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MagicIRL · 30-05-2014 09:41AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I very much doubt Bebe will ever play another game for United, but I'm still delighted to see him doing so well in Portugal. I think if he'd been in an academy at one of the big clubs from a young age he might have turned into quite a player.

He's still only 23. A loan move to a Premier League team could do him wonders. He's gotten a bit of confidence now with this loan and his goal scoring, sign him to a two year extension, loan him out and profit. :cool:

kryogen · 30-05-2014 09:42AM

beno619 wrote: »

I reckon there's a huge chance LVG will convert Valencia into a CM.
He plays there for Ecuador and has apparently been quite effective, will be interesting having a look at him this summer at the world cup.

Why do people keep saying this?

Is it you? Do you just keep repeating it despite being corrected on it? It seems to come up once a week now for some reason

Cookiemunster · 30-05-2014 09:45AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Reports are liverpool will sign Lambert over the weekend - doesn't look like it will take a month for them to sort that deal out.

How do you know they haven't been in contact for a few weeks?
What it looks like to me is that Southampton weren't doing anything until they knew what was happening with Poccetino. All of a sudden there's movement on two different transfers.
Also there is a huge difference between the £30m transfer of an 18yr old they don't want to lose and a £4m transfer of an easily replaceable 32yr old.

Maximus Alexander · 30-05-2014 09:45AM

kryogen wrote: »

Why do people keep saying this?

Is it you? Do you just keep repeating it despite being corrected on it? It seems to come up once a week now for some reason

It definitely won't happen. He's not going to want two converted CMs and Reus will already be filling that gap. Managers love to shoehorn players from other positions into CM is what I've learned from this thread.

TheDoc · 30-05-2014 09:46AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Reports are liverpool will sign Lambert over the weekend - doesn't look like it will take a month for them to sort that deal out.

Fair point I guess. Assuming that goes go ahead this weekend.

But I think if Lambart for €10m goes through, it's surely maybe a little easier then this Shaw deal. Even on the clubs part, letting a 30+ striker leave isn't as big a deal as your prized youth prospect.

Semes to be oodles of confidence around the Shaw deal from all quarters, have to say suprised there isn't a battle for him.

kryogen · 30-05-2014 09:47AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Reports are liverpool will sign Lambert over the weekend - doesn't look like it will take a month for them to sort that deal out.

You have no idea how long it has taken though if it goes through, comparing the transfer of a 32 year old striker, when they already have Rodriguez at the club to the star young English hope in the team is a bit mad though isn't it?

slingerz · 30-05-2014 09:48AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Reports are liverpool will sign Lambert over the weekend - doesn't look like it will take a month for them to sort that deal out.

TBF Lambert is a scouser and a Liverpool fan as well as being 32. Luke Shaw is one of the most promising players Southampton have had and would command a much bigger fee and with a much wider group of interested buying parties.

I wouldnt be surprised to see Chelsea go for Shaw after selling Luiz

TheDoc · 30-05-2014 09:51AM

Nothing of the sort to base this off, but wondering if Chelsea might plan another cheeky Rooney raid.

Was definitely some belly rubbing during the Mata deal about how rivals should sell to each other. A good close 100m being made from selling two players in recent times, just wondering if maybe they might launch a cheeky one on him again.

Mitch Connor · 30-05-2014 09:52AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Nothing of the sort to base this off, but wondering if Chelsea might plan another cheeky Rooney raid.

Was definitely some belly rubbing during the Mata deal about how rivals should sell to each other. A good close 100m being made from selling two players in recent times, just wondering if maybe they might launch a cheeky one on him again.

doubt it - Costa looks nailed on for them, and don't see them going for Costa and another big money striker.

Cantona's Collars · 30-05-2014 09:55AM

beno619 wrote: »

I reckon there's a huge chance LVG will convert Valencia into a CM.
He plays there for Ecuador and has apparently been quite effective, will be interesting having a look at him this summer at the world cup.

He has the attributes that have served the likes of Carrick so well over the years,go forward a bit,stop & pass the ball backwards or sideways.If those are the benchmarks he's to be judged by then he'd make a fine CM.

bangkok · 30-05-2014 09:57AM

Valencia plays right wing all the time with Ecuador.....

TheDoc · 30-05-2014 09:58AM

I can see the logic about Valencia in the middle. Outragous stamina, decent tackler, built like a tank.

But you'd be wanting good positional sense and being really comfy with the ball, not sure if hes up to that.

Wouldn't hurt to see him in preseason friendlies doing the roll, but cant imagine it coming to pass.

Cantona's Collars · 30-05-2014 10:00AM

TheDoc wrote: »

I can see the logic about Valencia in the middle. Outragous stamina, decent tackler, built like a tank.

But you'd be wanting good positional sense and being really comfy with the ball, not sure if hes up to that.

Wouldn't hurt to see him in preseason friendlies doing the roll, but cant imagine it coming to pass.

Couldn't you imagine the meltdown if we don't sign a CM and play Valencia there after he's come second behind Young on most people's list of players they want sold.

v3ttel · 30-05-2014 10:05AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

I didn't know he played CM. Anyone and I mean anyone is better than Tom Cleverly at CM.

Sure thing, Captain Hyperbole. Sure lets stick Van Gaal himself in there so.

"Milk turns faster than Per Mertesacker."
"My nan takes a better penalty than Mikel Arteta."
etc, etc.

MagicIRL wrote: »

Got a link? Nothing on the Sports day feed at the moment.

Memphis Depay another name being linked with us. 20 year old LW from PSV and playing in the Dutch side. Would be a decent signing, no? I don't know much about him but jesus lads Nani and Young have been beyond poor for long enough now.

I have mentioned Nani, ABANDON THREAD!

So to sum up: a player you don't know much about, would be a decent signing. Good stuff.

Kylo Ren · 30-05-2014 10:07AM

Man, we are properly shit at transfers for a club of our stature. It'd make you laugh if it wasn't so depressing at times.

beno619 · 30-05-2014 10:10AM

kryogen wrote: »

Why do people keep saying this?

Is it you? Do you just keep repeating it despite being corrected on it? It seems to come up once a week now for some reason

Typed it up a few days ago but wanst sure if it posted, just checked their and it did so apologies, haven't been on as regularly as usual so missed the correction ?

bangkok wrote: »

Valencia plays right wing all the time with Ecuador.....

I believe he's played CM a lot recently.

I wouldn't be so dismissive of the idea without seeing him play their first. Obviously we should be looking to bring in 2 central players regardless.

MagicIRL · 30-05-2014 10:15AM

v3ttel wrote: »

So to sum up: a player you don't know much about, would be a decent signing. Good stuff.

Yes. I don't know much about him, but from what I do know he seems he would be a decent signing. So, rather than pretending I'm a football genius I came fishing for info from other fans. Is that hard to get your head around?

What I know is he's got 17 goals for PSV since joining in 2011, with another 20 international goals at Underage level. Plays LW for PSV but can also play RW apparently if required.

Larry Wildman · 30-05-2014 10:18AM

billyhead wrote: »

I have no faith in Woodward as a transfer negotiator. Don't get me wrong he might be good at getting the marketing deals sorted but if he screws up the transfer window for us this summer he should be shown the door.

The logical thing would be to leave Woodward doing what he does best (i.e. negotiating sponsorship deals) and to bring in someone else to handle transfer business. Failing that, maybe bring Gill back just to deal with transfers and pay him appropriately. Perhaps a gig like that would appeal to a quasi retired guy like him?

But getting rid of Woodward would be nuts. If he has a blind spot in relation to transfer negotiating, that's not his fault...it's the Glazer's for giving him that responsibility.

TheDoc · 30-05-2014 10:33AM

Isn't he totally new to the role though? Like, no experience in this field what so ever. I think it's reasonable to expect he needs some bedding in time. I suppose though there is a good arguement that for a club our size we need experience in that role.

Although we might be jumping the gun here, barely a month into the window, with three months to go.

If we are sitting here September 1st and are happy with the signings, and feel good improvement has been made, doubt we will have much to complain about. I don't think it's as much about the method, simply just the final output thats critical when it comes to this.

At the time last year felt hard to criticise. Was strung along and didn't spot it due to inexperience, will be much wiser to that side of it now.

But we did have a bang for Fabregas, Bale, Ronaldo, Thiago among others.

Don't think its a lack of trying, might just be being too green to the whole thing. In his field very little room for mistakes, so I'm sure he has learned his lesson quickly.

He's risen through the ranks particularly fast, so I'd imagine he has some serious talent about him to be where he is now, and you don't get their without being a quick learner.

Kerrydude1981 · 30-05-2014 10:38AM

Wasn't there a promising young winger signed last summer?

Is this Dutch lad better then Zaha?

Maximus Alexander · 30-05-2014 10:39AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Although we might be jumping the gun here, barely a month into the window, with three months to go.

While I agree with you that it's early days to be getting knickers twisted, after the season United just had leaving signings until late in the window will be unacceptable for me.

Anyone who comes in needs a full preseason behind them so the team can be firing on all cylinders from the outset.

duffman13 · 30-05-2014 10:49AM

beno619 wrote: »

Typed it up a few days ago but wanst sure if it posted, just checked their and it did so apologies, haven't been on as regularly as usual so missed the correction ?

I believe he's played CM a lot recently.

I wouldn't be so dismissive of the idea without seeing him play their first. Obviously we should be looking to bring in 2 central players regardless.

When has he played CM for Ecuador?

Cookiemunster · 30-05-2014 10:56AM

duffman13 wrote: »

When has he played CM for Ecuador?

He started as a central midfielder.
From his profile on manutd.com

His transfer to United curtailed a three-year stint at Wigan Athletic, where he had piqued manager Paul Jewell's interest with a series of impressive performances in central midfield in Ecuador's campaign at the 2006 World Cup.

Mitch Connor · 30-05-2014 10:57AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

While I agree with you that it's early days to be getting knickers twisted, after the season United just had leaving signings until late in the window will be unacceptable for me.

Anyone who comes in needs a full preseason behind them so the team can be firing on all cylinders from the outset.

My big reason for wanting deals done ASAP and getting annoyed at the lack of action so far from United is down to the World Cup - transfers generally grind to a halt once the WC begins, so I wanted a couple of deals done now - so we weren't getting into July needing to do deals for 4/5/6 players.

Woodward claimed that dealing with Rooney last summer hindered United in negotiating for other players, due to man-power resources being tied up - and this summer we need to get five or six players in; his comments on rooney don't fill me with confidence in his ability to do a number of deals if they are all left until after the world cup (and inevitable player holidays).

KH25 · 30-05-2014 10:57AM

Been away for the past week. Any news on the team/transfers?

Mitch Connor · 30-05-2014 10:58AM

KH25 wrote: »

Been away for the past week. Any news on the team/transfers?

no.

KH25 · 30-05-2014 11:00AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

no.

Sadly, thats exactly what I expected.

MagicIRL · 30-05-2014 11:01AM

KH25 wrote: »

Been away for the past week. Any news on the team/transfers?

Shaw back in negotiations according to the BBC.

TheDoc · 30-05-2014 11:02AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

While I agree with you that it's early days to be getting knickers twisted, after the season United just had leaving signings until late in the window will be unacceptable for me.

Anyone who comes in needs a full preseason behind them so the team can be firing on all cylinders from the outset.

But our pre-season wont be starting until what, August potentially?

It's a world cup summer, pre-seasons are shot to **** during that time, but I get where your coming from, but I'd say the sort of players we are being linked with, will be involved in the WC and probably be on rest afterwards, joining up with the squad later in the pre-season.

Agree though the ideal scenario is get the business done early so people can get settled ASAP, and be comfortable with where they are moving, going and doing, in the months ahead.

I wonder are Southampton purposefully stalling to get into WC territory. I'd imagine if Shaw makes a start, and essentially becomes "World Cup" status, Southampton might feel there is grounds to up the fee again.

bangkok · 30-05-2014 11:04AM

valencia does not play centre midfield for Ecuador!!! right wing every game

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