier with LVG and Strootman or Moyes and say Kroos, Carvalho, Shaw, and Hummels(or another similarly rated CB)?

Lord TSC · 06-06-2014 10:18AM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, if we get to the end of the Summer and say all we have signed is an unfit Kevin Strootman, would people have been happier with LVG and Strootman or Moyes and say Kroos, Carvalho, Shaw, and Hummels(or another similarly rated CB)?

I would have been happier with Klopp, Ronaldo, Messi and Bale....since we are running hypotheticals...

homerjay2005 · 06-06-2014 10:22AM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Hypothetically speaking, if we get to the end of the Summer and say all we have signed is an unfit Kevin Strootman, would people have been happier with LVG and Strootman or Moyes and say Kroos, Carvalho, Shaw, and Hummels(or another similarly rated CB)?

id take bloody Mike Phelan in charge if it meant we signed Kroos and the other 3, it would be a super summer.

if an injured player is our only summer signing, id expect Woodward to be gone by September 2nd and Van Gaal will see people turn on him quick if he allows that though given whats gone on in the past 12 months, its something that we could expect to happen

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newballsplease · 06-06-2014 10:23AM

Hope LVG isnt relying on signing Strootman. That man might not be the same player again after his injury.
Id be pretty sure hes gonna sign at least 1 or 2 dutch players.
Zaha might get a chance next year as he seems to give youth a chance.

Adamcp898 · 06-06-2014 10:31AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I would have been happier with Klopp, Ronaldo, Messi and Bale....since we are running hypotheticals...

I'm pointing out that if keeping Moyes meant we actually managed to sign all the players we have been reportedly very close to doing so (CB aside) would people be happy instead of basically starting from scratch in terms of signings by appointing LVG and the Summer then going the way of last Summer.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

id take bloody Mike Phelan in charge if it meant we signed Kroos and the other 3, it would be a super summer.

if an injured player is our only summer signing, id expect Woodward to be gone by September 2nd and Van Gaal will see people turn on him quick if he allows that though given whats gone on in the past 12 months, its something that we could expect to happen .

Yeah Woodie could be gone if that happens, but, and I know it's not terribly fashionable, if for a moment we believe all of United's briefs to have been the truth, would it not be LVG's fault for turning down the chance to sign these players that Woodward seemingly had on a plate.

I'm feeling very hypothetical this morning.....

MagicIRL · 06-06-2014 10:31AM

newballsplease wrote: »

Zaha might get a chance next year as he seems to give youth a chance.

He gives youth a chance, yes, but Zaha can't even get his game at Cardiff. Lawrence, Wilson, Janko, Keane and Valera will play for the United first team before Zaha.

Robson99 · 06-06-2014 10:32AM

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Surely Moyes could see the potential. Twenty million for that level of raw potential is not a stupid move. Plus long term I can see him playing centre mid if required something i dont think Rooney, Mata or Kags can do. Also we didnt have Mata at the time just a non performing Kagawa so even as a ten he was worth a punt at that money.

Beat me to it Deiseboy. I think Barkley will be a top class box to box midfielder in the next two years. He reminds me a lot of a young Gazza [ ive said this for a while not because some journalist had it in a paper yesterday]

newballsplease · 06-06-2014 10:33AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

He gives youth a chance, yes, but Zaha can't even get his game at Cardiff. Lawrence, Wilson, Janko, Keane and Valera will play for the United first team before Zaha.

Shame as he showed serious potential at CP.

Lord TSC · 06-06-2014 10:35AM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

I'm pointing out that if keeping Moyes meant we actually managed to sign all the players we have been reportedly very close to doing so (CB aside) would people be happy instead of basically starting from scratch in terms of signings by appointing LVG and the Summer then going the way of last Summer.

You are asking if people would rather the perfect summer transfer window or a poor one. It's pretty obvious which one people would want. It also presumes Moyes would have pulled it off which there is more evidence supporting he wouldn't than he would have.

lordgoat · 06-06-2014 10:36AM

newballsplease wrote: »

Shame as he showed serious potential at CP.

Big fish small pond. With an attitude than was a lot greater than his ability it seems.

Backstreet Moyes · 06-06-2014 10:37AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

He gives youth a chance, yes, but Zaha can't even get his game at Cardiff. Lawrence, Wilson, Janko, Keane and Valera will play for the United first team before Zaha.

Zaha has shown far more ability than any of those players so far it is bizarre to say they will play before him. Zaha probably lost his confidence after being frozen out last season i think he has great potential and hopefully LVG can improve him.

06-06-2014 10:38AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

You are asking if people would rather the perfect summer transfer window or a poor one. It's pretty obvious which one people would want. It also presumes Moyes would have pulled it off which there is more evidence supporting he wouldn't than he would have.

I'm not sure about that at all. Woodward was waxing lyrical before Moyes left about the amount of business going to be done. Van Gaal is coming in at an even later stage than Moyes last season and I'd definitely have taken Moyes' year with the team over anything any manager could provide looking in from the side.

Adamcp898 · 06-06-2014 10:39AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

You are asking if people would rather the perfect summer transfer window or a poor one. It's pretty obvious which one people would want. It also presumes Moyes would have pulled it off which there is more evidence supporting he wouldn't than he would have.

No I'm saying are we better off throwing away all the groundwork seemingly done on several deals just to be rid of Moyes, or are we better off with a more accomplished manager and starting from scratch with deals? Because we know where starting from scratch left us last Summer. Hardly the same as asking ''would everyone be happy if we signed Messi?''

TheDoc · 06-06-2014 10:40AM

Never really sold on Zaha, as posted above attitude stinks.

Doubt he will make it to be fair unless he has a serious turnaround in attitude, and to be fair developement.

Backstreet Moyes · 06-06-2014 10:44AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Never really sold on Zaha, as posted above attitude stinks.

Doubt he will make it to be fair unless he has a serious turnaround in attitude, and to be fair developement.

Have you any links to talk about his poor attitude. I am not questioning you i just can't remember that being said.

kryogen · 06-06-2014 10:48AM

Robson99 wrote: »

Beat me to it Deiseboy. I think Barkley will be a top class box to box midfielder in the next two years. He reminds me a lot of a young Gazza [ ive said this for a while not because some journalist had it in a paper yesterday]

Maybe you think that, maybe deiseboy does, but maybe Moyes didnt and since he had probably seen a bit more of him then ye, went with his own instincts on it?

Also, was Gazza now a box to box midfielder? Would have always referred to him as an attacking midfielder personally

bangkok · 06-06-2014 10:49AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Have you any links to talk about his poor attitude. I am not questioning you i just can't remember that being said.

In other news, Wilfried Zaha could lose his place in the England under-21s after new boss Gareth Southgate was reportedly unimpressed by the United winger’s attitude.
Zaha had an altercation with former United starlet Ravel Morrison last week. But the Mirror claims it is Zaha’s attitude to playing for the under-21s in general that could see him dropped in the future.

Lord TSC · 06-06-2014 10:50AM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

No I'm saying are we better off throwing away all the groundwork seemingly done on several deals just to be rid of Moyes, or are we better off with a more accomplished manager and starting from scratch with deals? Because we know where starting from scratch left us last Summer. Hardly the same as asking ''would everyone be happy if we signed Messi?''

Moyes was a disaster. He spent 65m and dropped us down from 1st to 7th. There's nothing to suggest getting in more players would have changed his tactical view point, his PR disasters or any other of the negatives Moyes brought with him.

The reason I use the Messi thing though is because we're not going to have a summer where we sign no-one, its just that we aren't going to have a summer where we sign everyone quickly. It's panic that makes people think that we might have been better off with Moyes, cause we wouldn't have.

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