"I will run you over, You're gonna die" - Video.

Ash.J.Williams · 05-06-2014 12:17PM

The guy on the bike has a few other issues going on i'd say.

Spook_ie · 05-06-2014 12:39PM

The Muppet wrote: »

Cant be sure about that as we cant see what the driver can see at the other side of the Bus. At the start of of the clip there is another cyclist overtaking him despite it appearing to be only single lane traffice at that point.

I didn't think the bus Drive is threatening, more trying to be realistic telling the cyclist he could end up dead by being so wreckless.

I'm sure gardai etc are involved in this now and the cycylist hase been identified elsewhere too so I reckon both parties will have questions to answer.

Actually if you look at the clip immediate start is a guy in a red T Shirt over taking (love the 1.5m Gap he gives the bus and the other Q )

At 6 secs you should also notice there is a cyclist pulls over from the cyclist lane across the front of the bus ( You can see the cyclist at 11 secs through the windscreen of the bus )

I therefore put it to the court that bus driver was actually taking avoiding action from the 2nd cyclist and to prevent injury to that cyclist and to his passengers he slowed and veered left and indicated ( all in a space of 4-5 seconds ) The camera man ( in hindsight ) should have taken account of other traffic and cyclists before berating the driver.

BTW After replaying it umpteen times the driver actually says
"If you wanna die, just go in front of me, I'll run you over no problem"
Probably not the best choice of words but I don't get an implied threat there, more of a warning about his cycling behavior, probably in response to him crossing in front of the bus

MarkR · 05-06-2014 12:40PM

Update to this.

Dublin Bus is investigating footage which has emerged online of a row between one of its drivers and a cyclist.
In the video the double decker appears to veer into the bike lane prompting a confrontation between the two men.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-bus-probing-online-clip-of-row-between-cyclist-and-driver-632583.html

Kenny Logins · 05-06-2014 12:41PM

farna_boy wrote: »

I find it hilarious that if a cyclist wears a camera he is looking for trouble but dash cams are not only acceptable but almost endorsed by every one in this forum.

It seems to me that anyone with a camera is in search of drama.

Patser · 05-06-2014 12:45PM

The silliest thing in all of this is that it happens 50m from a red light where the road also widens. So all this overtaking, undertaking, veering whatever is just as they all come to a stop where there's loads of space anyway.

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 05-06-2014 01:20PM

i cycle and drive, sure the cyslist has a point ,
but no SANE cyclist goes on the inside of a huge fcuking moving object .

the cyclist has no idea what the bus may need to avoid ahead or to the right of the bus
and suddenly pull left to avoid , mincing him in the process.

bus driver is a nob ,
but to be honest my head would be wrecked being surrounded by cyclists on either side , from a driving pov

i rate this 75% cyclist to 25% driver in utter dickheaded ness.

bazzachazza · 05-06-2014 01:33PM

Right at the start watch the cyclist in red overtake, a few seconds later bus moves to the left to give him room. Then video cyclist undertakes bus squeezes between the bus, the path and another cyclist, he then pulls back in front of bus driver to confront him. The bus has "veered" less than a foot into the cycle lane.

The driver in my opinion is saying "I'll kill you" as in if you do silly **** like that the bus will run over you and it's game over. He is not saying he will deliberately kill him but that if he can't see him and clips him......

This confrontation is precipitated by the cyclist who as others have said has a death wish and hates drivers.

Bus driver will be taken for some customer service training and the cyclist will continue to act like twat.

I hate drivers and cyclist in equal measures by the way.

Peanut2011 · 05-06-2014 01:37PM

farna_boy wrote: »

I find it hilarious that if a cyclist wears a camera he is looking for trouble but dash cams are not only acceptable but almost endorsed by every one in this forum.

There are many cyclists wearing cameras and they are fine, it is the idiots like this one that is out to "educate" everyone by putting himself and others at risk to get the good video and "catch" people doing what they should not be.

Seen yesterday few of his other videos. A man is an absolute a-hole!

One of these days he will do that to a wrong person and find himself being picked up of the road!

We all share the road but some get the "self entitlement" disease!

No Pants · 05-06-2014 01:37PM

Saw a van driver and a bus driver get into a bit of a dispute yesterday morning at the junction between Parnell Street and O'Connell Street at approximately 08:00. Don't have a video because I didn't care enough.

the_syco · 05-06-2014 01:41PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

if i was the cyclist i would have slowed down at the start instead of trying to force my way through the closing gap. that way the bus could have gotten ahead to where it was going and the cyclist could have negotiated it without having to risk injury.

Although I agree with you, I think the bus driver should have used his indicators before moving in. I witness this sort of crap (non-use of indicators) whenever I'm driving in Dublin.

Alanstrainor · 05-06-2014 01:50PM

The bus driver had cyclists left and right, and those on the right were overtaking the bus on the outside faster than the cyclist on the inside. It looks to me like the cyclists outside were to blame for the slight deviation in course from the bus driver.

The driver didn't threaten imo, he was stating fact, you will end up dead with carry on like that on a bicycle. I'd say the driver had a fright himself. No sympathy for the cyclist.

I've been cycling through Dublin city centre daily for years (have covered almost 2000km through the city centre since Feb) with a camera on my head, have quite literally nothing worth watching in all that time. Dublin bus drivers are the best drivers on Dublin's roads, they are the most consistently observant, considerate and patient drivers on the road by in large. And they do this day in day out, for hours on end. Definitely not a job I could do.

Alanstrainor · 05-06-2014 02:06PM

I have enough footage to compile a 10 minute video of nothing but good press for Dublin Bus...I might do it actually, so much helmet cam negativity around. Too easy to be an internet arsehole.

TimeToShine · 05-06-2014 02:11PM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

The bus driver had cyclists left and right, and those on the right were overtaking the bus on the outside faster than the cyclist on the inside. It looks to me like the cyclists outside were to blame for the slight deviation in course from the bus driver.

The driver didn't threaten imo, he was stating fact, you will end up dead with carry on like that on a bicycle. I'd say the driver had a fright himself. No sympathy for the cyclist.

I've been cycling through Dublin city centre daily for years (have covered almost 2000km through the city centre since Feb) with a camera on my head, have quite literally nothing worth watching in all that time. Dublin bus drivers are the best drivers on Dublin's roads, they are the most consistently observant, considerate and patient drivers on the road by in large. And they do this day in day out, for hours on end. Definitely not a job I could do.

V. good post. It would be a shame if the driver got into trouble over this.

IMO that cyclist is insane. Speeding up on the inside lane of a bus with those black poles obstructing the footpath? Absolute madness. Also didn't sound to me like the bus driver was threatening - more of an observation, albeit expressed a bit crudely.

Moneymaker · 05-06-2014 02:46PM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

I have enough footage to compile a 10 minute video of nothing but good press for Dublin Bus...I might do it actually, so much helmet cam negativity around. Too easy to be an internet arsehole.

You should definitely do that imo.

I feel sorry for them, it's a very stressful job.

Moomat · 05-06-2014 02:57PM

Bus driver should of pointed him towards this video:

http://youtu.be/wCCWwjb43jw

NewCorkLad · 05-06-2014 03:02PM

From what I can see the bus driver was probably forced to pull in because of the 2 cyclists on his right. His reaction probably wasn't the best after this, however it seemed more of a warning because of the cyclist pulling in front of the bus than anything else.

The cyclist is an idiot for 2 reasons firstly for trying to undertake a bus pulling in, what ever the bus drivers reason you should pull up and give out to him when it is safe to do so. Secondly his an idiot for pulling in front of the bus driver and distracting him twice. If the bus had hit another cyclist or car while he was distracting him it would have been his fault.

He should not be allowed have a bike as he is a danger to himself and others.

blackwhite · 05-06-2014 05:29PM

donvito99 wrote: »

Where he is entitled to be....

... *runs for cover.

The guy in the middle is straddling two lanes.
If he can't filter safely without forcing traffic to move the he's not really entitled to be there.

He should be in either:
a) the cycle lane;
b) the middle of the bus lane; or
c) the middle of the driving/car lane.

Hovering on the line between the bus lane and the regular driving lane is both dangerous and stupid.

keithclancy · 05-06-2014 05:55PM

My first though was wtf kind of cycle lane is that.

Cyclist is suicidal.

robertxxx · 05-06-2014 09:53PM

Liam's a great guy.
Check out those crazy taxi and bus eireann drivers on Liam's YouTube page.

Mimikyu · 05-06-2014 11:25PM

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malcomb3 · 07-06-2014 07:42PM

I love how in this country, whenever an incident like this happens there are hoards of dribbling idiots who are quick blame to potential victim. It's a disturbing aspect of Irish psychology. I don't accept the "both people here were dicks" rubbish. Ugh, this is why I avoid this site like the plague.

The bus driver explicitly stated "I'll run you over" and "You're gonna die". And you people blame the cyclist? What does it take for people here to consider a maniac a maniac? Folks here are probably upset that the cyclist had the temerity to protest. That bus driver is a danger to countless lives every day, and is supremely unapologetic about it.

Additionally, you have no clue what it was like for the cyclist while the bus was narrowing the lane. He probably sped up as the bus was coming to a halt soon and the lane wasn't narrowing that fast anyway.

Humans make these split second estimations based on data in the moment all the time, there was nothing crazy about the cyclist speeding up. Obviously in his estimation in the moment it was a safe move, and his estimation turned out to be correct.

garclo · 07-06-2014 08:10PM

malcomb3 wrote: »

I love how in this country, whenever an incident like this happens there are hoards of dribbling idiots who are quick blame to potential victim. It's a disturbing aspect of Irish psychology. I don't accept the "both people here were dicks" rubbish. Ugh, this is why I avoid this site like the plague.

The bus driver explicitly stated "I'll run you over" and "You're gonna die". And you people blame the cyclist? What does it take for people here to consider a maniac a maniac? Folks here are probably upset that the cyclist had the temerity to protest. That bus driver is a danger to countless lives every day, and is supremely unapologetic about it.

Additionally, you have no clue what it was like for the cyclist while the bus was narrowing the lane. He probably sped up as the bus was coming to a halt soon and the lane wasn't narrowing that fast anyway.

Humans make these split second estimations based on data in the moment all the time, there was nothing crazy about the cyclist speeding up. Obviously in his estimation in the moment it was a safe move, and his estimation turned out to be correct.

thanks for that liam!!:D

Moomat · 07-06-2014 08:34PM

malcomb3 wrote: »

I love how in this country, whenever an incident like this happens there are hoards of dribbling idiots who are quick blame to potential victim. It's a disturbing aspect of Irish psychology. I don't accept the "both people here were dicks" rubbish. Ugh, this is why I avoid this site like the plague.

The bus driver explicitly stated "I'll run you over" and "You're gonna die". And you people blame the cyclist? What does it take for people here to consider a maniac a maniac? Folks here are probably upset that the cyclist had the temerity to protest. That bus driver is a danger to countless lives every day, and is supremely unapologetic about it.

Additionally, you have no clue what it was like for the cyclist while the bus was narrowing the lane. He probably sped up as the bus was coming to a halt soon and the lane wasn't narrowing that fast anyway.

Humans make these split second estimations based on data in the moment all the time, there was nothing crazy about the cyclist speeding up. Obviously in his estimation in the moment it was a safe move, and his estimation turned out to be correct.

I certainly wouldn't consider the driver to be a maniac. I would however question whether somebody is of reasonable mind if they interpret what the driver said as some sort of threat.
It would be like a cyclist going to a shooting range and cycling in front of people while they target practice. If they somehow made it through alive I would sure the people practicing would say if you do that again it is very likely I will shoot you and you are going to die.
Driver was making a statement not a threat.

Peanut2011 · 09-06-2014 08:54AM

malcomb3 wrote: »

Ugh, this is why I avoid this site like the plague.

Yet you are here!

The problem was that the cyclist had no regard for his life. He needs to realise that he would come out worse and cycle the way he would protect himself. The same way a car does not do the same with the truck and so on...

The bus driver did not do anything in that video that was of threatening behaviour!

On the other side, he could be forgiven if that was a once off incident (the cyclist), however he has full listing of videos where he is just acting like a di**!

No one who is of the mind like he is "I am here cos I can be and I shall stay" should be allowed to be on the road.
Personally I think he gives a bad name to many cyclists who are out there.

Yakuza · 09-06-2014 11:46AM

Can someone clear up something for me?
It is my understanding that these cycle lanes are legally treated like driving lanes, so switching from one to the other would require some form of indication (applicable to all road users, cyclists, motorcyclists, car drivers, bus drivers and everyone in between). Is this the case?

Also, is it not perfectly acceptable for a cyclist to "undertake" when in such a lane as traffic to their right would be generally slower? Obviously common sense has to apply to account; i.e the cyclist needs to be aware of buses or other vehicles pulling in to park, let someone off/on etc.

As regards this particular video, yer man was out to look for trouble, he should have slowed down and not tried to cycle in the lane while the bus was in it (I think the driver had to veer in to avoid the other gobsh1te on the other bike).

During a typical work week, I cycle in 3 days a week, drive once and take the bus once, so I commute from all three perspectives. The main issue with the cycling "infrastructure" in Dublin is that in the vast majority of cases, someone saw fit just to paint a white stripe on the road (or paint a bit of the path pink) and - hey presto - there's your cycle lane without giving proper consideration to existing motorised and pedestrian users of what was up to then their almost exclusive domain. The glittering exception to this rule is the stretch of cycle lane from Portobello to Grand Canal St - now thats a stretch of infrastructure DCC can be proud of and is a pleasure to use (except when it's full of f*cking joggers!!).

gctest50 · 09-06-2014 11:55AM

Peanut2011 wrote: »

On the other side, he could be forgiven if that was a once off incident (the cyclist), however he has full listing of videos where he is just acting like a di**!

He is just tipping away here and someone crosses a white line against traffic on a bend

"04D45342 almost causes serious accident"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MjkKSclIXk

Toyotafanboi · 09-06-2014 12:08PM

Seems like Liam needs to get off the roads. you can't overtake him without getting "GoPro'd". i admit there have been a few dodgy manouvres but generally he needs to appreciate that cycling on busy N roads at peak times maybe just isn't as practical as it was in the 1940's and if you should chose to do so, you somewhat accept the risks that it poses. Not making the risks right, just accepting that they exist. at least the city based videos mostly have cycle tracks.

He's literally looking for trouble, gagging for a fight. see the guy in the focus on the mobile phone that "caused a collision". now sure, the guy was on the phone, but Liam isn't a police man. what was he going to do gesturing the focus to pull in, was this to give him an extra ticking off or what? he also cunningly cuts the video short, after the focus runs the red light he clear follows through on the bike too.

Liams problem is that he is looking for it. he always goes back for seconds. it must be a long hard life on him peddling around in the dark and the rain looking for fights. he should get a bus pass or a micra.

Dartz · 09-06-2014 12:40PM

The cyclist riding down the road
He's in the buses blind spot
The driver doesn't see him at all
Pop! goes the cyclist...

.......I'll get my coat.

Veloce · 09-06-2014 01:15PM

I think that bus driver looks like some character from the Irish version of Goodfellas

Both wrong in this instance. The cyclist took it all too personally imo.

"I will run you over, You're gonna die" - Video.

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