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Could there be an Irish Elliot Rodger here on Boards.ie?

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  • #32
    [Deleted User]
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    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    I've been doing a lot of reading about the UCSB massacre committed by sexually frustrated loner Elliot Rodger. I find his character fascinating. He has left a huge internet footprint of photos, videos, forum posts and general ramblings all over various websites.

    The worrying thing is that I've read similar posts to Elliot Rodger's here on this website from guys who can't get a girlfriend and who are online literally all day. We have lots of angry posters who indulge in torture fantasies and casual racism/anti-semitism. It's even acceptable to openly support a political party who murders women and children and protects pedophiles. When you meet someone online with similar views to yourself, it validates them to a certain extent and you no longer feel crazy or alone. It's comforting to know there are others out there who think like you. This is dangerous and gives confidence to nutters who possess a deep hatred for women/Jews/the British.

    What can we do when we come across posters like this? How do we know if they are a serious threat to society? I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who would have laughed if they read Elliot Rodger's diatribes and not taken him seriously.

    Why do you find him fascinating? its creepy in the extreme.


  • #33
    Maid of the Mist
    Site Banned Posts: 63 ✭✭Maid of the Mist


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Why do you find him fascinating? its creepy in the extreme.

    Just because I find a character fascinating doesn't mean I respect or adore him. Many historians find Hitler fascinating because it's interesting how he formed his political views throughout the different stages of his life and how he rose to power.

    Likewise, I find Elliot Rodger's ramblings an intriguing insight into the mind of an internet hermit and sex-obsessed virgin. He's quite articulate if you check out his manifesto. It's a gripping read.


  • #34
    XIXIX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 ✭XIXIX


    Ah here!!!


  • #35
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Hotale.com wrote: »
    Definitely The Backwards Man.

    Definitely what?


  • #36
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    I'd have thought the guy was unwell in the first place. Being on the internet lots probably didn't help, but I doubt it turned him into what he became.


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  • #37
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    You can't seriously argue that online interactions are more valuable than real life ones?

    When did I argue that?

    My argument was about you're silly generalisations and extreme assumptions about others that you perceive to spend a lot of time 'sat on their laptop'.

    If the crux of the thread is whether or not online interactions are as healthy as real life ones, then why not just word it like that?


  • #38
    Maid of the Mist
    Site Banned Posts: 63 ✭✭Maid of the Mist


    Magaggie wrote: »
    I'd have thought the guy was unwell in the first place. Being on the internet lots probably didn't help, but I doubt it turned him into what he became.

    He seemed to have a very happy childhood actually. In his manifesto, he claims that the day he discovered chatrooms was the start of a downward spiral. He describes going into fits of rage when his step-mother restricted his internet time. One wonders how his life would have turned out if he went outside to play with the other teenagers instead.

    He was very active on a forum called puahate.com (which has now been taken down) where guys would vent their frustrations at seeing "less-worthy" men with hot girls. He also felt blacks and Asians were beneath him (despite being half-Asian himself) and he placed white blonde girls up on a heavenly pedestal. Some of his posts are still visible on a popular bodybuilding forum.


  • #39
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    He seemed to have a very happy childhood actually. In his manifesto, he claims that the day he discovered chatrooms was the start of a downward spiral. He describes going into fits of rage when his step-mother restricted his internet time. One wonders how his life would have turned out if he went outside to play with the other teenagers instead.

    He was very active on a forum called puahate.com (which has now been taken down) where guys would vent their frustrations at seeing "less-worthy" men with hot girls. He also felt blacks and Asians were beneath him (despite being half-Asian himself) and he placed white blonde girls up on a heavenly pedestal. Some of his posts are still visible on a popular bodybuilding forum.
    Yep, still seems to me like someone who's emotionally troubled in the first place. And if not the internet would have found another unhealthy outlet. It's a story as old as the hills.
    Happy children can still become unhappy adolescents. I've personal experience of that. Hormones are problematic things.


  • #40
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Did someone really try to claim video games were involved? Theresa heaney? Is that you?


  • #41
    Hotale.com
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Hotale.com


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Definitely what?

    You're the psycho killer who's going to murder is all :)

    I really just thought of people who commonly post, and you were the first that came to my head.

    Well actually Diego Simeone was, but you seem more likely than him to be a psycho so I said you.

    In fairness I'm probably a likely contender by the OPs logic because I've over a thousand posts in just over a month.

    I hate my life.

    :)


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  • #42
    Hotale.com
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Hotale.com


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Yep, still seems to me like someone who's emotionally troubled in the first place. And if not the internet would have found another unhealthy outlet. It's a story as old as the hills.
    Happy children can still become unhappy adolescents. I've personal experience of that. Hormones are problematic things.

    He had Asperger's syndrome, that is the most valid reason for his apparent mental instability imo.


  • #43
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Did someone really try to claim video games were involved? Theresa heaney? Is that you?


    World of Warcraft. Playing a warrior panda obviously can be linked to his hatred of women, or something.


  • #44
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Nodin wrote: »
    World of Warcraft. Playing a warrior panda obviously can be linked to his hatred of women, or something.

    I've found playing any games online leads to a hatred of people. Normally 10 year old boys screaming about your mother and your sexual orientation though.


  • #45
    Maid of the Mist
    Site Banned Posts: 63 ✭✭Maid of the Mist


    Hotale.com wrote: »
    In fairness I'm probably a likely contender by the OPs logic because I've over a thousand posts in just over a month.

    I hate my life.

    You openly admit you have made over a thousand posts in a short amount of time, and that is just one forum. Would you say you spend too much time online?

    Are you unhappy? Why do you say you hate your life? Do you have a job, go to school, have friends etc? I'm interested in the profile of an internet addict and what their daily life is like.


  • #46
    Maid of the Mist
    Site Banned Posts: 63 ✭✭Maid of the Mist


    Playing World of Warcraft wasn't directly responsible for his hatred of women. Rather, it facilitated him in becoming a hermit which stunted his social development and prevented him from meeting and interacting with females. He talked of the internet as being an escape from his torturous life as a virgin and a place of respite. He then became afraid to leave his online comfort zone for prolonged periods and enter the real world.


  • #47
    Hotale.com
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Hotale.com


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    You openly admit you have made over a thousand posts in a short amount of time, and that is just one forum. Would you say you spend too much time online?

    Are you unhappy? Why do you say you hate your life? Do you have a job, go to school, have friends etc? I'm interested in the profile of an internet addict and what their daily life is like.

    Well, I'm insulted.


  • #48
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    He seemed to have a very happy childhood actually. In his manifesto, he claims that the day he discovered chatrooms was the start of a downward spiral. He describes going into fits of rage when his step-mother restricted his internet time. One wonders how his life would have turned out if he went outside to play with the other teenagers instead.

    He was very active on a forum called puahate.com (which has now been taken down) where guys would vent their frustrations at seeing "less-worthy" men with hot girls. He also felt blacks and Asians were beneath him (despite being half-Asian himself) and he placed white blonde girls up on a heavenly pedestal. Some of his posts are still visible on a popular bodybuilding forum.

    I'm married to a white blonde haired girl of Jewish descent who won't let me have a girlfriend , nows who's the nut job again ?


  • #49
    Maid of the Mist
    Site Banned Posts: 63 ✭✭Maid of the Mist


    Hotale.com wrote: »
    Well, I'm insulted.

    I only quoted what you posted. Now who's dodging questions?


  • #50
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    Playing World of Warcraft wasn't directly responsible for his hatred of women. Rather, it facilitated him in becoming a hermit which stunted his social development and prevented him from meeting and interacting with females. He talked of the internet as being an escape from his torturous life as a virgin and a place of respite. He then became afraid to leave his online comfort zone for prolonged periods and enter the real world.
    Yes, you interact with nobody on the internet or in a MMO(massively multiplayer online)
    He probably found it as a place where people didnt know him and his upload speed wasnt enough for everyone to see his ego.


  • #51
    Hotale.com
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Hotale.com


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    I only quoted what you posted. Now who's dodging questions?

    Now that I think of it, yes I am unhappy but it's unrelated to my internet activity.

    I don't hate my life, I quite like my life.

    I go to school and I have friends.

    I'm not an internet addict, I just go on here when I've little to do/take a break from study. I'll probably be on here far less once my leaving cert is over because I'll be out of the house far more often.

    My daily life is much the same as everyone else's; I get up, have breakfast, go to school, talk to friends, go home, study, watch some telly or read a book, and then I go to sleep.

    What would you expect the life of an "internet addict" to be like?


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  • #52
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    I like the peoples of the internet.
    They make me feel normal AND good looking:P


  • #53
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    In his manifesto, he claims that the day he discovered chatrooms was the start of a downward spiral. He describes going into fits of rage when his step-mother restricted his internet time. One wonders how his life would have turned out if he went outside to play with the other teenagers instead.

    If things had been different and he was mixing with more people, he may have had a little assplosion with someone "inferior" he saw with a girl, and the person he saw as "inferior" could have brought it to an end and saved the killing. But what if is no good now.

    EG:

    This guy seems to pick on the coloured bloke because he is walking along with a white girl.
    Probably seen them together a few times, and saw the bike on the footpath as the excuse to have a go at him/them.
    The lad who knocked him out and killled him probably saved a massacre


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GcXBIOvXIg


  • #54
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    Playing World of Warcraft wasn't directly responsible for his hatred of women. Rather, it facilitated him in becoming a hermit which stunted his social development and prevented him from meeting and interacting with females. He talked of the internet as being an escape from his torturous life as a virgin and a place of respite. He then became afraid to leave his online comfort zone for prolonged periods and enter the real world.

    He had aspergers and mental problems from a young age - he had trouble meeting and socialising with people full stop


  • #55
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    Just because I find a character fascinating doesn't mean I respect or adore him. Many historians find Hitler fascinating because it's interesting how he formed his political views throughout the different stages of his life and how he rose to power.

    Likewise, I find Elliot Rodger's ramblings an intriguing insight into the mind of an internet hermit and sex-obsessed virgin. He's quite articulate if you check out his manifesto. It's a gripping read.

    You read his manifesto? Was he a Sinn Fein supporter who posted on after hours?


  • #56
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    I've been doing a lot of reading about the UCSB massacre committed by sexually frustrated loner Elliot Rodger. I find his character fascinating.

    Creepy.
    This is dangerous and gives confidence to nutters who possess a deep hatred for women/Jews/the British.

    Why are you so utterly obsessed with Jews, Israel, Sinn Fein and 'the limp-wristed left'?

    Maybe you should talk to a someone about these obsessions you have.

    Personal Issues might accommodate you better.

    Take care.


  • #57
    Maid of the Mist
    Site Banned Posts: 63 ✭✭Maid of the Mist


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    He had aspergers and mental problems from a young age - he had trouble meeting and socialising with people full stop

    Ugh I'm so tired of chatting to people who haven't a clue what they're talking about. Read Elliot Rodger's manifesto. It's an autobiography. He talks about how he had no trouble making friends before puberty. He used to hang out with a skateboarder group, go trick or treating with friends every halloween and have regular sleepovers. When he discovered the internet and online gaming, his life took a turn for the worse.

    Should we not be concerned with people who lock themselves in a dark room with the laptop and the curtains drawn and withdraw from society? The Japanese recognise this a problem and term it "hikikomori". Why are Irish people in denial of the problem?


  • #58
    Maid of the Mist
    Site Banned Posts: 63 ✭✭Maid of the Mist


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Why are you so utterly obsessed with Jews, Israel, Sinn Fein and 'the limp-wristed left'?

    "Yes my children, don't criticise Sinn Féin or you'll be labelled a nutter. You wouldn't want that, would you? Protecting pedophiles and murdering children is perfectly normal behaviour. Now, on you go and tell all your friends to vote Sinn Féin"


  • #59
    Hotale.com
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Hotale.com


    Maid of the Mist wrote: »
    Ugh I'm so tired of chatting to people who haven't a clue what they're talking about. Read Elliot Rodger's manifesto. It's an autobiography. He talks about how he had no trouble making friends before puberty. He used to hang out with a skateboarder group, go trick or treating with friends every halloween and have regular sleepovers. When he discovered the internet and online gaming, his life took a turn for the worse.

    Should we not be concerned with people who lock themselves in a dark room with the laptop and the curtains drawn and withdraw from society? The Japanese recognise this a problem and term it "hikikomori". Why are Irish people in denial of the problem?

    If you're looking for serious discussion why did you bother posting this in After Hours? :confused:


  • #60
    bumper234
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    If things had been different and he was mixing with more people, he may have had a little assplosion with someone "inferior" he saw with a girl, and the person he saw as "inferior" could have brought it to an end and saved the killing. But what if is no good now.

    EG:

    This guy seems to pick on the coloured bloke because he is walking along with a white girl.
    Probably seen them together a few times, and saw the bike on the footpath as the excuse to have a go at him/them.
    The lad who knocked him out and killled him probably saved a massacre


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GcXBIOvXIg

    Did you really just condone the murder of a man?


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  • #61
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    As far as I understand it the OP opines that we have something to learn about whatever his pet peeves are from a killing thousand of miles away, and of a type which only happens in that particular culture. Loner with gun and manifesto on rampage.

    From that we learn to worry about Sinn Fein voters, world of war craft players, anybody who isn't Israel's greatest fan, and Irish Internet posters in general.

    Me, I'd worry about the guy who read this nutcase's manifesto.


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